Marc De

Time to bust your balls. So you think after they purchase the first site, The surfers first 10 sites listed in the search results page are your sites. Only after they say no those are worthless, and click I want to see more do they get other peoples sites. My suggestion to any webmaster who worries at this point is it is time for new tours if you can not make a sale after 10:))))

Ron C

Ahhh you are doing it differently than I know some others plan to do it. All I know is the time my webmasters (or myself) have the ability to lose a sale because a processor must give options of ALL their sites is the time I pull out. That is just dumb business :(

The squeeze continues :(

BTW - my post was in no way an attempt to bus your balls. I'm peeved at all the card associations right now for quite obvious reasons :)

Thank goodness I've just secured myself as a Tier 1 dialer provider. Alternative billing methods will continue to rise. Oh, BTW, I have something you might want in terms of alternative payment solutions. I'll grab you in Flordia :)

I heard some of our competitors we not as creative:))) I think the saying was "It would be easier to pay by carrier pigeon than to use their system."

I guess Time will tell. CCBill has always prided itself as being an innovator like ARS

Absolutely lets talk in FL.

Ron C

I hope that someone is seriously working on more alternative payment systems for the long term, because one of these days Mastercard and Visa are going to make rules that kill more sales than just finding some other way for people to pay.

What are we all worried about? Nobody will use it anyway. Think about it. Your customer has just been seduced by your incredible previews, is as horny as can be, and is anxious to get into your members area. They couldn't give a damn about going looking somewhere else after they've already decided they want into your site. I'd say there might be 1 percent of these customers that might give this "continue shopping" option a second thought. Now these 1 percent go over to a search engine that only produces randomly generated results and if I'm not mistaken they don't even get to see the site. They're expected to buy a membership to a site sight unseen. When is the last time you bought a membership based entirely on a search engine description? So now of this 1 percent that went to the search engine maybe .01 percent might buy! Add to this that mastercard purchases are maybe only 15 percent of all online purchases. Consider also that the only cutomers that might fall into this upsell are only those few that actually decided to buy on your site. All things considered you might have one sale per year through this search engine. The conversion ratio would be laughable. Look at this for what it is. It's just CCBill being forced into using a useless feature in order to comply with mastercard regulations.

RonC I think CCBill needs to introduce different payment solutions for different cards.

Like pay 29.99 with Mastercard but if you use your VISA pay only 27.99.

This might get more flexibility to the webmasters deciding with card company has fucked them over the most.

Ron,

Loved your segment on the YNOT Bob show today. Very informative. :thumbsup

I think the MC thing is a positive change to all of the knives Visa has been throwing at us lately.

Thanks:)))

Ron C

Always something new in the air.

I don't see a link here to any master card requirements. It sure sounds like a ccbill set up. CCbill certainly came up with a "solution" really quickly. It works for them and I think it is a pile of shit and another way for them to lock webmasters into their system and make more money. This is way, way too fishy for words.:ak47:

You just aren't that bright are you?

Thats probably the dumbest shit I have heard in about a year.

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

I think this is a very creative way to deal with these new regs.

I also have to agree with a post I read earlier saying you will more than likely never lose a sale based on the continue shopping feature. Fact is they want the porn and if your tour did its job they are horny and want to wack it. So they will simply click the complete this purchase button and start wackin.


Ron nice work over there. I think its great. You guys have obviously put alot of thought, time and effort into this. All I can say is well done.


For those ccbill clients who havent watched the demo do it. It will answer all of your questions about this.

Hehe so now u have a shaver, a scrubber and a skimmer all in one tidy package! :1orglaugh

SO now CCBill is like The Hun's Yellowpages of non-free porn...? :glugglug :1orglaugh

I guess you don listen a lot. Open your eyes and ears. Smell the coffee, the roses or your own farts. But at least listen

Hi J's good to see you here.

what does that matter... mastercard fines you for refunding the customer to.. .doesn't matter if they charge back or want a refund.. you still get fucked

Thank you CCBill for having some class.

Much better than the "yes somethings coming, yes we know what it is, no we're not gonna tell you what just yet" nonsense that the dipshits at IBill decided to pull.

RonC:

Thanks for making yourself available and answering questions!

I like CCBill even more and getting the idea! We are in the "ticket biz"! Nice!! :thumbsup

Exactly my thoughts. It's called "poor website usability" and it will increase chargebacks.

MC is doing this because it "looks" like other brick and mortar models of doing business, but it's not. This was decided by some idiot who doesn't understand the web.

This turns CCBill into something like a huge AVS system: surfers are sent there to be billed, a % will get lost in the shopping area (thus the system has traffic), where they will buy memberships to other sites (yours). If done right it will increase sales overall, but it will also increase chargebacks for reasons stated above.

Overall, this sucks.

What I think some of you fail to realize is that the surfer doesn't get to the 'mall' with CCBill until they've made their purchase, unlike another system apparently...

Yes at least with CCbill the first purchase is final before they're presented with other options.

With the "other guy's system" the first purchase is put in a shopping cart while they browse around for other stuff.
Then when they check out they can clear the first item from the cart and just buy the second one.

Traffic leak? That's a fucking submarine.

This clearly is the most important point. If the IPSP doesn't complete the sale before moving to the cart, the solution sucks and it will cost you business. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter that much.

Well folks there is another option drop MC , remember when the Visa $750 thing came up. They said you cant just have MC, most charges on the net are done by Visa. So if thats the case, the MC option maybe isnt needed .When I think about it in my wallet I have 3 visa's, two mc's and a checking account. If I was a surfer without the MC option I have lots of choices how to pay. Also as stated by Ron in a earlier post the third party billers had a option to have their clients register with MC for $1500. I dont know about you but thats what I was hoping for and I am curious why the big 3 didnt come to their clients and let them know whats happening. I see this mall becoming a charge back nightmare. I love this business been in it for almost 4 yrs and everyday its becoming less and less fun. Also if a surfer gets fucked joining some other site while joining mine. He wont say the third party processor fucked him or the other site for that matter, he will say my site fucked him because I brought him there and people keep forgeting surfers arent smart.

Tony,

The $1500 fee for the regisatation covers the Visa and Mastercard first year fee. This is for having your own merchant account. I know CCbill is on top of it and will always offer the best options for their business model and clients. They have always been in compliance.

Mitch

He said

2. Register every customer like Paypal and pay $1500 each

:thumbsup

On the merchant account/gateway side, the Visa registration is $500 and Mastercard is $1000.

Mitch

Thanks Mitch

Everyone is going to have to play by the same rules. The other system does not require that the surfer continue shopping, it just gives them the option or they can go straight to checkout.

The reality is that both companies that have announced MC changes will tweak their system based on what MC will let them do and what is working for the the other guy. IMO, they will look very similiar in the near future.

Yessir - I said that. So far as I read that CCBill thing, I lose control of the traffic that has deservedley been earned. I believe in quality traffic and they are not only stealing it but polluting the traffic environment.

I went looking for MCs terms of service and such on their website - but I couldn't find anything.

Whoever did reply gave me a genero response and a 3 letter sig. If MasterCard can't be honest and open, even for their $4/hr. help, then there is a huge problem.

I suppose they aren't held accountable by anyone anyway :)

Cheers,
/Allister

but what did they reply ?