Acacia - Grow Up! - GoFuckYourself.com

JMM · 07-23-2003, 10:16 AM

As president of a company that has actually been sued by Acacia and is currently fighting this battle in court, and as CFO of The IMPA, I personally appreciate the outpouring of support.

However...

Grow up folks. This is a real battle. This is a real threat. They are coming after our BUSINESSES, so ACT like business people.

Threats of physical violence are stupid. They don't do anyone any good. On the contrary, they hurt our cause.

Name calling is stupid. It doesn't do anyone any good. On the contrary, it just makes things worse. It makes us look like exactly what Acacia says, and thinks, we are.

You want to defeat Acacia? Hurt them in their pocket books. Help us fight this battle in court. Help us prove that the patents are invalid. Acacia, the company, will live and die on the backs of these patents. Help us invalidate them and you defeat Acacia.

NOBODY is immune. It doesn't matter where you live. If these patents are not invalidated in court, everyone will be touched by this. Canada, Poland, Zimbabwe, Lichtenstein, it doesn't matter where you live.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. It is the position of the defense group, and The IMPA, that the Acacia patents are invalid. We will fight this battle in the courts to prove our case and protect ourselves, our business, and our industry.

You want to defeat Acacia? Then help us. Legally. Ethically. Smartly.

http://www.impai.org

SleazyDream · 07-23-2003, 10:19 AM

extorsion is extorsion.

whether it's done with a thick necked guy named Gunther or in a court.

and the people who engage in such are skumbags.

goBigtime · 07-23-2003, 10:23 AM

JMM

Maybe you guys should in the very least consider linking all of the associated press clippings re IMPA Vs. Acacia on the IMPAI.ORG site for now -- at least until you get a real site up.

Believe it or not, there are a ton of people (big and small) who don't have a clue what's going on or who Acacia is.

Serge_Oprano · 07-23-2003, 10:25 AM

JMM,
any comments?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=155744
;-)))

JMM · 07-23-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
JMM

Maybe you guys should in the very least consider linking all of the associated press clippings re IMPA Vs. Acacia on the IMPAI.ORG site for now -- at least until you get a real site up.

Believe it or not, there are a ton of people (big and small) who don't have a clue what's going on or who Acacia is.

We are going to do that. The website WILL be up no later than Friday. I guarantee it.

Paul Markham · 07-23-2003, 10:32 AM

It appears they have now sent the marketing/Licensing package to my US office. Well I was in this fight before this and am still in it.

JMM is dead right, why do you think they picked on the Adult Internet and not the Porn Industry? We are going to be the easiast pickings.

Why? we are disorganised and unable to respond to this threat properly. Always remember this is a LEGAL US PATENT until it is changed in court.

You think they will go after Microsoft? Why should they when this industry will make them millions of dollars with little or no risks.

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 11:25 AM

While I understand your points, JMM, the fact this board is called gofuckyourself and half of the names on here are made up and actually well known names here pretending to be other people, the fact anyone would take most of the posts here seriously is ridiculous at best.

I truly do wish cancer upon them, in my darkest of hearts. It doesn't mean I don't take the threat seriously. I haven't had the priveledge of the (alleged) extortion packet, but my attorney is on standby for when I am blessed with the honor.

I realize why ACACIA is going after us...because we as an industry actually make money and we are disorganized....or so it would appear, but they are going to find they fucked with the wrong industry. While some would dismiss this industry as a bunch of cockholsters and fuckups, I've met some of the greatest people Ive met in any industry. People that come from all walks of life, people who've come from rich families and people who were raised in extreme poverty all have made money in this industry.

What happens when ACACIA picks on the wrong company with "family" connections?

While I understand companies wanting to get paid for shit they own, IMHO, ACACIA is going about it the wrong way. They could have made a lot of money by being gentlemen about it but THEY were the ones who started being cocksuckers about this. THEY are the ones that are bringing this rage upon themselves.

So, yeah, I'm a businessman and I handle business in a like fashion, but this is fucking extortion, this isn't business. so, fuck them. I pray they all get cancer of the ass.

It still doesn't mean I'm less serious about this matter and it still doesn't mean my attorney will be any less prepared when I recieve the lucky extortion lottery ticket. I'll still be one pissed of motherfucker. I'm not whining or pissing and moaning, I've just had enough of this type of bullshit.

To quote from one of the greatest movies of all time "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"

Robocop · 07-23-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

What happens when ACACIA picks on the wrong company with "family" connections?

* sigh *

Tell me how comments like these help things?

You fail to understand business. Until proven otherwise, Acacia is legally in a position to do everything they are doing.

Jimmer · 07-23-2003, 11:30 AM

Has anyone from Countries such as Canada recieved a legal opinion on how it will effect us?
In the end, I think they will be defeated as there was streaming media produced before their patents. So lets come out fighting!!!

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Robocop

* sigh *

Tell me how comments like these help things?

You fail to understand business. Until proven otherwise, Acacia is legally in a position to do everything they are doing.

Like it's a fucking secret there is "family" money in this business?

I'm not saying I have those connections, but to act like they aren't in this business is plain ignorant.

MetaMan · 07-23-2003, 11:33 AM

uh yes it does matter where u live,
they can have fun charging a son of a parliment member in poland, they cant there u can get of court case easy when u have family in the parliment with a few dollars, have fun!

JayJay · 07-23-2003, 11:52 AM

Great Post JMM

CDSmith · 07-23-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMM
As president of a company that has actually been sued by Acacia and is currently fighting this battle in court, and as CFO of The IMPA, I personally appreciate the outpouring of support.

However...

Grow up folks. This is a real battle. This is a real threat. They are coming after our BUSINESSES, so ACT like business people.

Threats of physical violence are stupid. They don't do anyone any good. On the contrary, they hurt our cause.

Name calling is stupid. It doesn't do anyone any good. On the contrary, it just makes things worse. It makes us look like exactly what Acacia says, and thinks, we are.

You want to defeat Acacia? Hurt them in their pocket books. Help us fight this battle in court. Help us prove that the patents are invalid. Acacia, the company, will live and die on the backs of these patents. Help us invalidate them and you defeat Acacia.

NOBODY is immune. It doesn't matter where you live. If these patents are not invalidated in court, everyone will be touched by this. Canada, Poland, Zimbabwe, Lichtenstein, it doesn't matter where you live.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. It is the position of the defense group, and The IMPA, that the Acacia patents are invalid. We will fight this battle in the courts to prove our case and protect ourselves, our business, and our industry.

You want to defeat Acacia? Then help us. Legally. Ethically. Smartly.

http://www.impai.org

Very well said.

People.... DONATE: <b>www.impai.org</b> (now!)

Deepundercover · 07-23-2003, 12:10 PM

Sykkboy2, there are no family or Mob or Mafia connections in the sex industry. I've been told that by all the leading players including AVN and the Free Speech Coalition. It must be true.

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deepundercover
Sykkboy2, there are no family or Mob or Mafia connections in the sex industry. I've been told that by all the leading players including AVN and the Free Speech Coalition. It must be true.

hahahahahahaha

see that guys? I was wrong...

also, my post was a rant, not a business discussion...seems some people can't tell the difference...I guess it's back to OCP to be re-programmed with new directives.......

JMM · 07-23-2003, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
While I understand your points, JMM, the fact this board is called gofuckyourself and half of the names on here are made up and actually well known names here pretending to be other people, the fact anyone would take most of the posts here seriously is ridiculous at best.

I truly do wish cancer upon them, in my darkest of hearts. It doesn't mean I don't take the threat seriously. I haven't had the priveledge of the (alleged) extortion packet, but my attorney is on standby for when I am blessed with the honor.

I realize why ACACIA is going after us...because we as an industry actually make money and we are disorganized....or so it would appear, but they are going to find they fucked with the wrong industry. While some would dismiss this industry as a bunch of cockholsters and fuckups, I've met some of the greatest people Ive met in any industry. People that come from all walks of life, people who've come from rich families and people who were raised in extreme poverty all have made money in this industry.

What happens when ACACIA picks on the wrong company with "family" connections?

While I understand companies wanting to get paid for shit they own, IMHO, ACACIA is going about it the wrong way. They could have made a lot of money by being gentlemen about it but THEY were the ones who started being cocksuckers about this. THEY are the ones that are bringing this rage upon themselves.

So, yeah, I'm a businessman and I handle business in a like fashion, but this is fucking extortion, this isn't business. so, fuck them. I pray they all get cancer of the ass.

It still doesn't mean I'm less serious about this matter and it still doesn't mean my attorney will be any less prepared when I recieve the lucky extortion lottery ticket. I'll still be one pissed of motherfucker. I'm not whining or pissing and moaning, I've just had enough of this type of bullshit.

To quote from one of the greatest movies of all time "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"

The FACT remains that they are reading this board (and others) and they ARE taking comments on this board seriously.

What you fail to understand is that the court system is not a bunch of books and ornate buildings. The "court system" is comprised of people. Judges, clerks, bailiff's, etc, etc, etc. If you do have to face Acacia in court, rest assured that comments such as yours will come back to hurt you. If you don't believe that, then you are being naive.

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

Like it's a fucking secret there is "family" money in this business?

I'm not saying I have those connections, but to act like they aren't in this business is plain ignorant.

BP4L

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 12:32 PM

Since my ICQ is lighting up like a christmas tree after my little mini-rant

For the record, I do take the ACACIA threat seriously. I, personally, have not yet been served with their nifty package, so I'm not personally threatened yet. However, I understand the trickle down problems we face.

I have a lot of friends in this business living on very thin margins and can't really afford the 2% (especially retro-actively)

I realize this industry is never going to have a political ally in congress, but that doesn't mean someone should be able to come in and strongarm everyone.

My rant was basically what a lot of people are feeling. Everything I stated was opinion and while I'm sure the ACACIA's boys' mothers find them perfect little angels, I not happy with them or what they are doing (and trying to do). I'm doing legally what I can to protect myself and expete others to do likewise. However, a rant on a board called gofuckyourself is hardly anything to do with the way I do business.

ACACIA already looks at us as a bunch of dogs that need to be shot in the head and put down, a couple profanity-laden rants are hardly going to change that opinion anymore than saying "oh, the guys at ACACIA have huge penises and those guys rock"

Paul Markham · 07-23-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

Like it's a fucking secret there is "family" money in this business?

I'm not saying I have those connections, but to act like they aren't in this business is plain ignorant.

I'm afraid he is right. They use to run the book shops on 42nd street, do you think they are all knuckle heads. Do you know who own some of the magazine publishers?

I don't think in their Southern California Lawyers lives they ever thought of it. They just saw it as a way to get rich.

Paul Markham · 07-23-2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
ACACIA already looks at us as a bunch of dogs that need to be shot in the head and put down, a couple profanity-laden rants are hardly going to change that opinion anymore than saying "oh, the guys at ACACIA have huge penises and those guys rock"

No but it might make the judge think twice. Get real and realise they will use everything and anything they can to win this and remeber they have just been knocked down on the VCHIP patent. These guys are battle hardened and we are on their turf.

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
I'm afraid he is right. They use to run the book shops on 42nd street, do you think they are all knuckle heads. Do you know who own some of the magazine publishers?

I don't think in their Southern California Lawyers lives they ever thought of it. They just saw it as a way to get rich.

yup
and I should probably have reserved that part of my rant for a different post. I have no conncetions nor any personal knowledge of any "family" business in the online porn industry....my question was mroe rhetorical...what happens if they do fuck with someone who doesn't take as kindly to extortion?

Personsally, I have faith in my attorney and I have faith in the IMPA and I know that right will prevail.

MetaMan · 07-23-2003, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MetaMan

they have faster ways to make moola than the net,
like construction biz and drugs.

whoops wrong thread LOL

JMM · 07-23-2003, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

Personsally, I have faith in my attorney and I have faith in the IMPA and I know that right will prevail.

MetaMan · 07-23-2003, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude

Here is to buy a clue.

i had to windows open 1 to the mafia thread and 1 to this thread, i miss read it.

obviously they dont sell drugs LOL!

SykkBoy · 07-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
No but it might make the judge think twice. Get real and realise they will use everything and anything they can to win this and remeber they have just been knocked down on the VCHIP patent. These guys are battle hardened and we are on their turf.

I'm well aware of that. You also have to remember, I have a battle hardened attorney and one who has dealt with chatboard cases. I'm not stating anything other than opinion, I don't know any of the people over at ACACIA nor do I care. I'm not statring anything as fact that might be construed as slanderous.

D-Money · 07-23-2003, 12:55 PM

JMM, you're doing an awesome job representing the IMPA. Props.

I can understand people wanted to speak their minds since the name of the site is GFY. In threads regarding serious issues we should focus our energies.

Whether Acacia is right or wrong, they hold a patent which needs to still be contested in a court. They believe they are right, so they're handing things the way they believe they should.

Most webmasters feel they are wrong.

All we can do for now is learn more about Acacia's claims and learn from IMPA what their claims are.

So on that note, we're talking about this issue in a few minutes with a guest from IMPA, JMM.

http://www.d-moneyshow.com (live)

Mr.Fiction · 07-23-2003, 01:52 PM

JMM, while I appreciate what you are doing and I think you will win, the point of being offensive, rather than defensive, is probably a good one.

Acacia is not going to stop making more and more broader and broader claims until people start suing them and making them pay for the problems they are causing.

They can't just randomly claim anything they want and scare people into signing ridiculous contracts. The more people that sue them, the more that judges and other entities would have to start to look at Acacia's business practices.

Just because you say you have a patent on breathing doesn't mean you can threaten everyone on earth to sign a contract that gives you their first born or you are going to ruin their life.

What about this:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=155852

Scootermuze · 07-23-2003, 03:26 PM

Well.. if they're wanting a portion of the adult industry's money, then they should aslo carry an adult industry tag...

Lots of headlines that their shareholders might find interesting..

"Acacia fights for a piece of the porn pie"

"Acacia goes after a share of porn industry profits"

"Acacia hates porn, but wants porn money"

If they want to make it a porn issue... why not help em out?

07-23-2003, 10:16 AM	#1
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	Acacia - Grow Up! As president of a company that has actually been sued by Acacia and is currently fighting this battle in court, and as CFO of The IMPA, I personally appreciate the outpouring of support. However... Grow up folks. This is a real battle. This is a real threat. They are coming after our BUSINESSES, so ACT like business people. Threats of physical violence are stupid. They don't do anyone any good. On the contrary, they hurt our cause. Name calling is stupid. It doesn't do anyone any good. On the contrary, it just makes things worse. It makes us look like exactly what Acacia says, and thinks, we are. You want to defeat Acacia? Hurt them in their pocket books. Help us fight this battle in court. Help us prove that the patents are invalid. Acacia, the company, will live and die on the backs of these patents. Help us invalidate them and you defeat Acacia. NOBODY is immune. It doesn't matter where you live. If these patents are not invalidated in court, everyone will be touched by this. Canada, Poland, Zimbabwe, Lichtenstein, it doesn't matter where you live. I have said it before, and I will say it again. It is the position of the defense group, and The IMPA, that the Acacia patents are invalid. We will fight this battle in the courts to prove our case and protect ourselves, our business, and our industry. You want to defeat Acacia? Then help us. Legally. Ethically. Smartly. http://www.impai.org

07-23-2003, 10:19 AM	#2
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	extorsion is extorsion. whether it's done with a thick necked guy named Gunther or in a court. and the people who engage in such are skumbags. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

07-23-2003, 10:32 AM	#6
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It appears they have now sent the marketing/Licensing package to my US office. Well I was in this fight before this and am still in it. JMM is dead right, why do you think they picked on the Adult Internet and not the Porn Industry? We are going to be the easiast pickings. Why? we are disorganised and unable to respond to this threat properly. Always remember this is a LEGAL US PATENT until it is changed in court. You think they will go after Microsoft? Why should they when this industry will make them millions of dollars with little or no risks. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-23-2003, 11:25 AM	#7
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	While I understand your points, JMM, the fact this board is called gofuckyourself and half of the names on here are made up and actually well known names here pretending to be other people, the fact anyone would take most of the posts here seriously is ridiculous at best. I truly do wish cancer upon them, in my darkest of hearts. It doesn't mean I don't take the threat seriously. I haven't had the priveledge of the (alleged) extortion packet, but my attorney is on standby for when I am blessed with the honor. I realize why ACACIA is going after us...because we as an industry actually make money and we are disorganized....or so it would appear, but they are going to find they fucked with the wrong industry. While some would dismiss this industry as a bunch of cockholsters and fuckups, I've met some of the greatest people Ive met in any industry. People that come from all walks of life, people who've come from rich families and people who were raised in extreme poverty all have made money in this industry. What happens when ACACIA picks on the wrong company with "family" connections? While I understand companies wanting to get paid for shit they own, IMHO, ACACIA is going about it the wrong way. They could have made a lot of money by being gentlemen about it but THEY were the ones who started being cocksuckers about this. THEY are the ones that are bringing this rage upon themselves. So, yeah, I'm a businessman and I handle business in a like fashion, but this is fucking extortion, this isn't business. so, fuck them. I pray they all get cancer of the ass. It still doesn't mean I'm less serious about this matter and it still doesn't mean my attorney will be any less prepared when I recieve the lucky extortion lottery ticket. I'll still be one pissed of motherfucker. I'm not whining or pissing and moaning, I've just had enough of this type of bullshit. To quote from one of the greatest movies of all time "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

07-23-2003, 12:32 PM	#18
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	Since my ICQ is lighting up like a christmas tree after my little mini-rant For the record, I do take the ACACIA threat seriously. I, personally, have not yet been served with their nifty package, so I'm not personally threatened yet. However, I understand the trickle down problems we face. I have a lot of friends in this business living on very thin margins and can't really afford the 2% (especially retro-actively) I realize this industry is never going to have a political ally in congress, but that doesn't mean someone should be able to come in and strongarm everyone. My rant was basically what a lot of people are feeling. Everything I stated was opinion and while I'm sure the ACACIA's boys' mothers find them perfect little angels, I not happy with them or what they are doing (and trying to do). I'm doing legally what I can to protect myself and expete others to do likewise. However, a rant on a board called gofuckyourself is hardly anything to do with the way I do business. ACACIA already looks at us as a bunch of dogs that need to be shot in the head and put down, a couple profanity-laden rants are hardly going to change that opinion anymore than saying "oh, the guys at ACACIA have huge penises and those guys rock" __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

07-23-2003, 10:23 AM	#3
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	JMM Maybe you guys should in the very least consider linking all of the associated press clippings re IMPA Vs. Acacia on the IMPAI.ORG site for now -- at least until you get a real site up. Believe it or not, there are a ton of people (big and small) who don't have a clue what's going on or who Acacia is.

07-23-2003, 10:25 AM	#4
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	JMM, any comments? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=155744 ;-)))

07-23-2003, 11:30 AM	#9
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	Has anyone from Countries such as Canada recieved a legal opinion on how it will effect us? In the end, I think they will be defeated as there was streaming media produced before their patents. So lets come out fighting!!!

07-23-2003, 11:33 AM	#11
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	uh yes it does matter where u live, they can have fun charging a son of a parliment member in poland, they cant there u can get of court case easy when u have family in the parliment with a few dollars, have fun!

07-23-2003, 11:52 AM	#12
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	Great Post JMM

07-23-2003, 12:10 PM	#14
Deepundercover Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 312	Sykkboy2, there are no family or Mob or Mafia connections in the sex industry. I've been told that by all the leading players including AVN and the Free Speech Coalition. It must be true.

07-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#26
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	JMM, you're doing an awesome job representing the IMPA. Props. I can understand people wanted to speak their minds since the name of the site is GFY. In threads regarding serious issues we should focus our energies. Whether Acacia is right or wrong, they hold a patent which needs to still be contested in a court. They believe they are right, so they're handing things the way they believe they should. Most webmasters feel they are wrong. All we can do for now is learn more about Acacia's claims and learn from IMPA what their claims are. So on that note, we're talking about this issue in a few minutes with a guest from IMPA, JMM. http://www.d-moneyshow.com (live) __________________ Still Ballin'

07-23-2003, 01:52 PM	#27
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	JMM, while I appreciate what you are doing and I think you will win, the point of being offensive, rather than defensive, is probably a good one. Acacia is not going to stop making more and more broader and broader claims until people start suing them and making them pay for the problems they are causing. They can't just randomly claim anything they want and scare people into signing ridiculous contracts. The more people that sue them, the more that judges and other entities would have to start to look at Acacia's business practices. Just because you say you have a patent on breathing doesn't mean you can threaten everyone on earth to sign a contract that gives you their first born or you are going to ruin their life. What about this: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=155852 __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 07-23-2003 at 01:55 PM..

07-23-2003, 03:26 PM	#28
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Well.. if they're wanting a portion of the adult industry's money, then they should aslo carry an adult industry tag... Lots of headlines that their shareholders might find interesting.. "Acacia fights for a piece of the porn pie" "Acacia goes after a share of porn industry profits" "Acacia hates porn, but wants porn money" If they want to make it a porn issue... why not help em out?