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detoxed · 07-26-2003, 12:45 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...531731,00.html

Public still pillories those who report sexual assault
By Diane Carman, Denver Post Columnist

For me, the turning point came when I heard that Kobe Bryant's accuser had to sneak out of her house to go to a movie.

After days of watching her friends on TV talking about her character, her intimate relationships, her drug overdose, her physical injuries and the threats she's received, the young woman had to resort to Saddam Hussein-style subterfuge to leave the house for a couple of hours.

Her life is a wreck. And she's 19.

I don't know if I could do it, I told Kathie Kramer, spokeswoman for the Rape Assistance and Awareness Program of Denver. I think I might just mortgage my house and submit to years of counseling rather than report the crime.

And if my daughter was the rape victim, the decision would be even harder.

After this episode, the already dismal statistics for reporting sexual assaults are likely to take a hard fall. Most rape victims will recoil from the prospect of their lives being laid bare by the voracious media.

The message to victims comes through every day in the salacious reporting about Bryant's accuser: If you don't want this to happen to you, shut up and take it.

While we all must wait for a trial to learn of Bryant's guilt or innocence, at least on this point, the verdict is irrelevant. The damage is done.

Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter said he "absolutely" believes what's happened to Bryant's accuser will discourage reporting of sexual assaults.

"Trauma is too much of a euphemism to adequately describe what a sexual assault victim experiences in the criminal justice system," he said.

The shame, the ridicule, the sense of being violated are devastating.

"This case is every victim's worst nightmare," said Kramer. "On her own the typical victim is already doubting herself, questioning herself and blaming herself. She's thinking, 'If only I hadn't done that or gone there.' Then to have the public do the same thing is very disheartening and frightening."

Ritter said the speculation about the woman is "absolutely outrageous."

"There are so many myths that surround acquaintance sexual assault being put out there, some of them even by ex-prosecutors," he said. One involves the significance of the 12-hour delay between the time of the incident and the accuser's call to police.

"To say a true rape victim picks up the phone and calls immediately, that they know when they've been raped, that is just crazy," Ritter said.

Far more common, Ritter said, are the victims who hesitate. "They have a great deal of angst over whether they want to go forward at all."

Most victims never report the crime.

A study by the National Victims Center in 1992 estimated that only 16 percent of sexual assaults are reported. The U.S. Department of Justice estimates the reporting rate among adult rape victims is 39 percent.

After 30 years of legal reforms and efforts to educate the public, Ritter and Kramer said the stigma for victims is still overwhelming.

"You hear people all the time saying, 'I wonder what she did to deserve that,"' Kramer said. And in a case where the accused is a celebrity, the speculation is even more cynical. Often people suggest the accuser is merely looking for a big financial settlement.

Ritter said that scenario is remote.

First, prosecutors are not about to file frivolous charges against celebrities to help someone score a financial settlement.

"We evaluate the physical evidence, the victim's statements, what the accused says about the event and the credibility of the persons involved," Ritter said. If prosecutors don't believe they can persuade a jury beyond reasonable doubt, they don't proceed.

And given what accusers must endure, few would find such a settlement worth it, he said. "To say that someone makes the accusation because she's a gold digger flies in the face of the sex-assault victim's experience in the criminal justice system. It's a very difficult experience."

But the gold-digger theory and the attempts by the media to unearth any personal information that could be construed to support it inevitably will silence other victims.

It's unfortunate, because for those who do report sexual assaults, Kramer said, there is such a sense of empowerment.

Reporting can help a rape victim feel safer, provide access to counseling and support, and enable her to confront the accused in a setting where this time she is in control.

Kramer encourages all victims to report sexual assaults. It's so important, she said.

But then I asked her: If it was your 19-year-old daughter who came home and told you it happened with Bryant, what would you do?

There was a long pause.

"It's a hard question to answer," she said. "I would like to think I'd encourage her to move forward in the process. I'd like to think we'd be strong.

"But, honestly, I don't know."

asneed · 07-26-2003, 12:46 PM

eroswebmaster · 07-26-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by asneed
sad

sadder even there are some on this board who help to perpetuate it.

if the girl lied I think she deserves to serve any jail time that the accused faced, but damn let the judicial system take it's course.

Bryant is innocent until proven guilty, I think the least we could do is afford potential victims that same right.

TDF · 07-26-2003, 12:56 PM

the fact remains there is no legal recourse for accusers and some sexual assault charges are baseless..there needs to be stiff jailtime for people who make false accusations

rooster · 07-26-2003, 12:59 PM

I think alot of it are the LA fans that are making this girls life a hell, posting personal info and stuff. Not very classy people.

Kobe fucked up, not the girl. Even if shes completely making it up, Kobe already addmited he fucked her.

detoxed · 07-26-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
the fact remains there is no legal recourse for accusers and some sexual assault charges are baseless..there needs to be stiff jailtime for people who make false accusations

perjury

BigFish · 07-26-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
I think alot of it are the LA fans that are making this girls life a hell, posting personal info and stuff. Not very classy people.

Kobe fucked up, not the girl. Even if shes completely making it up, Kobe already addmited he fucked her.

Takes two people to fuck. Adultery is not against the law, rape and falsely reporting rape is. If she was completly making it up, then Kobe did not break the law, she did.

hottoddy · 07-26-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
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Kobe case will cause less sexual assaults to be reported
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Perhaps, but only sexual assault claims against huge sports stars and the like.

There is a very specific set of facts here, and I think it's a stretch for people to claim it would apply across the board. There would be no interest if this claim was made against Joe Schmoe, and it would be highly unlikely that the accuser's personal information would ever get posted.

detoxed · 07-26-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by hottoddy

Perhaps, but only sexual assault claims against huge sports stars and the like.

There is a very specific set of facts here, and I think it's a stretch for people to claim it would apply across the board. There would be no interest if this claim was made against Joe Schmoe, and it would be highly unlikely that the accuser's personal information would ever get posted.

Wrong, imagine if you were in high school and an unpopular kid accused the most popular kid of rape.. she wouldnt have a chance. She'd have to switch schools and more.

detoxed · 07-26-2003, 01:29 PM

hottoddy · 07-26-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Wrong, imagine if you were in high school and an unpopular kid accused the most popular kid of rape.. she wouldnt have a chance. She'd have to switch schools and more.

That's always been true.

TDF · 07-26-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

perjury

how often and how strict is the punishment for this? its hardly a slap on the hand yet alone the wrost...is ay there should be a reverse sentence, i bet women would think twice about whoring around and blaming someone for their fuckups

detoxed · 07-26-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by hottoddy

That's always been true.

Yeah but when young girls see publicly how rape victims are treated, is that gonna help?

07-26-2003, 12:45 PM	#1
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Kobe case will cause less sexual assaults to be reported http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...531731,00.html Public still pillories those who report sexual assault By Diane Carman, Denver Post Columnist For me, the turning point came when I heard that Kobe Bryant's accuser had to sneak out of her house to go to a movie. After days of watching her friends on TV talking about her character, her intimate relationships, her drug overdose, her physical injuries and the threats she's received, the young woman had to resort to Saddam Hussein-style subterfuge to leave the house for a couple of hours. Her life is a wreck. And she's 19. I don't know if I could do it, I told Kathie Kramer, spokeswoman for the Rape Assistance and Awareness Program of Denver. I think I might just mortgage my house and submit to years of counseling rather than report the crime. And if my daughter was the rape victim, the decision would be even harder. After this episode, the already dismal statistics for reporting sexual assaults are likely to take a hard fall. Most rape victims will recoil from the prospect of their lives being laid bare by the voracious media. The message to victims comes through every day in the salacious reporting about Bryant's accuser: If you don't want this to happen to you, shut up and take it. While we all must wait for a trial to learn of Bryant's guilt or innocence, at least on this point, the verdict is irrelevant. The damage is done. Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter said he "absolutely" believes what's happened to Bryant's accuser will discourage reporting of sexual assaults. "Trauma is too much of a euphemism to adequately describe what a sexual assault victim experiences in the criminal justice system," he said. The shame, the ridicule, the sense of being violated are devastating. "This case is every victim's worst nightmare," said Kramer. "On her own the typical victim is already doubting herself, questioning herself and blaming herself. She's thinking, 'If only I hadn't done that or gone there.' Then to have the public do the same thing is very disheartening and frightening." Ritter said the speculation about the woman is "absolutely outrageous." "There are so many myths that surround acquaintance sexual assault being put out there, some of them even by ex-prosecutors," he said. One involves the significance of the 12-hour delay between the time of the incident and the accuser's call to police. "To say a true rape victim picks up the phone and calls immediately, that they know when they've been raped, that is just crazy," Ritter said. Far more common, Ritter said, are the victims who hesitate. "They have a great deal of angst over whether they want to go forward at all." Most victims never report the crime. A study by the National Victims Center in 1992 estimated that only 16 percent of sexual assaults are reported. The U.S. Department of Justice estimates the reporting rate among adult rape victims is 39 percent. After 30 years of legal reforms and efforts to educate the public, Ritter and Kramer said the stigma for victims is still overwhelming. "You hear people all the time saying, 'I wonder what she did to deserve that,"' Kramer said. And in a case where the accused is a celebrity, the speculation is even more cynical. Often people suggest the accuser is merely looking for a big financial settlement. Ritter said that scenario is remote. First, prosecutors are not about to file frivolous charges against celebrities to help someone score a financial settlement. "We evaluate the physical evidence, the victim's statements, what the accused says about the event and the credibility of the persons involved," Ritter said. If prosecutors don't believe they can persuade a jury beyond reasonable doubt, they don't proceed. And given what accusers must endure, few would find such a settlement worth it, he said. "To say that someone makes the accusation because she's a gold digger flies in the face of the sex-assault victim's experience in the criminal justice system. It's a very difficult experience." But the gold-digger theory and the attempts by the media to unearth any personal information that could be construed to support it inevitably will silence other victims. It's unfortunate, because for those who do report sexual assaults, Kramer said, there is such a sense of empowerment. Reporting can help a rape victim feel safer, provide access to counseling and support, and enable her to confront the accused in a setting where this time she is in control. Kramer encourages all victims to report sexual assaults. It's so important, she said. But then I asked her: If it was your 19-year-old daughter who came home and told you it happened with Bryant, what would you do? There was a long pause. "It's a hard question to answer," she said. "I would like to think I'd encourage her to move forward in the process. I'd like to think we'd be strong. "But, honestly, I don't know."

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rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	I think alot of it are the LA fans that are making this girls life a hell, posting personal info and stuff. Not very classy people. Kobe fucked up, not the girl. Even if shes completely making it up, Kobe already addmited he fucked her.

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