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crockett · 07-24-2003, 08:11 PM

where is Larry Flynt when you need him....

ytcracker · 07-24-2003, 08:11 PM

Scootermuze · 07-24-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
where is Larry Flynt when you need him....

Probably sitting comfortably as his lawyers are waiting for the day that they receive their little packet, so they can turn Acacia into a parking lot.

DrGuile · 07-24-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs

True.. but tell me.. if it's this insane and out of this world
why are leading adult companies, millionairs that normally raise hell over a $25 banner rip of (just a crazy example.. you know what i mean), seem to be eager to make a deal with Acacia to pay them a percentage of their hard earned cash.

This is all going a bit too easy.. unless Acacia has something in return for them we dont know about..

You are not the sharpest tool in the conspiracy shed.

Its pretty easy to see that for big guys like CE, settling is win-win, you dont even have to reach into any conspiracy theory or anything.

The very simple truth is if Acacia wins (god forbid), they can get 6 years of retroactive payments against CE.

Now, try and imagine how much money CE made between 96 and 99. Get the picture?

Ok, so they settled and if Acacia win (i.e. common sense fails), acacia cant get back payments. So CE's happy to have cut a deal. Acacia looses, CE doesnt have to pay diddly squat. Again, they're happy they settled.

Its not that complicated.

Paul Markham · 07-24-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

it'll help... if Acacia is going to push this all the way, which they'll obviously have to do sooner or later, they're going to come up against some big fucking people... people like Microsoft, Sony, the television networks, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc... the fucking NFL.... just to name a few. They're targetting adult right now because small time webmasters generally either can't afford to fight them, or simply aren't willing. They're building money right now by taking you guys out one webmaster at a time.

That won't last. There is no fucking way this shit will stand up against the mainstream heavy hitters. The whole thing is obviously fucking ridiculous, and all it takes is someone like the major news networks to make that clear in court.

Acacia's day will come.

Great theory and useless. Stick to designing.

You worked out that they will come unstuck up against all the big boys. So can you give me one good reason why they go after them? These guys are lawyers and been through patent litigation in court. And got beaten, so what makes you think they are going to take on the big boys again and get beaten again when all they have to do is bleed us dry?

This is the time for the big players in the porn to step up to the plate and fight this. Acacia's plan is simple. "We have a legal patent, which if you want over turned will cost you more in court than we will charge you for the license" Assuming they go after 1% at a time and a group like IMPA stays small.

They are truing to bring down IMPA in court by saying they are a conspiracy. Again another excuse to get us into court and get us to spend money.

Would they be attacking the porn industry if they knew they were up against a united front? Or are they thinking we will sit and wait for them to sue Microsoft?

Marv · 07-25-2003, 12:15 AM

Acacia must have assumed that juries and judges will not be sympathetic toward the adult industry. I agree when someone said, where's Larry Flynt?

John3 · 07-25-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Marv
Acacia must have assumed that juries and judges will not be sympathetic toward the adult industry. I agree when someone said, where's Larry Flynt?

Content won't be admissable in this court case. The validity of their patent has NOTHING to do with the content, and if that factor enters into the decision it will be an automatic grounds for appeal.

Marv · 07-25-2003, 12:19 AM

good point

John3 · 07-25-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by Marv
good point

In fact - HomeGrown - I'm sure your attorneys are aware of that, and I'm not an attorney. But I'd avoid at all costs having the adult industry associated with the suit, including removing company names and video names from all records.

Jayson · 07-25-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by John3

Content won't be admissable in this court case. The validity of their patent has NOTHING to do with the content, and if that factor enters into the decision it will be an automatic grounds for appeal.

A motion to have the fact that Acacia are suing the adult industry participants and the fact it is adult video blocked from proceedings has already been dismissed - so Acacia have won that one. I would have to think that is why they now want a jury trial.

John3 · 07-25-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by Jayson

A motion to have the fact that Acacia are suing the adult industry participants and the fact it is adult video blocked from proceedings has already been dismissed - so Acacia have won that one. I would have to think that is why they now want a jury trial.

again, I'm not an attorney.

But that's not what I'm saying . . . what I am saying is not to try to get a dismissal, but to keep the adult content issue completely out of the trial.

In laymen's terms - don't let them introduce any "fucking" evidence as evidence

susanna · 07-25-2003, 12:51 AM

It has been well over a year since I read my package but there was a statement to the effect that if you paid by a certain date there was one charge...if you waited till they won the court case and then they charged you it would be significantly higher. I could see someone very interested in settling now... remember too the main advice even from impa is to check with your lawyer... and guess what fantasyman's lawyer said....

Of interest is that Acacia does not own the patent for all this in canada... I do hope that the judges that hear the case and any appeals will have the sense to get some education on the internet if they dont already...and...whats the odds that they will...most are old dodgers no?

Also of note... the reporting requirements everyone has in their packages states that you must release to acacia all people doing business with you including affiliates... so does this mean fantasyman and any other settlers has already sent all that info to acacia?

I think I am going to get a patent on the process of getting patents.

cash69 · 07-25-2003, 01:02 AM

instead of them picking off 1 person at a time.. can't everyone just put their money together and have 1 big case..everyone that pitches in some money.. have them represented in the case against them.. they don't even have to show up to be listed. once the judge throws that out.. they are all safe and can't be fucked with

if they go after 1 person at a time they will end up making money.. if there is 1 case.. with a few lawyers it would cost each person maybe a few thousand dollars and get this over with.. instead of 1 person having to pay 50,000$ or more for laywers

quiet · 07-25-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by cash69
instead of them picking off 1 person at a time.. can't everyone just put their money together and have 1 big case..everyone that pitches in some money.. have them represented in the case against them.. they don't even have to show up to be listed. once the judge throws that out.. they are all safe and can't be fucked with

if they go after 1 person at a time they will end up making money.. if there is 1 case.. with a few lawyers it would cost each person maybe a few thousand dollars and get this over with.. instead of 1 person having to pay 50,000$ or more for laywers

50K? lol

see sig

cash69 · 07-25-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

50K? lol

see sig

half of my family is lawyers.. they usually represent me for a steak dinner.. i wouldn't give my uncle more then 5k

quiet · 07-25-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by cash69
half of my family is lawyers.. they usually represent me for a steak dinner.. i wouldn't give my uncle more then 5k

a patent case can easily cost over 1 M.

haha.

John3 · 07-25-2003, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

50K? lol

see sig

it's tiring to see the uneducated post here

cash69 · 07-25-2003, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

50K? lol

see sig

donate the money to me.. so i can defend myself.. why do you want everyone to donate to you so you can save your ass.. if they go after everyone 1 by 1.. the money is only going to help you and no one else

quiet · 07-25-2003, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by cash69
donate the money to me.. so i can defend myself.. why do you want everyone to donate to you so you can save your ass.. if they go after everyone 1 by 1.. the money is only going to help you and no one else

(1) you're not donating to me. you can't be that stupid. can you?
(2) the big case is homegrown vs acacia, if homegrown wins, the patents will be invalidated, and EVERYONE wins. duh.
(3) i laugh each time i read your post. has your head been in the sand for the past year?

slackologist · 07-25-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

(1) you're not donating to me. you can't be that stupid. can you?
(2) the big case is homegrown vs acacia, if homegrown wins, the patents will be invalidated, and EVERYONE wins. duh.
(3) i laugh each time i read your post. has your head been in the sand for the past year?

exactly, if we (the industry) win one case then they have less chance of winning again..

i still think there are a few big players/actors in the biz that would be happy to see the smaller guys knocked out by acacia :-)

Amputate Your Head · 07-25-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Great theory and useless. Stick to designing.

You worked out that they will come unstuck up against all the big boys. So can you give me one good reason why they go after them?

Boring speech. Stick to taking pictures.

A few people send out some Acacia packages to a few of the larger mainstreamers on behalf of Acacia, and we got a ball game.

Jayson · 07-25-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by John3

again, I'm not an attorney.

But that's not what I'm saying . . . what I am saying is not to try to get a dismissal, but to keep the adult content issue completely out of the trial.

In laymen's terms - don't let them introduce any "fucking" evidence as evidence

Theres articles about this somewhere - AVN I think.

This has already been raised. homegrown/impa have already brought a motion to have that information disallowed during the trial - it was dismissed.

So Acacia are allowed to introduce "fucking" evidence as evidence.
Im not a lawyer either, just going on what I have read.

cash69 · 07-25-2003, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

(1) you're not donating to me. you can't be that stupid. can you?
(2) the big case is homegrown vs acacia, if homegrown wins, the patents will be invalidated, and EVERYONE wins. duh.
(3) i laugh each time i read your post. has your head been in the sand for the past year?

you sound like an anti spammer just how you talk

kronic · 07-25-2003, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

A few people send out some Acacia packages to a few of the larger mainstreamers on behalf of Acacia, and we got a ball game.

I agree.

Send an Acacia packet via registered mail to CNN, ABC et al and bring this whole thing to light.

They might do it under the guise of protecting their own asses, but the bottom line is when most of these executives go home at night, they snap one off to internet porn.

Undutchable · 07-25-2003, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by kronic

I agree.

Send an Acacia packet via registered mail to CNN, ABC et al and bring this whole thing to light.

They might do it under the guise of protecting their own asses, but the bottom line is when most of these executives go home at night, they snap one off to internet porn.

Yeah right. And the industry losing 2% to Acacia per company matters to them how?

They're not going to fight this battle for us. Bullshit.

kronic · 07-25-2003, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by Undutchable

Yeah right. And the industry losing 2% to Acacia per company matters to them how?

They're not going to fight this battle for us. Bullshit.

It would matter to them because it would set a precedent in the case.

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susanna Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 81	It has been well over a year since I read my package but there was a statement to the effect that if you paid by a certain date there was one charge...if you waited till they won the court case and then they charged you it would be significantly higher. I could see someone very interested in settling now... remember too the main advice even from impa is to check with your lawyer... and guess what fantasyman's lawyer said.... Of interest is that Acacia does not own the patent for all this in canada... I do hope that the judges that hear the case and any appeals will have the sense to get some education on the internet if they dont already...and...whats the odds that they will...most are old dodgers no? Also of note... the reporting requirements everyone has in their packages states that you must release to acacia all people doing business with you including affiliates... so does this mean fantasyman and any other settlers has already sent all that info to acacia? I think I am going to get a patent on the process of getting patents.

07-25-2003, 01:02 AM	#63
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	instead of them picking off 1 person at a time.. can't everyone just put their money together and have 1 big case..everyone that pitches in some money.. have them represented in the case against them.. they don't even have to show up to be listed. once the judge throws that out.. they are all safe and can't be fucked with if they go after 1 person at a time they will end up making money.. if there is 1 case.. with a few lawyers it would cost each person maybe a few thousand dollars and get this over with.. instead of 1 person having to pay 50,000$ or more for laywers