I got my ACACIA BULLSHIT in the mail today about my videos - GoFuckYourself.com

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:23 PM

It looks like they are begenning to turn their heads towards us smaller people.. We really dont have that much video.

But these people ( if that is what you want to call them ) are asking for a shit load of money!

Projected Gross Sales Initial Prepaid Royalty
$1 to $ 50,000 $1,500
$50,001 to $100,000 $3,000
$100,001 to $250,000 $5,000
250,001 to 500,000 $10,000

up into the 10,000,000 $200,000

And they have the brass balls to say that they will be at internext in Miami??? They are not very smart people.

I know a few people that I will spill my drinks on over and over again!

Robocop · 07-21-2003, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy

And they have the brass balls to say that they will be at internext in Miami??? They are not very smart people. I know a few people that I will spill my drinks on over and over again!

You sound like an idiot. Rather than be hostile, perhaps its time you came to grips with reality.

Why not approach them and explain your problems with their licensing scheme?

Or will you act like a child all your life?

Project-Shadow · 07-21-2003, 12:28 PM

Acacia Suck Dick ^^

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:31 PM

Hey robo moron...

Have you ever heard of sarcasm???

Or is that above your IQ?

And do your self a favor, get out of this business while you can, because talking like that to someone you dont know will not help you.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:32 PM

Yes project they do..

We heard that they have people surfing the net looking for people with video content...

Robocop · 07-21-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
And do your self a favor, get out of this business while you can, because talking like that to someone you dont know will not help you.

Thanks for the tip!

You sir, are an inspiration.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:34 PM

If you only knew.

Gemini · 07-21-2003, 12:35 PM

I guess the question should be, WHO sold them spaced and WHY? If no one did, have them escorted out.

Adult Site Traffic · 07-21-2003, 12:35 PM

They're just fighting to keep from going down the tubes man, can't blame them.

Wait just a bit, and you'll be able to buy their stock shares cheaper than Charmin

AST 121760557

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:39 PM

actually their stock is only 1.50$ per...

So i guess that even with the tons that they promised the share holders did not help to make a diff...

But I think that I will buy some of the stock... Maybe like 51%

Robocop · 07-21-2003, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
If you only knew.

lets not try to make a user vomit....mmmkay?

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 12:49 PM

Why are you even on this board??

Do you have any idea what it is about??

Or better yet, do you have any idea??

Based on what you have in your sig, you dont have one!

Kimmykim · 07-21-2003, 01:03 PM

All you guys that are getting these should get together and make sure they are sending out the same demands for volume.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 01:07 PM

Hey Kimmy,
I posted on the CE chat board about getting it, because they had a post sometime back that any webmaster that wanted to get with them on it should contact them.. So we are waiting to see where they are with it..

The funny thing is that the package that was sent is vague, and they do not give a deadline... I think that they are probably playing the game of, We gave you the time and now you owe 10X more!!!

OneHungLo · 07-21-2003, 01:22 PM

Are they going after anyone with video or anyone that streams video?

stocktrader23 · 07-21-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
actually their stock is only 1.50$ per...

So i guess that even with the tons that they promised the share holders did not help to make a diff...

But I think that I will buy some of the stock... Maybe like 51%

Haha, maybe all the porn companies should be banning together to buy up stock instead of fighting in court.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 01:27 PM

I think that it is streaming.. They have purchased the patents on a lot of things and now own the technology for streaming video...

I also just fond in the package that it includes download also...

Robocop · 07-21-2003, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Haha, maybe all the porn companies should be banning together to buy up stock instead of fighting in court.

that has been going around quite a bit lately.

how many people already have this in their portfolio?

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 01:32 PM

Robo what do you mean???

The type of content?? Video??

Most people have it.. So it will come down to when this company takes the time to go after everyone.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 01:33 PM

As for the stock, most likly no one has it... Yet!

fishhead · 07-21-2003, 02:30 PM

i have TGP video galleries with downloadable MPEGS. I'm sure I'm getting this letter because of where I have bought my content in the past, but I'm not streaming the vids, they are for download.

fuck this company.

tony286 · 07-21-2003, 02:33 PM

Anything to do with video they got from zips to streams.

quiet · 07-21-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
I think that it is streaming.. They have purchased the patents on a lot of things and now own the technology for streaming video...

I also just fond in the package that it includes download also...

yes, downloadable and streaming.

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 02:35 PM

If anyone else has gotten this go to

impai.org

They are trying to get everyone together to fight against this!

dchottie · 07-21-2003, 02:47 PM

ok someone explain this to me since I haven't gotten a packet yet from these guys nor have I seen the documents inside it.

Is it affecting anyone that provides streaming or downloadable content on their site regardless of whether it is owned content or leased content?

If you lease the content from Company X are they going after both you and Company X or are they going after the content provider solely or the web sites solely?

I'm sure this has been explained in other threads but I just want the short version of the answer....

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 03:20 PM

dchottie,

It has nothing to do with the content... About 1/4 of the content that we have I shot. it has to do with the method of delivery...
Digital delivery that these guys managed to get a us patent on.

dchottie · 07-21-2003, 04:03 PM

I understand it's about the method of delivery but what i'm getting at *sorry I wasn't more clear* who are they aiming at?

example: We lease streaming video from company x is acacia going to come after us for payment or the company we are leasing it from? or both

Serious jd · 07-21-2003, 04:13 PM

how can they have a patent on downloadable movies, wouldn't apple hold the patent on .mov files and such?

excuse me if i am ignorant.

Serious jd · 07-21-2003, 04:15 PM

i just read the new posts.. so they have a patent on downloading certain things? is that even possible? whats the difference between downloading a .mpg file and a large text file or a program?

FlyingIguana · 07-21-2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
I think that it is streaming.. They have purchased the patents on a lot of things and now own the technology for streaming video...

I also just fond in the package that it includes download also...

downloads? so if they have a patent on downloads wouldn't that include anything thats downloaded?

zzgundamnzz · 07-21-2003, 04:29 PM

I was reading an article. Seems there not just going after us adult webmasters. There also going after people that stream music

http://www.chillingeffects.org/ecom/...?ResourceID=72

pornJester · 07-21-2003, 04:30 PM

here's some more info for those of you that aren't too familiar with Acacia...

http://www.webmastervault.com/tip-acacia-1.shtml

meghan187 · 07-21-2003, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
Yes project they do..

We heard that they have people surfing the net looking for people with video content...

So if you have a mpeg or wmv you are at fault?

Plugger · 07-21-2003, 05:13 PM

I got mine and then this happend:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030716/165180_1.html

Not sure what we will do . . .

AWC · 07-21-2003, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
Yes project they do..

We heard that they have people surfing the net looking for people with video content...

Is there an Acacia affiliate program?

Sly_RJ · 07-21-2003, 05:43 PM

Look everybody! Al Gore invented the Internet!

AdultKing · 07-21-2003, 05:46 PM

Have the extortionists at Acacia gone after anyone outside the USA ?

Sly_RJ · 07-21-2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OzMedia
Have the extortionists at Acacia gone after anyone outside the USA ?

I don't think they can. At least not Canada and Europe. But it still presents problems for many people.

Time to go offshore?

directfiesta · 07-21-2003, 05:48 PM

Quote:

The CombiMatrix Group presentation and Q&A will precede the Acacia Technologies Group presentation and Q&A session.

To listen to the presentation by phone, dial (800) 838-4403 for domestic callers and (973) 317-5319 for international callers. A replay of the audio presentation will be available for 30 days at (800) 428-6051 for domestic callers and (973) 709-2089 for international callers, both of whom will need to enter the code 301111 when prompted.

The call is being webcast by CCBN and can be accessed at Acacia's website at www.acaciaresearch.com.

Do you think Acacia is infriging other peoples patent by making their presentation available on phone lines.

Who has those patents???

Arty · 07-21-2003, 05:48 PM

Their claims also seems to cover Macromedia's flash..

As you can embed video into it now.. Or even without video it's practicaly the same thing because it always streams..

I wonder if they would go after them too..

Sly_RJ · 07-21-2003, 05:50 PM

Does Microsoft have any stock in adult? They need to sue Microsoft, then it would be all over.

Brujah · 07-21-2003, 05:59 PM

Settling so far we have:

VoiceMedia

and this group

VCA - Babenet
Alchemy
White Sands

Any others ?

TheSaint · 07-21-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AWC

Is there an Acacia affiliate program?

07-21-2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I don't think they can. At least not Canada and Europe. But it still presents problems for many people.

Time to go offshore?

Apparently Quiet received a package and he is in Canada.

Scootermuze · 07-21-2003, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Does Microsoft have any stock in adult? They need to sue Microsoft, then it would be all over.

They may in time..

right now they're applying a typical chicken shit strategy..
Go after the little guys and the porn industry to get a few wins established, then ease up the ladder to the bigger fish once the courts have ruled in their favor by defaults and due to jurors who don't like porn...

pornguy · 07-21-2003, 06:17 PM

We will be getting with our attorney right after we get back from internext.

I promise to post any info that we get that may help anyone and everyone.

If we, ( the adult webmaster community ) are not very careful, this entire way of life will be ripped out from under us.

Porn2Rock · 07-21-2003, 06:19 PM

CE has settled with Acacia.

But they also stipulated that if the patent is ruled to be invalid, their settlement agreement is void.

PerfectionGirls · 07-21-2003, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Why not approach them and explain your problems with their licensing scheme?

Sausage · 07-21-2003, 06:52 PM

Bring their patent claims to Australia and see how they do!

You have to ask some serious questions of a system that allows a company to claim 'ownership' of what essentially is internet hosted videos and music. Others have said the same thing, but I still find it amusing. If they win, and keep winning due to legal precident it could rip the internet as we know it a new asshole.

homegrownmof · 07-21-2003, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I don't think they can. At least not Canada and Europe. But it still presents problems for many people.

Time to go offshore?

What makes you so sure? Have you heard this from your attorney?

If you do biz in the US, whether you're a Canadian or European corp, it looks like they will pursue you. I believe they also have patents, or applications, in long list of countries.

Contact spike at homegrownvideo.com if you have questions. He has spent more time with real life attorneys on this than anyone I know.

07-21-2003, 12:23 PM	#1
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I got my ACACIA BULLSHIT in the mail today about my videos It looks like they are begenning to turn their heads towards us smaller people.. We really dont have that much video. But these people ( if that is what you want to call them ) are asking for a shit load of money! Projected Gross Sales Initial Prepaid Royalty $1 to $ 50,000 $1,500 $50,001 to $100,000 $3,000 $100,001 to $250,000 $5,000 250,001 to 500,000 $10,000 up into the 10,000,000 $200,000 And they have the brass balls to say that they will be at internext in Miami??? They are not very smart people. I know a few people that I will spill my drinks on over and over again! __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Hey robo moron... Have you ever heard of sarcasm??? Or is that above your IQ? And do your self a favor, get out of this business while you can, because talking like that to someone you dont know will not help you. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 12:32 PM	#5
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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	actually their stock is only 1.50$ per... So i guess that even with the tons that they promised the share holders did not help to make a diff... But I think that I will buy some of the stock... Maybe like 51% __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Why are you even on this board?? Do you have any idea what it is about?? Or better yet, do you have any idea?? Based on what you have in your sig, you dont have one! __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 01:03 PM	#13
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	All you guys that are getting these should get together and make sure they are sending out the same demands for volume.

07-21-2003, 01:07 PM	#14
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Hey Kimmy, I posted on the CE chat board about getting it, because they had a post sometime back that any webmaster that wanted to get with them on it should contact them.. So we are waiting to see where they are with it.. The funny thing is that the package that was sent is vague, and they do not give a deadline... I think that they are probably playing the game of, We gave you the time and now you owe 10X more!!! __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 01:22 PM	#15
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Are they going after anyone with video or anyone that streams video?

07-21-2003, 01:27 PM	#17
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I think that it is streaming.. They have purchased the patents on a lot of things and now own the technology for streaming video... I also just fond in the package that it includes download also... __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 01:32 PM	#19
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Robo what do you mean??? The type of content?? Video?? Most people have it.. So it will come down to when this company takes the time to go after everyone. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 01:33 PM	#20
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07-21-2003, 02:30 PM	#21
fishhead Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 211	i have TGP video galleries with downloadable MPEGS. I'm sure I'm getting this letter because of where I have bought my content in the past, but I'm not streaming the vids, they are for download. fuck this company.

07-21-2003, 02:33 PM	#22
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Anything to do with video they got from zips to streams.

07-21-2003, 02:35 PM	#24
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	If anyone else has gotten this go to impai.org They are trying to get everyone together to fight against this! __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 02:47 PM	#25
dchottie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 894	ok someone explain this to me since I haven't gotten a packet yet from these guys nor have I seen the documents inside it. Is it affecting anyone that provides streaming or downloadable content on their site regardless of whether it is owned content or leased content? If you lease the content from Company X are they going after both you and Company X or are they going after the content provider solely or the web sites solely? I'm sure this has been explained in other threads but I just want the short version of the answer.... __________________

07-21-2003, 03:20 PM	#26
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	dchottie, It has nothing to do with the content... About 1/4 of the content that we have I shot. it has to do with the method of delivery... Digital delivery that these guys managed to get a us patent on. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

07-21-2003, 04:03 PM	#27
dchottie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 894	I understand it's about the method of delivery but what i'm getting at sorry I wasn't more clear who are they aiming at? example: We lease streaming video from company x is acacia going to come after us for payment or the company we are leasing it from? or both __________________

07-21-2003, 04:13 PM	#28
Serious jd Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 103	how can they have a patent on downloadable movies, wouldn't apple hold the patent on .mov files and such? excuse me if i am ignorant.

07-21-2003, 04:15 PM	#29
Serious jd Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 103	i just read the new posts.. so they have a patent on downloading certain things? is that even possible? whats the difference between downloading a .mpg file and a large text file or a program?

07-21-2003, 04:29 PM	#31
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	I was reading an article. Seems there not just going after us adult webmasters. There also going after people that stream music http://www.chillingeffects.org/ecom/...?ResourceID=72 __________________

07-21-2003, 04:30 PM	#32
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07-21-2003, 05:48 PM	#40
Arty Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 880	Their claims also seems to cover Macromedia's flash.. As you can embed video into it now.. Or even without video it's practicaly the same thing because it always streams.. I wonder if they would go after them too..

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Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Bring their patent claims to Australia and see how they do! You have to ask some serious questions of a system that allows a company to claim 'ownership' of what essentially is internet hosted videos and music. Others have said the same thing, but I still find it amusing. If they win, and keep winning due to legal precident it could rip the internet as we know it a new asshole. __________________ IW Skype : blance8888 Icq : 15567120