About penis enlargement pills

[boobmaster]

Yes, they convert like crazy but I have no idea why.

These things simply DO NOT WORK and, frankly, everyone who sells them knows it. Don't believe me? Then go to any reputable medical site and type in the phrase 'penis enlargement'. The only way to actually enlarge your penis is through (extremely painful) surgery. Penis enlargement pills are plecebos. The ONLY thing they do is make money for the people who sell them. Are men really that STUPID to believe that poping a couple pills every will magically turn them into a nine-incher?

On the other hand, if someone is stupid enough to believe his dick will grow by taking a pill then I guess he deserves to be parted from his gold. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying we shouldn't sell them. If it is LEGAL to do so then go for it. But PLEASE let's not pretend that they actually work.

[BRISK]

They sell for the same reasons people believe in religions.

Humans will always seek the easy way out, even if it sounds unrealistic.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Sounds right on

[BRISK]

Other examples of BS products are weight loss pills and breast enlargement pills and creams.

It's all just modern day snake oil.

I say sell as much as you can, if people are dumb enough to buy the stuff, thats their problem.

Hopes and dreams in a bottle, thats all they're selling.

[boobmaster]

They sell for the same reasons people believe in religions. Humans will always seek the easy way out, even if it sounds unrealistic.

Believing in religion is a little different. It is true that you can't prove the existence of a god. But it's also impossible disprove the existence of a god. I agree that it is easier to go through life believing you will live for eternity in heaven. But we're porn slingers, my friend. We're going straight to hell (at least according to Pat Robertson). For a pornographer, it's much easier to go through life believing that you will NOT burn forever in hell.

It's pretty easy to prove than penis enlargement pills do not work, however.

[Darren]

WRONG...

As I have said many times before just because science is NOT up to date it doesn't mean there are other methods out there that would enlarge the penis.

Pills on there own do not entirely work. They can work in this way, increase libido, erection hardness and sperm quantity. Now if yo was previously not 100% erect then when you become 100% erect with the pils your penis is bigger.

Pills + Exercises give all the above effects + penis enlargement size gains, that is why we sell www.prosolutionpills.com as a system it works and it sells.

My network of sites and ME personally only sell products which I know work and have even tried myself.

check www.mens-network.com/forum/ can all these people be wrong? NO.

I remember that the medical profession said steriods could not increase muscle size etc etc and that proved to be wrong.

[boobmaster]

Pills on there own do not entirely work.

They don't work at all.

Pills + Exercises give all the above effects + penis enlargement size gains

Bullshit!

that is why we sell www.prosolutionpills.com as a system it works and it sells.

... which explains to me why you are taking this position

[quote]My network of sites and ME personally only sell products which I know work and have even tried myself.[\quote]

Got any actual scientific proof that they work? Didn't think so.

check www.mens-network.com/forum/ can all these people be wrong? NO.

YES! Especially if you're paying them (or programing them) to say stuff.

I remember that the medical profession said steriods could not increase muscle size etc etc and that proved to be wrong.

Bad analogy. The penis isn't a muscle. Do you have an MD after your name, BTW?

Here are some snips from articles you can look up on WebMD. These articles were actually written by people who know what they are talking about:

Quote 1

Surgery is the only legitimate way to permanently enlarge your penis, and the best possible results are much less dramatic than you might hope for. Claims of massive gains by other methods -- such as pills, pumps, and exercises -- are either overenthusiastic or blatantly fraudulent.

Quote 2

No pill or potion can enlarge your sex organ, so don't waste your money.

Quote 3

The penis is not a muscle; you cannot build it up through exercise.

The above quotes were made by doctors. You are not a doctor. You are a businessman who has a financial stake in the enlargement scam.

As I said earlier, I'm not telling you to stop selling the stuff. I've done well pushing that crap too and I still make money off it. You're fortunate in that most men are so desperate to have a bigger schlong that they never bother to get the facts from reputable sources like WebMD or the Mayo Clinic site. And even if they did get the real scoop, most of them would choose to buy your snake oil anyway. So don't worry - be happy!

PS - My sister is a doctor at the Mayo Clinic (so is her husband) and we've talked about this issue in the past. THE SHIT DON'T WORK, DUDE!

[benthompson]

Originally posted by boobmaster
Yes, they convert like crazy but I have no idea why.

These things simply DO NOT WORK and, frankly, everyone who sells them knows it. Don't believe me? Then go to any reputable medical site and type in the phrase 'penis enlargement'. The only way to actually enlarge your penis is through (extremely painful) surgery. Penis enlargement pills are plecebos. The ONLY thing they do is make money for the people who sell them. Are men really that STUPID to believe that poping a couple pills every will magically turn them into a nine-incher?

On the other hand, if someone is stupid enough to believe his dick will grow by taking a pill then I guess he deserves to be parted from his gold. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying we shouldn't sell them. If it is LEGAL to do so then go for it. But PLEASE let's not pretend that they actually work.

I think people are really desperate to hope that it will work..

[KRL]

Who the heck would have the balls to ask for a refund?

Hi my penis is still 4" inches.

You think someone would call the FTC to file a report about the size of their penis?

[Darren]

Wait...

So I am paying over 800 verified members and thousands of unregistered members to post on www.mens-network.com/forum/ thats a lot of money I am paying... to post over 100 posts a day.

I suppose I am also paying the tens of thousands of men who have seen gains at these forums.

www.thundersplace.com
www.peforum.net
www.cheekycherry.com

??

Just because you do NOT think it is true do not BASH it until you have tried it. Penis enlargement DOES WORK.

And I know the penis is NOT a muscle, obviously you did not see what I was getting it with my example of doctors rubbishing the claims that steriods did not help increase muscle size, what I was saying is DOCTORS are not always right they go by what they have conventionally been taught...

Just like thousands of years ago people got taught the world was FLAT and would stick to this, we now know it is round...

U see my point?

TRY IT.

[freeme]

Originally posted by KRL
Who the heck would have the balls to ask for a refund?


You think someone would call the FTC to file a report about the size of their penis?

dont laugh it will happen

happening with breast enhancements now

[Johny Traffic]

Who the heck would have the balls to ask for a refund?

Ha!

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by KRL
Who the heck would have the balls to ask for a refund?

Hi my penis is still 4" inches.

You think someone would call the FTC to file a report about the size of their penis?

you can file a complaint over the web

[sacX]

heh as i said yesterday show me the double blinded randomised controlled trial that say penis enlargement pills work

Anecdotal evidence is the weakest evidence that something works

Having said that viagra and co, do increase penis size because they increase blood flow, and the poor sod couldn't get an erection beforehand..

Also I am curious whether it is legal to advertise these pills.. you have to be very careful, and not say that something will have a therapeutic endpoint, when there's no hard evidence..

In New Zealand for example you couldn't say "penis pill A will enlarge your penis" you could say something like "some men have found that penis pill A enlarged their penis"

This whole topic is a pet hate of mine, but I am also kind of the opinion that men stupid enough to buy these pills deserve to lose their money (and will at least get a lesson in gullability). I am conventionally trained in medicine so kind of low tolerance for unproven medicine.. there are of course plenty of herbal stuff that I'm sure works, but I just prefer to go with tried and tested therapies.

[sacX]

hrm having said all that shit up above, can i get a free sample?

[kmanrox]

that's why you sell something thats proven to work, not hocus pokus =)

[boobmaster]

Wait...

So I am paying over 800 verified members and thousands of unregistered members to post on www.mens-network.com/forum/ thats a lot of money I am paying... to post over 100 posts a day.

I suppose I am also paying the tens of thousands of men who have seen gains at these forums.

www.thundersplace.com
www.peforum.net
www.cheekycherry.com

??

If you're making enough money from the lie that this crap actually works, then yes, I believe you would pay them all.

Just because you do NOT think it is true do not BASH it until you have tried it. Penis enlargement DOES WORK.

I already told you that I promote these kinds of programs. I'm sure you've made a lot of money doing it so more power to ya. I really don't know why you are working this hard to defend a bald-faced lie. IT DOESN'T FRIGGIN' MATTER. Even if every single guy who wanted to buy these things was forced to first read this thread, MOST IF NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD STILL SEND YOU $$.

What pisses me off is that you are trying to insult my intelligence. Your snakle oil don't work, my friend.

And I know the penis is NOT a muscle, obviously you did not see what I was getting it with my example of doctors rubbishing the claims that steriods did not help increase muscle size, what I was saying is DOCTORS are not always right they go by what they have conventionally been taught...

You have to say the doctors are wrong because no reputable doctor would ever back your claims up. NOT ONE. Fuck your message board and your testimonials. Give me HARD EVIDENCE. Cite me a single study which supports your claim. You can't, because there isn't one. I can show you message boards where thousands of posters claim that they have been abducted by aliens. Does that mean it's true? I don't give a shit about what your posters have to say. That isn't evidence. I choose to believe the people (medical people) who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.

Just like thousands of years ago people got taught the world was FLAT and would stick to this, we now know it is round...

U see my point?

TRY IT.

No, I don't see your point. Another bad analogy. Unlike most of the people who are making you rich, I am perfectly comfortable with the size of my penis. My god. I never thought this thread would turn into an argument. Do you believe in Santa Clause too?

Cry and bitch all you want. It ain't gonna make your system work. If there really was a drug that could grow peniile tissue, don't you think some drug company would have gotten a patent on it by now? Don't you think drug companies would be funding more research? Don't you think that doctors would be pushing more perscriptions? They aren't, because penis enlargement pills and/or excercise manuals DON'T WORK.

[Darren]

im not crying or bitching, i know it works because i have personally used it and I get messages everyday from the people who use our program its that simple.

A report done:

http://www.penilefitness.com/report2.html


Your doctor friend why not put him in touch with me and we can arrange a medical trial? We have tried for the last 2 years to get a medical organization to do this BUT NO ONE WILL, 50 samples using combination of the pills and exercises and lets see the results.

[boobmaster]

im not crying or bitching, i know it works because i have personally used it and I get messages everyday from the people who use our program its that simple.

A report done:

http://www.penilefitness.com/report2.html

Did this article appear in a reputable medical journal or on a reputable medical website? If not, then it wasn't peer reviewed. So it means nothing. If you pay someone enough money they will write anything you want them to write. Until this article appears in a reputable peer review journal, it can't be used as evidence. Even it it did appear in any kind of reputable journal, it still means nothing unless the study is replicated.

Your doctor friend why not put him in touch with me and we can arrange a medical trial? We have tried for the last 2 years to get a medical organization to do this BUT NO ONE WILL, 50 samples using combination of the pills and exercises and lets see the results.

It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to conduct research. Researchers won't waste their time on a hypthosis that doesn't show any promise. The reason no reputable doctor will work with you is because your cliam is a complete joke.

Who created this 'system' of yours, BTW? You? Where did you get your PhD? What exactly is in those little pills of yours and what is the rationale for putting them there? Some ancient chinese herb, no doubt.

BTW - penilefitness.com. Is that YOU! If so, your GODDAM affiliates have been spamming the shit out of me for two years.

[Darren]

PenileFitness is NOT me.

that report was done by a Phd

I am up for paying for the clinical research so put up or shut up , lets do this, i know it works.

[Braincash Fred]

Pills are working... but don't expect to have an increase in your penis size only with the pills. The pills alone will give you better erection and increase you cumshoot.

If you want to increase the size of your penis the pills can help with exercise to do it.... but plan to play & stretch your wee-wee everyday for 20 mins for a months.

[Braincash Fred]

Darren got the best pills & program out there if you are looking to promote some

[Darren]

Originally posted by AC fred
Darren got the best pills & program out there if you are looking to promote some

mucho love

[Tipsy]

I'm genuinely amazed to find someone that sells the pills actually believe their own hype.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I think I have a crush on Darren

[Darren]

Originally posted by Tipsy
I'm genuinely amazed to find someone that sells the pills actually believe their own hype.

im believe the results I HAVE seen myself and thousands of men have seen and post about...

MensNiche as only got products which I KNOW work I would not develop a network around products which do not work.

grrr im all argued out for today anyway

[Darren]

Originally posted by sarah_webinc
I think I have a crush on Darren

so its true enlarging your penis means u get all the sexy girls...

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by boobmaster
Yes, they convert like crazy but I have no idea why.

These things simply DO NOT WORK and, frankly, everyone who sells them knows it. Don't believe me? Then go to any reputable medical site and type in the phrase 'penis enlargement'. The only way to actually enlarge your penis is through (extremely painful) surgery. Penis enlargement pills are plecebos. The ONLY thing they do is make money for the people who sell them. Are men really that STUPID to believe that poping a couple pills every will magically turn them into a nine-incher?

On the other hand, if someone is stupid enough to believe his dick will grow by taking a pill then I guess he deserves to be parted from his gold. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying we shouldn't sell them. If it is LEGAL to do so then go for it. But PLEASE let's not pretend that they actually work.

You sound frustrated

[TheGoldenChild]

E-Mail Hucksterism, Offensive but Effective
By SAUL HANSELL
July 4th NY TIMES






very medium seems to have its signature hucksters, with advertising messages that are annoying, repetitive, improbable ? yet somehow successful.

Late-night television sold Ronco's Veg-O-Matic food choppers. And in today's online world, if an e-mail subject line says, "Does Size Matter?" or "Increase Your Self Esteem," odds are that it involves an offer for pills promising to make your penis larger.

The unregulated herbal pills are highly profitable ? they cost as little as $2.50 a bottle to produce and sell for $50 or more ? and the marketing mechanism is cheap: an elaborate sales effort of millions of unsolicited e-mail messages, or spam, each day.

Carrying medically impossible promises, a few million bottles of the pills are sold annually by at least 50 companies, according to pill makers and dealers, producing revenue of more than $100 million a year for the so-called male enhancement industry.


The torrent of such messages is no small factor in a bipartisan push for new federal legislation to restrict unsolicited e-mail.

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The spammers are generally very small outfits, which hide their identities by bouncing their messages off computers in countries with lax regulation. The pill makers are more visible, defending themselves by insisting that they have strict policies against spamming by affiliates. They concede, though, that spammers often evade those policies.

"It is impossible for us to control the marketing of all aspects of our products," Mr. Gerstein said.

The pills are typically the same cocktail of herbal ingredients ? like yohimbé bark and horny goat weed ? that are sold in health food stores as sexual stimulants. These ingredients may indeed affect sexual arousal, though not as much as prescription drugs like Viagra, said Dr. John Banhahahahaha, who runs the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University. But they cannot permanently change the size or shape of a body part, he said.

The marketing of products to improve male sexual performance did not start with e-mail. It goes back to the beginning of the mail-order business, when merchandise of this sort was shipped to customers in plain brown wrappers. Men's sex magazines have long carried ads for stimulants like Spanish fly (pulverized blister beetles) and enlargement devices like vacuum pumps.

By now, though, sexual accessories have moved out of the shadows and are discussed on cable television shows like "Sex and the City."

"Our whole industry is growing steadily because it is becoming mainstream," said Ken Thomas, director of marketing for Topco Sales, a leading maker of vacuum pumps and sex toys. (Topco does not sell penis pills, he said, because they do not work.)

Critical to the success of the herbal-pill makers was the approval of Pfizer's Viagra by the Food and Drug Administration in 1998, and the mass-marketing campaign for the drug. "Pfizer opened the door by putting erectile dysfunction on prime-time television," said Malcolm Casselle, chief executive of Elima Biotronic, the maker of Opus-X, an herbal concoction that is marketed as increasing sexual pleasure.

Mr. Casselle was a founder of NetNoir, a Web site for blacks, and an executive at Pacific Century CyberWorks, the highflying Hong Kong Internet company that crashed in 2001. Sex pills, he said, seemed like a natural opportunity.

"You have a marketplace with no credible players ? there is all that spam and late-night infomercials," Mr. Casselle said. "The market is ripe for consolidation, like coffee houses before Starbucks." The total market for all sorts of herbal sexual pills, he estimates, is $1 billion to $2 billion a year.

The first penis enlargement pills were introduced about five years ago by companies like HerbalO, of Chatsworth, Calif., and CP Direct of Phoenix, maker of Longitude. They were sold in men's magazines and on late-night TV, but soon migrated to the Internet, where there are almost no boundaries on taste or language.

Scott Richter, president of OptInRealBig, which sells sexual products, remarked, "A lot of people would be embarrassed and wouldn't walk in to the Walgreen's and say, `I want to buy penis enlargement pills.' I wouldn't."

The affiliate programs, created first to sell the pills on sexually explicit Web sites, were quickly taken up by senders of spam. People who had lists of e-mail addresses could count on being paid $20 to $50 for each pill order, with the distributors providing the graphics and sales pitches used in the e-mail.

"Unfortunately, spam is a cheap game to get into," said Michael Clark, managing partner of Herbal Partners, which sells more than 300,000 bottles a year of Herbal Vigor pills, largely through affiliates. A marketer, he said, could arrange to send millions of spam messages a day through a computer in Eastern Europe for $1,500 to $3,000 a month. And a list containing 10 million e-mail addresses can cost just a few hundred dollars.

"That means you only need to take in $150 a day to break even," Mr. Clark said. "If you can send out 10 million e-mails a day from your bedroom, and you make $50 a bottle, you can make a decent profit."

Most spammers, moreover, are affiliates for dozens of other kinds of questionable merchandise ? cable descramblers, credit-repair schemes and other pills with dubious claims, like coral calcium, human-growth hormone and illegal generic Viagra.

Mr. Richter said the biggest spammers take in $5,000 to $10,000 a day selling penis pills. His company and Mr. Clark's Herbal Partners, among others, say they have policies restricting e-mail marketing to people who request it.

"If we have an affiliate and we get even one angry spam complaint," Mr. Clark said, "we will cut them off and stop paying them." But he acknowledged that a spammer with modest technical skills could create a chain of untraceable Web sites so that complaints never made it back to his company.

If hundreds of spammers are mailing to the same lists of names, hasn't every potential customer bought a bottle already?

Not really, Mr. Clark says. "Wouldn't you think that at some point, Pepsi has already reached everybody who would possibly drink Pepsi? But they keep advertising," he said. With the pill messages, "guys delete it and delete it and at some point, they start to wonder."

In addition to spam, there are hundreds of Web sites devoted almost entirely to male enhancement, serving an eager if selective audience. In May, Overture Services, a search-engine advertising firm, counted 117,332 searches for the term "penis enlargement" on its network, which includes Yahoo's and Microsoft's search sites ? fewer than the 141,267 searches for "New York Yankees" but far more than the 30,568 searches for "New York Mets."

One site, PenisResource.com, was started in 1999 by David Wolfe, who was 17 at the time.

"I needed to make money and I was looking for a very easy, not very competitive market, that had a lot of traffic," Mr. Wolfe recalled in a telephone interview last week.

After selling 35,000 copies of an electronic book he wrote on the subject, he turned to selling pills as a more lucrative activity, signing up for the affiliate program of a company that does business as Albion Medical and sells pills under the Vig-RX brand.

Mr. Wolfe sold his site, which now gets more than 40,000 visitors a week, to the company behind Albion, called Leading Edge Marketing, which Mr. Wolfe says is run from Vancouver, British Columbia. "I decided I would rather not be involved in what isn't the most ethical of industries," he said.

Officials of Leading Edge declined to discuss their business, or even their whereabouts, when contacted through their advertising agency, Soho Digital of New York. Their Web site says they are paying marketing affiliates $1 million a month, which if true would mean total sales at least two to three times that.

The federal government, meanwhile, is prevented from clamping down on misleading ads for such products because the law excludes nutritional supplements from having to meet the same standards of safety and effectiveness as drugs. As with other herbal supplements, states are beginning to step into the breach by regulating sales claims and practices regarding these pills.

Last year, CP Direct, the creator of Longitude, was shut down by the attorney general of Arizona after users complained that they were being charged for reorders they did not want and were not receiving credit for refunds. The company had generated $74 million in sales, almost all from Longitude, to more than 350,000 customers over two years.

Still, with all those people buying pills, why don't more men ? or their partners ? complain about misleading claims of penile enlargement?

Mr. Clark, of Herbal Partners, says that his company has sold several hundred thousand bottles and has had fewer than 50 requests for refunds. One reason is that while the pills do not alter physiology, specialists say the concoctions can have a stimulating effect that some people enjoy.

"Right away, you feel an increased sensation and feeling of sexuality," asserted Mr. Gerstein, who says he took his VP-RX for several weeks. And some pills have been found to illegally include the active ingredient of Viagra.

Dr. Banhahahahaha of the Kinsey Institute said there had been a lot of research into yohimbine, a major ingredient in most of the pill formulas. It is a sexual stimulant, he said, "but it is pharmacologically rather messy and not as good as newer drugs."

But the biggest reason complaints are so rare may be the desire to avoid embarrassment.

"Who is going to take a penis pill maker to court," asked Kevin Blatt, a former marketing executive at HerbalO, "and go in front of a jury of their peers to say, `I bought a bottle of pills to enlarge my penis and they didn't work?' "

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally posted by Darren


so its true enlarging your penis means u get all the sexy girls...

haha..so you are blind but you have a big dick. We can work with that

[maxjohan]

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/sh...?threadid=1860

[Darren]

Straight back at you dude:

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/sh...&threadid=1551

[sacX]

Originally posted by maxjohan
http://www.mens-network.com/forum/sh...?threadid=1860

heh thread gone.. someone censoring the bad press?

[Strife]

I've seen penis largement pills being sold at my local supermarket.

[boobmaster]

Darren got the best pills & program out there if you are looking to promote some

I see you brounght one of your bots with you today.

Jesus Christ! Now you're starting to piss me off. I have told you that most webmasters will promote your snake oil anyway and that most insecure males will buy your snake oil anyway. So there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by perpetuating the LIE that your shit is anything but what it is --- SHIT!

[Darren]

Originally posted by boobmaster


I see you brounght one of your bots with you today.

Jesus Christ! Now you're starting to piss me off. I have told you that most webmasters will promote your snake oil anyway and that most insecure males will buy your snake oil anyway. So there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by perpetuating the LIE that your shit is anything but what it is --- SHIT!

perhaps im not doing this to get webmasters but because i know penis enlargement works...

and it does, so why don't u try it u obviously have insecurities posting a thread about it and askin doctors about it etc, be bigger my friend.

[neewwman]

I have used Viagra recreationally and it's a lot of fun. It does make your penis bigger WHILE IT IS IN YOUR BLOODSTREAM. It's the difference between a regular erection and a super rock-hard erection.

If these herbal pills work similar to viagra they could make the more modest claim of a temporary enlargement.

But it's simply not plausible that these temporary enlargements would somehow become permanent.

[LAJ]

I find that looking at naked women helps temporarily enlarge my penis

[boobmaster]

im believe the results I HAVE seen myself and thousands of men have seen and post about... MensNiche as only got products which I KNOW work I would not develop a network around products which do not work. grrr im all argued out for today anyway

You've been giving the same fucking answer in ALL of your posts. "It work cause I seen it myself and my cousin say it work for him too and .... bla bla bla". You want to prove to me that it works? Simple. Answer the following questions:

(1) Who created your 'system' and what is their educational background?
(2) What exactly is in those pills AND what is the rationale for putting them there?
(3) To date, what independent scientific evidence is available to back up your claims?

(NOTE - paying for research like you want to do is a complete waste of money because noone will ever believe the results - if the research isn't done by an independent group with no financial ties to your company, then it's basically junk.)

The HALLMARK of a scam is the so-called 'secret ingredient that ONLY YOUR PRODUCT has'. As I said, probably some Chinese herb, right? If you are not prepared to give specifics about your product, then please don't respond.

It's really very simple. If your crap is legit you should have no problems explaining exactly what is in it and exactly how it works. If not, you'll avoid these issues. (Oh, and you can't use the phrase 'secret ingredient' in your reply).

No reputable researchers will waste a second on your junk. Just be glad that most of the men you scam are too embarrassed to do anything about it. So you can go right along making money ......

BTW, are you a native speaker of English and are you located in the USA? Just wondering...

[Darren]

Originally posted by boobmaster


You've been giving the same fucking answer in ALL of your posts. "It work cause I seen it myself and my cousin say it work for him too and .... bla bla bla". You want to prove to me that it works? Simple. Answer the following questions:

(1) Who created your 'system' and what is their educational background?
(2) What exactly is in those pills AND what is the rationale for putting them there?
(3) To date, what independent scientific evidence is available to back up your claims?

(NOTE - paying for research like you want to do is a complete waste of money because noone will ever believe the results - if the research isn't done by an independent group with no financial ties to your company, then it's basically junk.)

The HALLMARK of a scam is the so-called 'secret ingredient that ONLY YOUR PRODUCT has'. As I said, probably some Chinese herb, right? If you are not prepared to give specifics about your product, then please don't respond.

It's really very simple. If your crap is legit you should have no problems explaining exactly what is in it and exactly how it works. If not, you'll avoid these issues. (Oh, and you can't use the phrase 'secret ingredient' in your reply).

No reputable researchers will waste a second on your junk. Just be glad that most of the men you scam are too embarrassed to do anything about it. So you can go right along making money ......

BTW, are you a native speaker of English and are you located in the USA? Just wondering...

Yawn prove to me it does not work.

[klik]

I like this thread...

I promote penis pills.. I believe that they do work...

Most companies offer a full refund if they aren't satisfied... so if they don't work.. it's up to them to get their money back.. I know I would...

If someone wants to give me proof that they don't work.. I'll stop selling them..
How about you order me a few months worth and I'll tell you what's up