Doubts about adultfriendfinder,alt.com, ..: using dirty tricks? - GoFuckYourself.com

curiousdog · 07-16-2003, 03:04 PM

I am interested in various friendfinder sites.

alt.com filipinofriendfinder.com germanfriendfinder.com adultfriendfinder.com etc.

From what I understand, I have to sign up for each of these sites. If I want to sign up webmasters under me, I have to ADDITIONALLY sign up as a broker for these sites.

So I have to spend an entire afternoon to sign up 10 times.
Then I have to check 10 site statistics (5 broker and 5 original accounts). Then I have to verify 10 site statistics, qualify for the minimum check on 10 different accounts, etc.

Finally, when a person goes with my link to, say, alt.com, and from there to another friendfinder site, it will NOT use my affiliate id when that person decides to sign up for germanfriendfinder.com

Also, if a webmaster signs up from an affiliate site, using anything other then a specific broker affiliate link, then all this is also lost.

I did a search on the word friendfinder, most of these facts were confirmed by other members here, but strangely, nobody got excited or worried about this.

If they were really honest, they would make one signup for all the different friendfinders, no differentiation between broker and affiliates, and would preserve the affiliate id of people who switch between different friendfinders.

I also wonder: if a person does a free signup, and later on decides to pay, who gets the commission:
a) the person who gave the lead to the free signup
b) the person who gave a later lead that lead to the paid signup
c) none of the above

Actually, I also don't understand why they keep separate databases for the different friendfinders.

A german who looks for some exotic perversion, could advertise in germanfriendfinder, alt.com, adultfriendfinder. I don't understand why they don't tap into each other's databases.

KidCock · 07-16-2003, 03:15 PM

Well if you want a program for Adult Dating where all the different clubs are in one and you get credit for everything, ICQ/email me ;p

vapewiz · 07-16-2003, 03:19 PM

They have always sent me my checks on time and have made me more money then any other dating sites i've tried... If your to lazy to sign up for their different sites to make money that's your problem.

completetosser · 07-16-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by curiousdog
I am interested in various friendfinder sites.

Finally, when a person goes with my link to, say, alt.com, and from there to another friendfinder site, it will NOT use my affiliate id when that person decides to sign up for germanfriendfinder.com

Not necessarily true - you can easily set it up so it does. It's in the affiliate area - under hints and tips I think

Quote:

If they were really honest,

Wtf - AFF is totally honest, doesn't screw you and always pays on time

Quote:

I also wonder: if a person does a free signup, and later on decides to pay, who gets the commission:
a) the person who gave the lead to the free signup
b) the person who gave a later lead that lead to the paid signup
c) none of the above
[/B]

It's a)

49thParallel · 07-16-2003, 04:47 PM

I use the AFF programs religiously and can honestly say that they are my #1 program.

Here's why: Every day I get commissions on $149 yearly memberships, $119 6 month memberships and a whole lot more. A lot of other sponsors out there either don't count sign-ups at all or would claim that the sign-ups were only for a month. I am confident the AFF honestly pays for every single sign-up.

49thParallel · 07-16-2003, 04:52 PM

P.S. They pay the affiliate that originally generated the free sign-up. I use a number of tracking url's and often am credited for sign-ups from weeks and even months prior.

DatingGold · 07-16-2003, 04:52 PM

Hopefully they would give you credit no matter what link you used. But maybe they can best shed some light on it.

In regards to who gets credit for a converted lead, it should be whoever referred the lead for life. Anyone know for sure?

I can answer any questions you have about our program if you are interested.

completetosser · 07-16-2003, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatingGold

In regards to who gets credit for a converted lead, it should be whoever referred the lead for life. Anyone know for sure?

I've already answered this a couple of posts up

Once someone signs up for a free membership, they are 'yours' until they either convert to a paid membership or fall off the face of the planet

Theo · 07-16-2003, 05:13 PM

"dirty tricks"

what dirty tricks,this is business and the affiliate owner decides for what he is going to give you credit. His program, his rules. With your kind of logic all programs use dirty tricks

curiousdog · 07-17-2003, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
"dirty tricks"

what dirty tricks,this is business and the affiliate owner decides for what he is going to give you credit. His program, his rules. With your kind of logic all programs use dirty tricks

I think a perfectly clean way would be:

if I send them traffic, they credit me if people sign up for any one of their programs, including downline webmasters.

This is not the case, at least not for the simple minded user. do a search for friendfinder. There was one gofuckyourselfer that posted a adultfriendfinder link for others to sign up with, blissfully unaware that he would get no commission because he did not give a "broker" link. Call this at least complicating and misleading.

Another post commented that his affiliate ID was NOT on the links to other friendfinder programs, rather other affiliate ids showed up there.

If its tru what has been said before, if this can be achieved at least by signing up for 10 programs and meddling with the affiliate settings, it still looks quite messy

Originally posted by curiousdog
-------------------
I am interested in various friendfinder sites.

Finally, when a person goes with my link to, say, alt.com, and from there to another friendfinder site, it will NOT use my affiliate id when that person decides to sign up for germanfriendfinder.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Completetosser replied

---------------
Not necessarily true - you can easily set it up so it does. It's in the affiliate area - under hints and tips I think
-------------------------

Completetosser:
do you have proof? can you show your friendfinder website where all links point to your own affiliate or broker accounts?

-------------------
I think we have a friendfinder executive here. can he comment?

TheProfessor
I scan my content from Penthouse

Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Bay Area, California
Posts: 39

Thanks for the kudos - and traffic!

__________________
CEO, Friend Finder

The company you can trust for the highest personals payout -
AdultFriendFinder.com (up to $82/order or 85cents/uni),
ALT.com(up to $75/order or 85 cents/uni),
OutPersonals.com (up to $60/order or 85 cents/uni),
Friend Finder (up to $2/free member,100% cut), Amigos.com, and more!.

Make money from chinese, indian, filipino,
and korean traffic (no dialer or CCs needed!)

-----------------------------
-----------------------------

I did a test. I used one of TheProfessor's signup links to one friendfinder, then moved forward to sign up as broker for another friendfinder.

To say the least, I could not find his affilate ID on that second signup. While it is possible that the ID is somewhere hidden. Definitely it is not showing up in a transparent way!!

I clicked on this link
http://outpersonals.com/go/b10661

then on broker programs
then on broker adultfriendfinder

http://adultfriendfinder.com/cgi-bin..._broker_signup

his direct signup link for adultfriendfinder broker account is
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/b64839

At least, it is not transparent that this adultfriendfinder signup will be credited to him. It would require a messy trial signup to verify that. It would be comforting for a webmaster if he would recognize his own affiliate ID.

I still wonder for what reason they require so many different signups. I still suspect it is exactly for that reason, so that diverted signups for other friendfinders will NOT get credited to the original webmaster who originally sent the customer.

DatingGold · 07-17-2003, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by curiousdog

I still wonder for what reason they require so many different signups. I still suspect it is exactly for that reason, so that diverted signups for other friendfinders will NOT get credited to the original webmaster who originally sent the customer.

hmm that's not cool, I never knew that..

Snake Doctor · 07-17-2003, 01:55 AM

Are people really falling for this bullshit attempt at spam?

DatingGold · 07-17-2003, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
Are people really falling for this bullshit attempt at spam?

good point only two posts on his profile.. I never caught that

curiousdog · 07-17-2003, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
Are people really falling for this bullshit attempt at spam?

*1) Please if you make attacks, can you substantiate them? what am I spamming for?

*2) also, whoever is the funny guy who gave me this nice title "I am probably spamming", can you please remove this? Is any admin doing this? or is this board being hacked????

curiousdog
I am probably spamming

Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Rio de Janeiro,Los Angeles
Posts: 2

*3) this "spam" accusation almost looks like an attempt by adultfriendfinder to distract from the substance of my post, which, if true, is very embarrassing. So can you please judge by the substance of my post and not get distracted by ????

*4) Actually, I was going to post a counterexample of an affiliate program that allows customers to sign up for dozens of companies. That one maintains your affiliate id wherever you go, right square in the url. No way how your affiliate id can get lost. Now I am worried that this will be used as an excuse to label my post spam. What should I do? post it on a separate post, if an admin considers it spam, then he can delete it?

As I said, I don't want to give an excuse to distract from the substance of this thread, so I wait for advice before posting that example. >>

adultfriendfinder seems to divert your customers

*5) The reason why I ask is: I want to sign up for the friendfinder family, my traffic is such that people will be interested in diverse programs from the friendfinder family, and I am worried about losing large part of my traffic to this diversionary tactic. Ok, I am also lazy to sign up for 10 programs. And I am also thinking how to COUNTERACT THAT DIVERSION. Maybe I have to put them into a frame, if they let me do that.

KRL · 07-17-2003, 03:44 AM

Every program has their own ways of structuring their offerings.

Mr.Fiction · 07-17-2003, 04:18 AM

Friendfinder is not a scam.

Send traffic to them and then to a few other personals sites - you'll see who makes you the most money real fast.

completetosser · 07-17-2003, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Friendfinder is not a scam.

Send traffic to them and then to a few other personals sites - you'll see who makes you the most money real fast.

Precisely

curiousdog · 07-17-2003, 10:56 AM

From what I see at the moment, the situation is as follows.

adultfriendfinder is a good company, that converts well and gives money, in spite of some apparent problems with lost commissions

webmasters would be making even more money, if it were not for various suprises like

a) the unsuspecting webmaster sends traffic for adultfriendfinder.com, but the client signs up for adult.com, germanfriendfinder.com or another program. Poor webmaster has no clue he lost that commission due to the somewhat strange setup of friendfinder's commission program (it seems to me that this is not "informed consent", most webmasters seem to be unaware of these lost commissions)

b) the unsuspecting webmaster sends traffic for adultfriendfinder.com. This client is a webmaster who signs up as a webmaster for adultfriendfinder.com. Tough luck, he did not come via the "broker" link for adultfriendfinder.com, so another lost commission.

c) finally, he sends a webmaster through his broker link for adultfriendfinder.com. Hooray!! a webmaster override commission!! The webmaster signs up not only for adultfriendfinder, but also for alt.com. Another lost commission.

d) but thank god, sometimes traffic comes in as traffic for adultfriendfinder.com, and actually signs up for adultfriendfinder.com. A real commission!! And adultfriendfinder converts so well, that webmasters like it, still make good money in spite of the lost commissions, as demonstrated in a-c above.

Maybe, for the really well informed webmaster, there is a possibility to tweak the settings in half a dozen webmaster areas for the various friendfinder programs, so these losses can be avoided.

I am waiting for the positive confirmation, or maybe I will have to check that out myself, if there is a way around.

Xenophage · 07-17-2003, 10:58 AM

Doubt ?

Nope no doubt best converting adul sites there are, and longest running adult personal sites, that I know of. The Professor runs a tight ship ! Good as Gold !

completetosser · 07-17-2003, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by curiousdog

a) the unsuspecting webmaster sends traffic for adultfriendfinder.com, but the client signs up for adult.com, germanfriendfinder.com or another program.

Adult.com ??? Don't know where you got that one from.

Incidentally, in the time it 's taking you to write these diatribes, some people are actually making sales from AFF....................

SleazyDream · 07-17-2003, 11:29 AM

ok, let me put it this way. If AFF is cheating on their stats who cares. THEY blow away EVERY other program out there. not by a little bit, but by a LOT. many many times better.

and I don't believe for a second that they cheat.

curiousdog · 07-17-2003, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by completetosser

Adult.com ??? Don't know where you got that one from.

sorry, if I said adult.com, I meant alt.com, germanfriendfinder.com, etc. The other programs that are run by adultfinder.com

---------------
I understand that adultfriendfinder.com is a good program, even if some traffic gets lost, it still gives good income.

Still, I would like to find a way how to send traffic to all of the following without losing part of my traffic:

adultfriendfinder.com, alt.com, germanfriendfinder.com, plus getting override for webmasters

Carrie · 07-17-2003, 02:14 PM

Btw, the "probably a spammer" thing is just a tag put on there by the board. As you move up with different amounts of posts you'll get different 'titles'. Once you get 1,000 posts you can set your own title.

wimpy · 07-17-2003, 07:49 PM

One reason AFF, etc, is so fucked up is that they bought alt.com. Alt has their own system and they never integrated the two systems. Good reason, but it still sucks.

49thParallel · 07-17-2003, 08:28 PM

It's actually quite easy to get credited for all of the different AFF programs, and still get paid for your main affiliate account. No need to check multiple stats or worry about meeting the minimum on each program.

Full details can be found here: (Sorry, the url is to long to paste)

Go to your stats login page. Look for Hints & Tips. It tells you how to merge everything under one account. And it works with ALT.com as well.

TheProfessor · 07-25-2003, 10:12 AM

Each of the sites in the Friend Finder
network is independent. We have made
some recent changes to let you setup
cross links to the other sites. We have
found that these cross links account for
about 1% additional revenue. When
you promote any one of the sites, people
tend to join the one you send to. It is
better, however, to have links to several
of the sites that you feel your traffic will
convert on your pages. People will tend
to pick the one site that they want prior
to clicking. Email me at [email protected]
if you have more questions. You can also
email [email protected] as she
handles most affiliate questions.

Thanks!

SleazyDream · 07-25-2003, 10:20 AM

aff is more solid than any other adult company online that i know of

07-16-2003, 04:52 PM	#7
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	Hopefully they would give you credit no matter what link you used. But maybe they can best shed some light on it. In regards to who gets credit for a converted lead, it should be whoever referred the lead for life. Anyone know for sure? I can answer any questions you have about our program if you are interested. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

07-17-2003, 01:55 AM	#12
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Are people really falling for this bullshit attempt at spam? __________________ sig too big

07-17-2003, 03:44 AM	#15
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Every program has their own ways of structuring their offerings. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

07-17-2003, 04:18 AM	#16
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Friendfinder is not a scam. Send traffic to them and then to a few other personals sites - you'll see who makes you the most money real fast. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

07-17-2003, 11:29 AM	#21
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	ok, let me put it this way. If AFF is cheating on their stats who cares. THEY blow away EVERY other program out there. not by a little bit, but by a LOT. many many times better. and I don't believe for a second that they cheat. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

07-16-2003, 03:04 PM	#1
curiousdog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	Doubts about adultfriendfinder,alt.com, ..: using dirty tricks? I am interested in various friendfinder sites. alt.com filipinofriendfinder.com germanfriendfinder.com adultfriendfinder.com etc. From what I understand, I have to sign up for each of these sites. If I want to sign up webmasters under me, I have to ADDITIONALLY sign up as a broker for these sites. So I have to spend an entire afternoon to sign up 10 times. Then I have to check 10 site statistics (5 broker and 5 original accounts). Then I have to verify 10 site statistics, qualify for the minimum check on 10 different accounts, etc. Finally, when a person goes with my link to, say, alt.com, and from there to another friendfinder site, it will NOT use my affiliate id when that person decides to sign up for germanfriendfinder.com Also, if a webmaster signs up from an affiliate site, using anything other then a specific broker affiliate link, then all this is also lost. I did a search on the word friendfinder, most of these facts were confirmed by other members here, but strangely, nobody got excited or worried about this. If they were really honest, they would make one signup for all the different friendfinders, no differentiation between broker and affiliates, and would preserve the affiliate id of people who switch between different friendfinders. I also wonder: if a person does a free signup, and later on decides to pay, who gets the commission: a) the person who gave the lead to the free signup b) the person who gave a later lead that lead to the paid signup c) none of the above Actually, I also don't understand why they keep separate databases for the different friendfinders. A german who looks for some exotic perversion, could advertise in germanfriendfinder, alt.com, adultfriendfinder. I don't understand why they don't tap into each other's databases.

07-16-2003, 03:15 PM	#2
KidCock So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Pedro, Costa Rica Posts: 788	Well if you want a program for Adult Dating where all the different clubs are in one and you get credit for everything, ICQ/email me ;p

07-16-2003, 03:19 PM	#3
vapewiz Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,530	They have always sent me my checks on time and have made me more money then any other dating sites i've tried... If your to lazy to sign up for their different sites to make money that's your problem.

07-16-2003, 04:47 PM	#5
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	I use the AFF programs religiously and can honestly say that they are my #1 program. Here's why: Every day I get commissions on $149 yearly memberships, $119 6 month memberships and a whole lot more. A lot of other sponsors out there either don't count sign-ups at all or would claim that the sign-ups were only for a month. I am confident the AFF honestly pays for every single sign-up.

07-16-2003, 05:13 PM	#9
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	"dirty tricks" what dirty tricks,this is business and the affiliate owner decides for what he is going to give you credit. His program, his rules. With your kind of logic all programs use dirty tricks

07-17-2003, 10:56 AM	#18
curiousdog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	From what I see at the moment, the situation is as follows. adultfriendfinder is a good company, that converts well and gives money, in spite of some apparent problems with lost commissions webmasters would be making even more money, if it were not for various suprises like a) the unsuspecting webmaster sends traffic for adultfriendfinder.com, but the client signs up for adult.com, germanfriendfinder.com or another program. Poor webmaster has no clue he lost that commission due to the somewhat strange setup of friendfinder's commission program (it seems to me that this is not "informed consent", most webmasters seem to be unaware of these lost commissions) b) the unsuspecting webmaster sends traffic for adultfriendfinder.com. This client is a webmaster who signs up as a webmaster for adultfriendfinder.com. Tough luck, he did not come via the "broker" link for adultfriendfinder.com, so another lost commission. c) finally, he sends a webmaster through his broker link for adultfriendfinder.com. Hooray!! a webmaster override commission!! The webmaster signs up not only for adultfriendfinder, but also for alt.com. Another lost commission. d) but thank god, sometimes traffic comes in as traffic for adultfriendfinder.com, and actually signs up for adultfriendfinder.com. A real commission!! And adultfriendfinder converts so well, that webmasters like it, still make good money in spite of the lost commissions, as demonstrated in a-c above. Maybe, for the really well informed webmaster, there is a possibility to tweak the settings in half a dozen webmaster areas for the various friendfinder programs, so these losses can be avoided. I am waiting for the positive confirmation, or maybe I will have to check that out myself, if there is a way around.

07-17-2003, 10:58 AM	#19
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Doubt ? Nope no doubt best converting adul sites there are, and longest running adult personal sites, that I know of. The Professor runs a tight ship ! Good as Gold !

07-17-2003, 02:14 PM	#23
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Btw, the "probably a spammer" thing is just a tag put on there by the board. As you move up with different amounts of posts you'll get different 'titles'. Once you get 1,000 posts you can set your own title.

07-17-2003, 07:49 PM	#24
wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	One reason AFF, etc, is so fucked up is that they bought alt.com. Alt has their own system and they never integrated the two systems. Good reason, but it still sucks. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

07-17-2003, 08:28 PM	#25
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	It's actually quite easy to get credited for all of the different AFF programs, and still get paid for your main affiliate account. No need to check multiple stats or worry about meeting the minimum on each program. Full details can be found here: (Sorry, the url is to long to paste) Go to your stats login page. Look for Hints & Tips. It tells you how to merge everything under one account. And it works with ALT.com as well.

07-25-2003, 10:12 AM	#26
TheProfessor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 103	Each of the sites in the Friend Finder network is independent. We have made some recent changes to let you setup cross links to the other sites. We have found that these cross links account for about 1% additional revenue. When you promote any one of the sites, people tend to join the one you send to. It is better, however, to have links to several of the sites that you feel your traffic will convert on your pages. People will tend to pick the one site that they want prior to clicking. Email me at [email protected] if you have more questions. You can also email [email protected] as she handles most affiliate questions. Thanks! __________________ CEO, Friend Finder The company you can trust for the highest personals payout - AdultFriendFinder.com (up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), Cams.com(crazy-high webcam conversions), ALT.com(up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), OutPersonals.com (up to $173/order or $1.00/uni), Friend Finder (up to $2/free member,100% cut), Amigos.com, and more!. Make money from chinese, indian, filipino, and korean traffic (no dialer or CCs needed!)

07-25-2003, 10:20 AM	#27
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	aff is more solid than any other adult company online that i know of __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.