acacia: we have a rat..

[mrthumbs]

open your eyes..

You really think these guys google all day to find
'victems' for their little patent play?

Do you really think one of their mainstream consultants
did some research and ended up on GFY?

Nah.. we have a rat.. no wait.. im sure.

What if a smart industry indsider - old timer (let's say
in the league of.. uhm.. fantasyman?) realised this
adult game is about to end and decided to offer
some 'consultancy' to this company called Acacia?

Or maybe this whole 'Acacia' thing has it's origin in this industry?

They are not targetting adult because it's an easy industry to
pick on.. they target adult because it's their industry..


What other well known industry folks unexpectedly made
a deal with acacia?

[klik]

[ytcracker]

dont want to sling mud, but maybe some of the people who have already settled reached a better agreement by turning over affiliates/colleagues.

[stevecore]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
let's say in the league of.. uhm.. fantasyman?

blasphemy!!

[mrthumbs]

i smell scandals and conspiracy..

This is a big plot by 1-3 big adult companies and at least one
leading billing company..

[Serge_Oprano]

fantasyman,
please don't reveal to ANYBODY the location of my bunker!
or
banker
;-))

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by ytcracker
dont want to sling mud, but maybe some of the people who have already settled reached a better agreement by turning over affiliates/colleagues.

right on

[Amputate Your Head]

rat or no rat, it doesn't really matter... as long as Acacia exists and continues to move forward with this shit, and assuming they aren't going to wake up one day and decide to stop, it's gotta eventually be played out in court one way or another.

[playa]

LOL,, a conspiracy theorist

Could it be FM's secret ploy to rule the entire adult industry?

[quiet]

shoot a couple of bucks to the impa...

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by quiet
shoot a couple of bucks to the impa...

we did.

But that wont help since acacia is supported from the
'inside' by some crucial players.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by playa
LOL,, a conspiracy theorist

Could it be FM's secret ploy to rule the entire adult industry?

naahhh...
he is thru with those games for the last 3 years
;-)))

[quiet]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


we did.

But that wont help since acacia is supported from the
'inside' by some crucial players.

of course it will help. in the end, it's going to come down to this lawsuit.

if they (acacia) loses, the rest is all just a bunch of noise. same if the reverse happens.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


we did.

But that wont help since acacia is supported from the
'inside' by some crucial players.

it'll help... if Acacia is going to push this all the way, which they'll obviously have to do sooner or later, they're going to come up against some big fucking people... people like Microsoft, Sony, the television networks, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc... the fucking NFL.... just to name a few. They're targetting adult right now because small time webmasters generally either can't afford to fight them, or simply aren't willing. They're building money right now by taking you guys out one webmaster at a time.

That won't last. There is no fucking way this shit will stand up against the mainstream heavy hitters. The whole thing is obviously fucking ridiculous, and all it takes is someone like the major news networks to make that clear in court.

Acacia's day will come.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


it'll help... if Acacia is going to push this all the way, which they'll obviously have to do sooner or later, they're going to come up against some big fucking people... people like Microsoft, Sony, the television networks, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc... the fucking NFL.... just to name a few. They're targetting adult right now because small time webmasters generally either can't afford to fight them, or simply aren't willing. They're building money right now by taking you guys out one webmaster at a time.

That won't last. There is no fucking way this shit will stand up against the mainstream heavy hitters. The whole thing is obviously fucking ridiculous, and all it takes is someone like the major news networks to make that clear in court.

Acacia's day will come.

VEry true AMP, very true

[ytcracker]

let's say that for the time being people to submit to acacia's demands and give them money.

at a later date, their patent is invalidated.

will this money be returned to those that ponied up the dough?

[Atari]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
rat or no rat, it doesn't really matter... as long as Acacia exists and continues to move forward with this shit, and assuming they aren't going to wake up one day and decide to stop, it's gotta eventually be played out in court one way or another.

Bingo.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by ytcracker
let's say that for the time being people to submit to acacia's demands and give them money.

at a later date, their patent is invalidated.

will this money be returned to those that ponied up the dough?

ROFL!!!

Acacia is spending your money to get the next guy's. You can't squeeze blood from a rock. If Acacia goes down it'll be the fastest bankruptcy filing in history. You'll never see a fucking dime.

[Peaches]

I can go to Google and put in any number of even remotely related sex keywords and be taken to hundreds of thousands of links which will take me to thousands and thousands of paysites.

With my trusty credit card, I join them, check to see if they have whatever video I might have a "patent" to (and I use that term loosely with these guys...), check the whois info, and BANG! Send them The Packet.

I could pay some horny college kid $15 an hour to do this for me and he could, if not distracted , come up with 20-30 sites A DAY for me.

There's NO NEED for a mole, folks - it's all right there!

[traffictrader]

You dirty rat, you killed my brother

[fiveyes]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
... They are not targetting adult because it's an easy industry to pick on.. they target adult because it's their industry...

My apologies for clipping your post that way, but that bit was very, very interesting. It made me stop and gasp! The monstrous enormity of it all overwhelmed me!!!

That is, until I remembered that we are not the sole targets after all, we just tend to feel that way at times because of short sightedness. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-983552.html

[Gemini]

Looks like ytc overdosed on his sinus meds or something.

REFUND?? Did you fall and hit your head or something???

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


it'll help... if Acacia is going to push this all the way, which they'll obviously have to do sooner or later, they're going to come up against some big fucking people... people like Microsoft, Sony, the television networks, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc... the fucking NFL.... just to name a few. They're targetting adult right now because small time webmasters generally either can't afford to fight them, or simply aren't willing. They're building money right now by taking you guys out one webmaster at a time.

That won't last. There is no fucking way this shit will stand up against the mainstream heavy hitters. The whole thing is obviously fucking ridiculous, and all it takes is someone like the major news networks to make that clear in court.

Acacia's day will come.

True.. but tell me.. if it's this insane and out of this world
why are leading adult companies, millionairs that normally raise hell over a $25 banner rip of (just a crazy example.. you know what i mean), seem to be eager to make a deal with Acacia to pay them a percentage of their hard earned cash.

This is all going a bit too easy.. unless Acacia has something in return for them we dont know about..

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


True.. but tell me.. if it's this insane and out of this world
why are leading adult companies, millionairs that normally raise hell over a $25 banner rip of (just a crazy example.. you know what i mean), seem to be eager to make a deal with Acacia to pay them a percentage of their hard earned cash.

This is all going a bit too easy.. unless Acacia has something in return for them we dont know about..

beats me... maybe they cut a deal, maybe they just didn't wanna deal with it... the old "throw money at it and make it go away" plan. Nobody likes being tied up in long ass court battles... that's obviously where the whole thing is headed. Maybe they just figured pay the fee for now and let someone else deal with them.

who knows... I couldn't tell ya what motivates the actions of others. But I betcha the mainstream corporate monsters don't roll so easily.

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by fiveyes

My apologies for clipping your post that way, but that bit was very, very interesting. It made me stop and gasp! The monstrous enormity of it all overwhelmed me!!!

That is, until I remembered that we are not the sole targets after all, we just tend to feel that way at times because of short sightedness. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-983552.html

im not impressed by the list of 'mainstream' companies they seem
to be targetting.

[Atari]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


we did.

But that wont help since acacia is supported from the
'inside' by some crucial players.

It doesn't really matter much who is turning in who - does it?

In fact, its probably a good thing for more people to have their packets and letters mailed to them, figuring that most of the people who have not could give 2 shits about any of this.

They are still running around saying "Acacia who?..."
or "I wont worry about any of this Acacia/IMPA stuff until I get my own licensing demand"

So by all means, turn in the whole damn crowd.

It will just mean more support for the IMPA in the end.



And for the true conspiracy theorists in the house:

Maybe the IMPA is actually Acacia!

Whenever you snap back to reality and realize that this whole thing is real, and these patents can be invalidated through the numerous forms of prior art out there, providing the IMPA has enough legal funding to fight that battle....

see my sig, and donate

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


True.. but tell me.. if it's this insane and out of this world
why are leading adult companies, millionairs that normally raise hell over a $25 banner rip of (just a crazy example.. you know what i mean), seem to be eager to make a deal with Acacia to pay them a percentage of their hard earned cash.

This is all going a bit too easy.. unless Acacia has something in return for them we dont know about..

I've said it before. I believe the "settlements" Acacia is getting from bigger webmasters and companies go something like this:

Acacia: "You never pay us a dime, ever, and you get to keep streaming all kinds of media until the end of time. In return, we get to tell people that you settled with us and scare everyone else into falling in line."
Settler: "OK."

SpaceAce

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Atari

In fact, its probably a good thing for more people to have their packets and letters mailed to them, figuring that most of the people who have not could give 2 shits about any of this.

I fully agree with this.... the more people that get served by Acacia, the more light will be shed on the whole thing. Eventually this will be on the nightly fucking news... because while they can continue to ignore the adult world, it's going to hit mainstream loud and proud one day soon.... so the more people that get served the better. Let's get the fucking show on the road I say and get this shit to the courts and get it fucking over with.

[sherie]

Yeah, cause there are loads of industry people with nothing better to do than do searches all day....especially those types of people that you mentioned, cause they have all day to sit around instead of say travel or golf etc. *rollseyes*



Need a freakin' sarcastic smiley damnit!

[ytcracker]

Originally posted by Gemini
Looks like ytc overdosed on his sinus meds or something.

REFUND?? Did you fall and hit your head or something???

sorry i didnt hear you i was busy petting the wall and talking to my can opener

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


I've said it before. I believe the "settlements" Acacia is getting from bigger webmasters and companies go something like this:

Acacia: "You never pay us a dime, ever, and you get to keep streaming all kinds of media until the end of time. In return, we get to tell people that you settled with us and scare everyone else into falling in line."
Settler: "OK."

SpaceAce

something like that, yes.

Acacia: "These patent claims are false but we can keep up appearances. Tell people that you settled with us and scare everyone else into falling in line. Well give you a percentage and it will eliminate some competition."
Settler: "OK."

[quiet]

for the adult internet business, it all boils down to the homegrown lawsuit. doesn't matter how many secret deals may or may not have been done with acacia by certain companies.

we need to see their patents invalidated in this lawsuit. i think it can be done.

[Serge_Oprano]

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.


whoops,
wrong thread!

[Atari]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


I fully agree with this.... the more people that get served by Acacia, the more light will be shed on the whole thing. Eventually this will be on the nightly fucking news... because while they can continue to ignore the adult world, it's going to hit mainstream loud and proud one day soon.... so the more people that get served the better. Let's get the fucking show on the road I say and get this shit to the courts and get it fucking over with.

You just gave me the idea that if everyone got their packets, gets pissed and puts some sort of cut&paste message (same message everywhere) on their servers for their VISITORS to see that eventually everyone in mass media, and mainstream corporations would be very aware of this now quiet battle.

Because nobody surfs the internet for porn right?

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.


whoops,
wrong thread!

i love you serge

[Serge_Oprano]

mrthumbs,
in the world according to the big guys,
it would be nice and dandy if 10 of them had paysites and the rest of you send traffic and just be affiliates...and Acacia is there possible way to achieve it
;-)))

I understand why they settle,
it makes all sense to them

[Atari]

Originally posted by Atari

Because nobody surfs the internet for porn right?

You would probably want to make sure that you listed the many examples of prior art that will invalidate their patents.

You woudln't want a bunch of surfers getting the wrong idea thinking they could invest in the company and make some money because they have a solid plan.

[Gemini]

Just teasing you ytc. lol

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by mrthumbs


i love you serge

please don't tell anybody,
we don't wanna start the rumors, don't we?
;-)))

especially when we know that:
"A u tioti Nadi,
vse podrugi BLIADI!"
especially in thsi industry
;-)))

[ytcracker]

Originally posted by Gemini
Just teasing you ytc. lol

ahhahaah i figured
as the oft stated phrase goes, hey, this is gfy right

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by quiet
for the adult internet business, it all boils down to the homegrown lawsuit. doesn't matter how many secret deals may or may not have been done with acacia by certain companies.

we need to see their patents invalidated in this lawsuit. i think it can be done.

I don't see how there could possibly be any other outcome as long as the patents are challenged. Their claims are so broad and ridiculous that they are bound to collapse under scrutiny. I think Acacia is simply flinging as much crap at the wall as they can think of and praying for something to stick.

All data on the internet is made up of the same bits and bytes, You could easily write a program to read any random data, say a zip file or a Word document, and display it as video the same way a Winamp visualization plugin does for an MP3. Also, until the data is decompressed by some form of viewer, it is nothing. You can't prove a given file is an audio or video file until you play it. Data is not inherently a video or audio stream, it has to be interpreted as such by software on the receiving end. Data lines are just another method of transfer. If your surfer right-clicks and downloads a file, he is not streaming video. He is storing data for later use by a viewing program. The same goes for zipping up a video file. Now, is that data still a video? If you open a zip file in Realplayer, it won't work. What if you put the video on a disk and mail it to a customer? That has the same effect as a right-click save does. The video is not viewed in transit, it simply sent from one location to another for use at another time.

The patents are a joke. The problem is that every little lawsuit they win will be more precedent on their side. That's why we need strong and organized opposition to Acacia's blackmail.

SpaceAce

[Ludedude]

I wonder how Disney will feel about 2% extortion?

http://news.google.com/url?q=http://...3-5053552.html

[nuclei]

Judging by the mainstreamers that have been hit, acacia is asking for a lot less than 2%

And he is only hitting small timers, not one of the bigger players in mainstream.

Regardless of how you think things went, the bottom line is what is needed to stop this extortion.

Instead of whining, do something to help everyones cause here by helping and supporting IMPA.

[Jayson]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


it'll help... if Acacia is going to push this all the way, which they'll obviously have to do sooner or later, they're going to come up against some big fucking people... people like Microsoft, Sony, the television networks, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc... the fucking NFL.... just to name a few. They're targetting adult right now because small time webmasters generally either can't afford to fight them, or simply aren't willing. They're building money right now by taking you guys out one webmaster at a time.

That won't last. There is no fucking way this shit will stand up against the mainstream heavy hitters. The whole thing is obviously fucking ridiculous, and all it takes is someone like the major news networks to make that clear in court.

Acacia's day will come.

except the nasty little thing with patents is they can be selectively enforced. Acacia could choose to never fight the big guys, stick with the small players that cant afford the minimum 6 figure sums a patent lawsuit is going to cost.

best hope is if one of the big guys gets interested on their own and convinces a court to let them join an existing action.

[Atari]

Originally posted by Jayson


Acacia could choose to never fight the big guys, stick with the small players that cant afford the minimum 6 figure sums a patent lawsuit is going to cost.

best hope is if one of the big guys gets interested on their own and convinces a court to let them join an existing action.

They are fighting the big players in this industry.

The big players have formed the IMPA.

They have hired Fish & Richardson to represent this case against Acacia and are currently accepting donations on behalf of the small players that can't afford the minimum 6 figure sums of a patent lawsuit.




Is it me or does it seem like half of the people making comments about this situation just got back from a 12 month vacation to Mars?

[Atari]

Originally posted by Jayson


best hope is if one of the big guys gets interested on their own and convinces a court to let them join an existing action.

That is a good question for the IMPA though:

How would one go about joining the IMPA's fight directly?

For example some of the people who have gotten packets or letters, maybe they would like to joih the IMPA's defense directly instead of just help.

Is this possible?

[EdjOfSanity]

They have NOTHING without a judges sig...

[ayj]

Serge wrote:

"mrthumbs,
in the world according to the big guys,
it would be nice and dandy if 10 of them had paysites and the rest of you send traffic and just be affiliates...and Acacia is there possible way to achieve it
;-)))

I understand why they settle,
it makes all sense to them"

That's how it looks to me too, best thing that could ever happen for them as long as the entry bar remains high enough (and $1,500 isn't bad for the first round).

ayj

[Atari]

Originally posted by EdjOfSanity
They have NOTHING without a judges sig...

U.S. Patent numbers:

5,132,992
5,253,275
5,550,863
6,002,720
6,144,702

Wake up.


And speaking of sigs...

[rooster]

yea and cohen had a trademark on 'sex'