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nxventures · 07-29-2003, 07:35 AM

I am starting it. What would it take for you to join? Brainstorming around a bit and here is what I have so far.

$2 per e-mail. No deductions. No consoles, ever. User isn't abused.
The ability to e-mail your users, weekly, with your own ref codes.
10% revenue of any webmaster who signs up under you.
Any user that doesn't sign up is cycled back to the sponsor of your choice.

Input? Ideas? Questions? Comments?

GeXus · 07-29-2003, 07:37 AM

That basically outlines every other run of the mill email prog.. pay 2$ per email at least

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by GeXus
That basically outlines every other run of the mill email prog.. pay 2$ per email at least

That was supposed to be on there... thanks for pointing it out

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Theo · 07-29-2003, 07:42 AM

$2 counting e-mails from how many countries?

zzgundamnzz · 07-29-2003, 07:49 AM

Text Only Confirmation Emails. Alot of the free email providers seem to throw html emails in the spam folder.

Unique Content: Hire a few models and design a free email mag/site around them. Will separate you from everyone else and keep conversions high.

aaron · 07-29-2003, 07:51 AM

im curious to know how you expect to make money paying out that much.. how much are you investing in to this?

edit: and whats your icq or icq me

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 07:52 AM

zzgundamzz - I have always done well with text confirmation, good suggestion. Also, the site is a full site, not your average free site. It has all the content of a paysite...

Soul_Rebel - Your basic blacklisted countries will be watched, but provided productivity is acceptable, all traffic would be accepted. PS- nice sig

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reynold · 07-29-2003, 07:54 AM

Let me know when you've set it up, I'll join!

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 07:55 AM

aaron - It isn't the standard e-mail program. Spamming paysites to users that want free stuff isn't exactly the best marketing technique. I don't use ICQ but feel free to e-mail me, [email protected].

What other features would you guys want?

aaron · 07-29-2003, 07:57 AM

sounds cool , what would be the optimal marketing technique for what you are tryin to do.. just out of curiosity.. im probably gonna have to join if this ever gets launched

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 08:03 AM

I've been testing it out for quite a while. Off a gallery describing the program it converts about 1:1 (after the "sponsor click") off exit it is about 1:5, and a link I bought off a TGP has done a solid 1:2. Today I am sending out an newsletter for another one of my sites that will contain a link. Will let you know how that does.

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 08:21 AM

What kind of payments? Check isn't a problem, but I have always preferred to be paid and to pay by paypal. The charges from most programs aren't paypal charges, they belong to the program... I'd cover the $1 deduction

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RRRED · 07-29-2003, 08:27 AM

Have you figured exactly how much money you need to make by depending on other programs? What are you gonna do when hotmail or aol blocks you?

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by RRRED
Have you figured exactly how much money you need to make by depending on other programs? What are you gonna do when hotmail or aol blocks you?

They won't. It isn't a spam program. Users will WANT any e-mails they get.

cezam · 07-29-2003, 08:37 AM

sounds interesting, let us know when it will be ready for us to join!

puresexnow · 07-29-2003, 08:42 AM

Have the email/password field on the 1st page the user sees.

I'm down when it gets up.

MagicksAntics · 07-29-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by nxventures

They won't. It isn't a spam program. Users will WANT any e-mails they get.

Do you have ANY idea what it takes to go through the entire process with each large ISP to prove you are not a spam operation, not to mention how long this process takes?

Good luck, hope it works out for ya.

nxventures · 07-29-2003, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MagicksAntics

Do you have ANY idea what it takes to go through the entire process with each large ISP to prove you are not a spam operation, not to mention how long this process takes?

Good luck, hope it works out for ya.

Thanks for the wish of luck. You don't seem to understand that the program will send very few e-mails to the users, and the actual e-mail address is not the source of revenue... that is why the payout is not conventional.

pimplink · 10-16-2003, 09:05 PM

any word if this program has been released yet?

p3rsian · 10-16-2003, 09:13 PM

yea im intreasted btw how much money are you investing in this ?

KaLi · 10-16-2003, 09:15 PM

Sounds like the basic outline for most programs excepts its $2. Could maybe be interesting

Persius · 10-16-2003, 09:18 PM

sounds interesting very good if its paypal payout :D

pimplink · 10-16-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by KaLi
Sounds like the basic outline for most programs excepts its $2. Could maybe be interesting

No consoles... many freemail progs beat the fuck out of the user with exits.

qwe · 10-16-2003, 10:49 PM

$2 per email, you will be broke after first month, trust me you will fail big time... but i wish you luck, as they say you don't know until you try ..

brizzad · 10-16-2003, 10:57 PM

Drop down to $1 an email.. and instead of letting webmasters email the users once a week, make it at least 5 times a week.

FabianC · 10-16-2003, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nxventures
I am starting it. What would it take for you to join? Brainstorming around a bit and here is what I have so far.

$2 per e-mail. No deductions. No consoles, ever. User isn't abused.

The ability to e-mail your users, weekly, with your own ref codes.

10% revenue of any webmaster who signs up under you.

Any user that doesn't sign up is cycled back to the sponsor of your choice.

Input? Ideas? Questions? Comments?

Ok, I'll bite. Have you ever ran an email program? Hit me up on ICQ & lets talk before you lose all your $

pimplink · 10-16-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by qwe
$2 per email, you will be broke after first month, trust me you will fail big time...

This conclusion assumes he is using a business model similar to existing $1 programs.

I think if his biz model converts upsells or other rev streams, he can very well do well with $2 payout.

Cash · 10-17-2003, 01:07 AM

nxventures, what you offer is great, but are you sure your business model is sustainable for you?

bigdog · 10-17-2003, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by FabianC

Ok, I'll bite. Have you ever ran an email program? Hit me up on ICQ & lets talk before you lose all your $

all he has to do is shave and he will be alright

pimplink · 10-17-2003, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by bigdog

all he has to do is shave and he will be alright

Fucked up..... but FUNNY!

strobi · 10-17-2003, 03:52 AM

make sure you got DEEP DEEP pockets... alot of affils will send you 1000 mails/day

bigdog · 10-17-2003, 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by MagicksAntics

Do you have ANY idea what it takes to go through the entire process with each large ISP to prove you are not a spam operation, not to mention how long this process takes?

Good luck, hope it works out for ya.

hey are you from insiteadult?

ok now i see why you can't pay webmasters on time you are too busy trying to get through filters set by the isp's and chatting with them on the phone

pimplink · 10-17-2003, 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by bigdog

hey are you from insiteadult?

ok now i see why you can't pay webmasters on time you are too busy trying to get through filters set by the isp's and chatting with them on the phone

LOL

pimplink · 10-17-2003, 06:33 AM

Seriously. People will just keep saying "Its impossible" until you find a way to do it and make it work. Then they will either try to get on the bandwagon and be your friend/copy your idea or say "Now why didn't I think of that?" Human nature. If you have a dream, follow it!

Many things (not all) are only impossible until you achieve them.

Best of luck to ya, nxventures!

calm · 10-17-2003, 06:46 AM

Actually, I've been running this myself with a few select partners, a few modifications, but overall everything's been working out rather well. Pimplink brought up something interesting about upsells...

I don't think it would work as a "program" though... if you can do decent volume signups though, feel free to e-mail me, maybe we can work something out.

FabianC · 10-17-2003, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by calm
Actually, I've been running this myself with a few select partners, a few modifications, but overall everything's been working out rather well. Pimplink brought up something interesting about upsells...

I don't think it would work as a "program" though... if you can do decent volume signups though, feel free to e-mail me, maybe we can work something out.

I think you hit the nail on the head by saying "with a few select partners" .. you open a program like this to the G.P. and all the scammers come out from under their rocks .. and they'll clean our your bank before you know what hit you.

BrentD · 10-17-2003, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nxventures
I am starting it. What would it take for you to join? Brainstorming around a bit and here is what I have so far.

$2 per e-mail. No deductions. No consoles, ever. User isn't abused.

The ability to e-mail your users, weekly, with your own ref codes.

10% revenue of any webmaster who signs up under you.

Any user that doesn't sign up is cycled back to the sponsor of your choice.

Input? Ideas? Questions? Comments?

Basically your talking about a safelist, there are scripts for running these types of sites on hotscripts.com.

bigdog · 10-17-2003, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by FabianC

I think you hit the nail on the head by saying "with a few select partners" .. you open a program like this to the G.P. and all the scammers come out from under their rocks .. and they'll clean our your bank before you know what hit you.

yeah very true.You would need a person looking for fraud all day for a email program

qwe · 10-17-2003, 09:48 AM

here's why it's impossible until you shave to the death...

someone sends you 1000 signups so that's $2000 you have to payout.. the LOWEST you will convert with those emails is 1:50 (assuming you will get through all the filters, but I doubt it), so that's 20 signups, 20 signups @ lets say $40 is $800... now your net will be $2000-$800= - $1200 . I understand you can pull little tricks to pull another $800 from there but you still in minus. Also please don't tell me that you can make over $2000 from 1000 opt-in emails, it simply impossible. I believe you will not make it even with $1 per signup unless you got some major bling to invest.

pimplink · 10-17-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by qwe
here's why it's impossible until you shave to the death...

someone sends you 1000 signups so that's $2000 you have to payout.. the LOWEST you will convert with those emails is 1:50 (assuming you will get through all the filters, but I doubt it), so that's 20 signups, 20 signups @ lets say $40 is $800... now your net will be $2000-$800= - $1200 . I understand you can pull little tricks to pull another $800 from there but you still in minus. Also please don't tell me that you can make over $2000 from 1000 opt-in emails, it simply impossible.

would the same analysis apply to other email progs?

qwe · 10-17-2003, 09:57 AM

other progs know exactly what they doing, and backed up by good money along with good balancing scripts when to count it and when to not... i'm not here to argue with anyone, i'm telling u reality.

4Pics · 10-17-2003, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by qwe
here's why it's impossible until you shave to the death...

someone sends you 1000 signups so that's $2000 you have to payout.. the LOWEST you will convert with those emails is 1:50 (assuming you will get through all the filters, but I doubt it), so that's 20 signups, 20 signups @ lets say $40 is $800... now your net will be $2000-$800= - $1200 . I understand you can pull little tricks to pull another $800 from there but you still in minus. Also please don't tell me that you can make over $2000 from 1000 opt-in emails, it simply impossible. I believe you will not make it even with $1 per signup unless you got some major bling to invest.

If you pay every 2 weeks and mail checks 1 week after pay period (avg mailtime of 2-3days) means you almost pay monthly.

You get to email the list everyday with different paysites so maybe they join this $40 and that $20 and this or that $1-2 program.

Then you aren't counting any exit console or inside site revenue that could be made?

qwe · 10-17-2003, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4Pics

If you pay every 2 weeks and mail checks 1 week after pay period (avg mailtime of 2-3days) means you almost pay monthly.

You get to email the list everyday with different paysites so maybe they join this $40 and that $20 and this or that $1-2 program.

Then you aren't counting any exit console or inside site revenue that could be made?

it doesn't go like that, they will not join this and that and then another thing. they will join once on average, the reason you mail second, third time is that they didn't make up their my on the first or second mailing.. the more you mail the more complains you will get even with optins, and to be able to hold complains you need to pay your hosting, no one will do it for free unless he's an idiot. also exit consoles will bring around $50 for every 1000 people which is pretty much a pocket change and doesn't play a MAJOR role in pulling money.

Caspah · 10-17-2003, 10:30 AM

upon the signup, only have them enter a UserName...E-mail them the PW because alot of people (nubs) think you want their pw to their email and this confuses them. You will get more action doing it the other way. $2 an email - 10% referal, count me in but will you be able to afford to pay me? good luck, let us know when u release it.

ravo · 10-17-2003, 12:57 PM

I've seen a peek at nxventures site, and I think what he's talking about is do-able. It's very targeted, and not like your traditional email program site.

Good luck to you on it, and let me know when you're ready to go. I know I'll be trying it out!

calm · 10-17-2003, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ravo
I've seen a peek at nxventures site, and I think what he's talking about is do-able. It's very targeted, and not like your traditional email program site.

Good luck to you on it, and let me know when you're ready to go. I know I'll be trying it out!

You saw the beta, e-mail me and I'll show you all the new stuff, very cool.

bigdog · 10-18-2003, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by qwe
here's why it's impossible until you shave to the death...

someone sends you 1000 signups so that's $2000 you have to payout.. the LOWEST you will convert with those emails is 1:50 (assuming you will get through all the filters, but I doubt it), so that's 20 signups, 20 signups @ lets say $40 is $800... now your net will be $2000-$800= - $1200 . I understand you can pull little tricks to pull another $800 from there but you still in minus. Also please don't tell me that you can make over $2000 from 1000 opt-in emails, it simply impossible. I believe you will not make it even with $1 per signup unless you got some major bling to invest.

2.00 a email is a lot to be paying unless you plan on shaving and especially if you open your program to all webmasters you are just going to ask for cheaters

07-29-2003, 07:35 AM	#1
nxventures Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 574	Best e-mail program... I am starting it. What would it take for you to join? Brainstorming around a bit and here is what I have so far. $2 per e-mail. No deductions. No consoles, ever. User isn't abused. The ability to e-mail your users, weekly, with your own ref codes. 10% revenue of any webmaster who signs up under you. Any user that doesn't sign up is cycled back to the sponsor of your choice. Input? Ideas? Questions? Comments? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by nxventures; 07-29-2003 at 07:40 AM..

07-29-2003, 07:37 AM	#2
GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	That basically outlines every other run of the mill email prog.. pay 2$ per email at least __________________

07-29-2003, 07:49 AM	#5
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	Text Only Confirmation Emails. Alot of the free email providers seem to throw html emails in the spam folder. Unique Content: Hire a few models and design a free email mag/site around them. Will separate you from everyone else and keep conversions high. __________________

07-29-2003, 07:52 AM	#7
nxventures Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 574	zzgundamzz - I have always done well with text confirmation, good suggestion. Also, the site is a full site, not your average free site. It has all the content of a paysite... Soul_Rebel - Your basic blacklisted countries will be watched, but provided productivity is acceptable, all traffic would be accepted. PS- nice sig . __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-29-2003, 07:55 AM	#9
nxventures Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 574	aaron - It isn't the standard e-mail program. Spamming paysites to users that want free stuff isn't exactly the best marketing technique. I don't use ICQ but feel free to e-mail me, [email protected]. What other features would you guys want? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-29-2003, 07:42 AM	#4
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	$2 counting e-mails from how many countries?

07-29-2003, 07:51 AM	#6
aaron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 4,452	im curious to know how you expect to make money paying out that much.. how much are you investing in to this? edit: and whats your icq or icq me

07-29-2003, 07:54 AM	#8
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Let me know when you've set it up, I'll join!

07-29-2003, 07:57 AM	#10
aaron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 4,452	sounds cool , what would be the optimal marketing technique for what you are tryin to do.. just out of curiosity.. im probably gonna have to join if this ever gets launched

07-29-2003, 08:03 AM	#11
nxventures Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 574	I've been testing it out for quite a while. Off a gallery describing the program it converts about 1:1 (after the "sponsor click") off exit it is about 1:5, and a link I bought off a TGP has done a solid 1:2. Today I am sending out an newsletter for another one of my sites that will contain a link. Will let you know how that does. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-29-2003, 08:21 AM	#12
nxventures Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 574	What kind of payments? Check isn't a problem, but I have always preferred to be paid and to pay by paypal. The charges from most programs aren't paypal charges, they belong to the program... I'd cover the $1 deduction . __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-29-2003, 08:27 AM	#13
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Have you figured exactly how much money you need to make by depending on other programs? What are you gonna do when hotmail or aol blocks you?

07-29-2003, 08:37 AM	#15
cezam Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CZ, EU Posts: 1,363	sounds interesting, let us know when it will be ready for us to join! __________________

07-29-2003, 08:42 AM	#16
puresexnow Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 300	Have the email/password field on the 1st page the user sees. I'm down when it gets up.

10-16-2003, 09:05 PM	#19
pimplink Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Closer than you think Posts: 9,535	any word if this program has been released yet? __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

10-16-2003, 09:13 PM	#20
p3rsian Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,050	yea im intreasted btw how much money are you investing in this ?

10-16-2003, 09:15 PM	#21
KaLi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lomita, CA Posts: 4,371	Sounds like the basic outline for most programs excepts its $2. Could maybe be interesting __________________ icq:160-417-630

10-16-2003, 09:18 PM	#22
Persius Tap into MOBILE! Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hollywood Posts: 11,779	sounds interesting very good if its paypal payout :D

10-16-2003, 10:49 PM	#24
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	$2 per email, you will be broke after first month, trust me you will fail big time... but i wish you luck, as they say you don't know until you try ..

10-16-2003, 10:57 PM	#25
brizzad holla Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KFC Posts: 11,769	Drop down to $1 an email.. and instead of letting webmasters email the users once a week, make it at least 5 times a week.

10-17-2003, 01:07 AM	#28
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10-17-2003, 03:52 AM	#31
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	make sure you got DEEP DEEP pockets... alot of affils will send you 1000 mails/day

10-17-2003, 06:33 AM	#34
pimplink Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Closer than you think Posts: 9,535	Seriously. People will just keep saying "Its impossible" until you find a way to do it and make it work. Then they will either try to get on the bandwagon and be your friend/copy your idea or say "Now why didn't I think of that?" Human nature. If you have a dream, follow it! Many things (not all) are only impossible until you achieve them. Best of luck to ya, nxventures! __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

10-17-2003, 06:46 AM	#35
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10-17-2003, 09:48 AM	#39
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	here's why it's impossible until you shave to the death... someone sends you 1000 signups so that's $2000 you have to payout.. the LOWEST you will convert with those emails is 1:50 (assuming you will get through all the filters, but I doubt it), so that's 20 signups, 20 signups @ lets say $40 is $800... now your net will be $2000-$800= - $1200 . I understand you can pull little tricks to pull another $800 from there but you still in minus. Also please don't tell me that you can make over $2000 from 1000 opt-in emails, it simply impossible. I believe you will not make it even with $1 per signup unless you got some major bling to invest. Last edited by qwe; 10-17-2003 at 09:50 AM..

10-17-2003, 09:57 AM	#41
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	other progs know exactly what they doing, and backed up by good money along with good balancing scripts when to count it and when to not... i'm not here to argue with anyone, i'm telling u reality.

10-17-2003, 10:30 AM	#44
Caspah Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 251	upon the signup, only have them enter a UserName...E-mail them the PW because alot of people (nubs) think you want their pw to their email and this confuses them. You will get more action doing it the other way. $2 an email - 10% referal, count me in but will you be able to afford to pay me? good luck, let us know when u release it. __________________ FreeTicketCash - Everyone likes to signup for a free ticket, wide variety of free e-mail sites! DatingGold - 1$ per email dating site, also per signup.

10-17-2003, 12:57 PM	#45
ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,444	I've seen a peek at nxventures site, and I think what he's talking about is do-able. It's very targeted, and not like your traditional email program site. Good luck to you on it, and let me know when you're ready to go. I know I'll be trying it out! __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated Sept 2025