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xxxdesign-net · 07-21-2003, 09:20 AM

What does that mean concretely:

10mbit plan? 10Mbit Port ? 100Mbit Port ?

uncapped, unmetered, burstable?

10mbit plan... Does it have anything to do with how much bandwidth I can use per second? Or does it have to do with how much gigs of bandwidth I can use in a month... ?

Kapitan Ivanov · 07-21-2003, 09:29 AM

keyDet79 · 07-21-2003, 09:39 AM

8 Bits form 1 Byte (a bit is a '0' or a '1'). So 1mbit is theoretically 125KB/s, which is about 3200GB/mo in practice. 10Mbit capped means you can never go over 10mbps, 1.25MB/s. Uncapped with a 100Mbit burstable means you can have peaks of up to 100mbps.

Dopy · 07-21-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
What does that mean concretely:

10mbit plan? 10Mbit Port ? 100Mbit Port ?

uncapped, unmetered, burstable?

10mbit plan... Does it have anything to do with how much bandwidth I can use per second? Or does it have to do with how much gigs of bandwidth I can use in a month... ?

Because hosting companies use the word bandwidth so freely people often get confused when trying to work out the difference between how much you are allowed to transfer each much and the actual bandwidth capability of the connection supplied to you.

BANDWIDTH

1. The numerical difference between the upper and lower frequencies of a band of electromagnetic radiation.

2 .The amount of data that can be passed along a communications channel in a given period of time.

xxxdesign-net · 07-21-2003, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by keyDet79
8 Bits form 1 Byte (a bit is a '0' or a '1'). So 1mbit is theoretically 125KB/s, which is about 3200GB/mo in practice. 10Mbit capped means you can never go over 10mbps, 1.25MB/s. Uncapped with a 100Mbit burstable means you can have peaks of up to 100mbps.

ok, so for exemple, on your site, 10mbit is the total average I can use in a month.. around 3200gigs total... and 100Mbit Burstable Port (no cap) is the max I can use per second?

If im listed on the hun for exemple with a movie gallery... how much mbit/sec do you think i might use?

JohnnyUtah · 07-21-2003, 10:54 AM

Depends onyour listing.
Ive seen customers pull 5 Mbits/sec
and some on paid listings 12 Mbits/sec

It all depends on where your gallery is, type (movies/pics)

Some of the tgp guru's out here can help you out even more...

liquidmoe · 07-21-2003, 11:02 AM

Paying per megabit or per gig will also give you varying rates. Depending on whether your traffic is stable throughout the course of a month or whether it spikes and peaks and varies. Also 1 megabit = 320 gigs only at full usage, means you would need to have a 1 megabit line capped at 1 megabit and always maxing out to push that much. A much more practical real world usage is around 280 gigs for a megabit. But again this all depends on your pricing and whether you choose per megabit, per gig, or capped.

keyDet79 · 07-21-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

ok, so for exemple, on your site, 10mbit is the total average I can use in a month.. around 3200gigs total... and 100Mbit Burstable Port (no cap) is the max I can use per second?

If im listed on the hun for exemple with a movie gallery... how much mbit/sec do you think i might use?

This plan is called the 10Mbit Special, you are allowed to do 3000 gigs through it (95%) like it says. And yes, you can do 100mbit per second max, note that in practice the P4 won't be able to handle that kind of traffic. We can also cap you at 10Mbit so you don't have to worry about overage.

xxxdesign-net · 07-21-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by keyDet79

This plan is called the 10Mbit Special, you are allowed to do 3000 gigs through it (95%) like it says. And yes, you can do 100mbit per second max, note that in practice the P4 won't be able to handle that kind of traffic. We can also cap you at 10Mbit so you don't have to worry about overage.

but why would I care about overage if you allow me to do 100mbit per second? Or do I need to pay a fee if I have peek over 10mbit/s ?

xxxdesign-net · 07-21-2003, 01:28 PM

keyDet79 · 07-21-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

but why would I care about overage if you allow me to do 100mbit per second? Or do I need to pay a fee if I have peek over 10mbit/s ?

No you pay overage fees of about $50 per mbit (300 gigs) if you go over 3000 gigs in one month, unless it's purchased in bulk and paid for in advance. You can contact me to discuss it.

Jeffery · 07-21-2003, 02:34 PM

One thing to keep in mind about mbit or the more widely used term Mbps is the type of billing:

capped
95th percentile
average

For these examples, I'll use 10Mbps as the base:

Capped means you can transfer a maximum of 10Mbps at anytime. That is a max of about 3000 gigs per month. However, in reality, you CANNOT transfer 3000 gigs on this package. Your site would have to be maxed out 24 hours per day all month, meaning dropped packets which means traffic loss. In our experience, you can use 2,200 gigs per month as a max without any slowdown in service.

95th percentile bills for your maximum sustained traffic "Minus the top 5%". This is the way hosting providers are normally billed and therefor like to bill their customers. 95th percentile billing depends alot on your bandwidth consistency. If you have high peaks daily, you will have a higher 95th. If you do have high peaks, it is better for you to go on an average or per-gig billing package. 1Mbps on the 95th will typically average between 190 and 240 gigs per month.

Average billing is directly related to per-gig. 1Mbps = 320 gigs

Hope this helps. Sorry about the lengthy message, just decided to start typing for some reason.

Pipecrew · 07-21-2003, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeffery
One thing to keep in mind about mbit or the more widely used term Mbps is the type of billing:

capped
95th percentile
average

For these examples, I'll use 10Mbps as the base:

Capped means you can transfer a maximum of 10Mbps at anytime. That is a max of about 3000 gigs per month. However, in reality, you CANNOT transfer 3000 gigs on this package. Your site would have to be maxed out 24 hours per day all month, meaning dropped packets which means traffic loss. In our experience, you can use 2,200 gigs per month as a max without any slowdown in service.

95th percentile bills for your maximum sustained traffic "Minus the top 5%". This is the way hosting providers are normally billed and therefor like to bill their customers. 95th percentile billing depends alot on your bandwidth consistency. If you have high peaks daily, you will have a higher 95th. If you do have high peaks, it is better for you to go on an average or per-gig billing package. 1Mbps on the 95th will average between 190 and 240 gigs per month.

Average billing is directly related to per-gig. 1Mbps = 320 gigs

Hope this helps. Sorry about the lengthy message, just decided to start typing for some reason.

This is good stuff, I wish i could of found posts like this when i wanted to figure this stuff out along time ago.

webair · 07-21-2003, 03:39 PM

here ya go...it's alot but its accurate =)

Billing Methods Explained:

There are three common types of billing methods that IPPs generally use to bill their dedicated server customers; the "95th percentile", "bandwidth average", and "per gigabyte" based billing. All have their distinct advantages though we feel that the "95th percentile" method is the most balanced overall method.
Let's start with the "per gigabyte" based billing. Anyone familiar with "shared server" hosting is likely to be quite familiar with this type of billing. Quite simply, log files are kept of your web activity throughout the month and then at the end of the month you pay a specific charge for each gigabyte of data you transferred.

"per gigabyte" based billing usually includes both your incoming and outgoing data transfer -- so if you transfer 3000 gigabytes of outgoing transfer and 1000 gigabytes of incoming transfer then you are billed for a total of 4000 gigabytes of transfer.

The second common method of billing is "bandwidth capped". With this type of billing you select a bandwidth "cap" (usually in increments of 1 megabit per second) and you are restricted from transferring data beyond your "cap" amount. For instance, if you purchased a 20 megabit bandwidth cap then your web sites are free to transfer as much data as they need, up to 20 megabits per second. If you try to transfer beyond 20 megabits per second then your traffic is "slowed down" so that you cannot break the 20 megabit per second barrier.

"bandwidth average" based billing is usually for a "full duplex" network connection. This means that if you purchase a 20 megabit per second connection then you can transfer 20 megabits of incoming transfer and 20 megabits of outgoing transfer at the same time.

The "95th percentile" based billing is sort of a hybrid between the previous two billing methods. Throughout the month your incoming and outgoing bandwidth is graphed in five minute intervals. Every five minutes your transfer is totaled for the previous five minutes and an average transfer rate is derived. From that data a graph is created to show you your "real-time" bandwidth usage:

- Real-Time Bandwidth Graphs (updated every five minutes)

For example, if during the five minute interval you had 300 megabytes of outgoing transfer and 30 megabytes of incoming transfer your average outgoing transfer rate would be 8 megabits and your average incoming transfer rate would be 0.8 megabits. For reference, 8 megabits equals 1 Megabyte of data transferred every second (multiplied out for 300 seconds -- five minutes -- you get a total of 300 Megabytes of data transferred).

After the five minute samples are calculated the lowest of the two samples (usually the incoming data sample) is tossed out and the highest of the two samples (usually the outgoing data sample) is kept. This in effect gives you free incoming data transfer since the smaller of the data samples is tossed out completely.

At the end of 30 days we have 8,640 samples. At that time the top 5% of the samples (432 samples -- 36 hours worth) are tossed out. You are then billed on the highest remaining sample. This gives you 36 hours of transfer for free (as well as already having half of the samples tossed out). You get the "free" incoming bandwidth of "bandwidth valved" based billing as well as the burstability of "per gigabyte" billing. The best of both worlds.

"95th Percentile" versus "Bandwidth Valved"
The largest advantage of "bandwidth valved" billing is the predictable monthly costs. If you buy 20 megabits of bandwidth then you are charged for exactly 20 megabits of bandwidth.
There are, however, several drawbacks to "bandwidth valved" billing. The single largest drawback is the fact that you need to "buy to the peak". The traffic patterns for all web sites are filled with peaks and valleys. No web site in the world transfers a steady amount of bandwidth.

If, for instance, you have a web site that transfers around 8 megabits per second during the off-peak hours but bursts to around 20 megabits during the busy period of the day then you'll want to make sure you purchase 20 megabits if you're purchasing "valved" bandwidth. If you purchase less than 20 megabits -- say perhaps 15 megabits -- then your web sites will run noticeably slower during the peak times.

To make matter worse, when you purchase 15 megabits and your web sites are only doing 8 megabits in the off-peak times you are in effect paying for bandwidth that you are not using.

That leaves you in the situation where your web sites run slower during the peak times because you didn't purchase enough bandwidth and then you're paying for unused bandwidth in the off-peak times.

This is where the advantages of the 95th percentile billing shine. Because your bandwidth is not valved in any way, your web sites are free to burst to "full fast ethernet speed" during the peak times -- if it bursts to 20 or 25 megabits then that is what is sampled and recorded -- but during the off-peak times you'll only be paying for 8 megabits. You do not need to worry about having to "upgrade" your service just because you plan on increasing your usage later on in the month, and it takes the guess-work out of trying to figure out exactly how much bandwidth you really need.

Then, at the end of the month, your top 5% of the samples are tossed out. You get 36 hours of free transfer and you do not have to buy extra bandwidth just to sustain your peak times.

When it's all said and done, at the end of the month you may have had to purchase 20 megabits of "valved" bandwidth, but your 95th percentile may only be 13 megabits.

Combining Bandwidth Valving with 95th Percentile Billing
Looking for the predictability of valved bandwidth with the burstable connectivity of 95th percentile? No problem. All of our virtual servers have bandwidth valving capabilities built-in. If you have a web site that transfers between 10 and 20 megabits, for example, we can valve that virtual server at 20 megabits to insure that you never exceed the 20 megabit threshold. The billing will continue to be on the 95th percentile, so if at the end of the month your 95th percentile shows your bandwidth usage at 13 megabits you pay for only 13 megabits.
This gives you a virtual "ethernet pipe" and guarantees that your transfer will not exceed that amount -- just as with bandwidth valving -- along with the superior pricing model of the 95th percentile billing.

enjoy

xxxdesign-net · 07-21-2003, 04:06 PM

Thanks to everyone posting ! Good stuff!

07-21-2003, 09:20 AM	#1
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keyDet79 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,109	8 Bits form 1 Byte (a bit is a '0' or a '1'). So 1mbit is theoretically 125KB/s, which is about 3200GB/mo in practice. 10Mbit capped means you can never go over 10mbps, 1.25MB/s. Uncapped with a 100Mbit burstable means you can have peaks of up to 100mbps. __________________ Multihomed quality BW for less ICQ 51034232 - MSN [email protected] - Email keydet(at)vibehosting.com Last edited by keyDet79; 07-21-2003 at 09:42 AM..

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07-21-2003, 02:34 PM	#12
Jeffery Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Awgtrade Posts: 485	One thing to keep in mind about mbit or the more widely used term Mbps is the type of billing: capped 95th percentile average For these examples, I'll use 10Mbps as the base: Capped means you can transfer a maximum of 10Mbps at anytime. That is a max of about 3000 gigs per month. However, in reality, you CANNOT transfer 3000 gigs on this package. Your site would have to be maxed out 24 hours per day all month, meaning dropped packets which means traffic loss. In our experience, you can use 2,200 gigs per month as a max without any slowdown in service. 95th percentile bills for your maximum sustained traffic "Minus the top 5%". This is the way hosting providers are normally billed and therefor like to bill their customers. 95th percentile billing depends alot on your bandwidth consistency. If you have high peaks daily, you will have a higher 95th. If you do have high peaks, it is better for you to go on an average or per-gig billing package. 1Mbps on the 95th will typically average between 190 and 240 gigs per month. Average billing is directly related to per-gig. 1Mbps = 320 gigs Hope this helps. Sorry about the lengthy message, just decided to start typing for some reason. __________________ icq: 20427689 AWGTrade - Free C-coded traffic management system Last edited by Jeffery; 07-21-2003 at 02:42 PM..

07-21-2003, 10:54 AM	#6
JohnnyUtah Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 826	Depends onyour listing. Ive seen customers pull 5 Mbits/sec and some on paid listings 12 Mbits/sec It all depends on where your gallery is, type (movies/pics) Some of the tgp guru's out here can help you out even more...

07-21-2003, 11:02 AM	#7
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	Paying per megabit or per gig will also give you varying rates. Depending on whether your traffic is stable throughout the course of a month or whether it spikes and peaks and varies. Also 1 megabit = 320 gigs only at full usage, means you would need to have a 1 megabit line capped at 1 megabit and always maxing out to push that much. A much more practical real world usage is around 280 gigs for a megabit. But again this all depends on your pricing and whether you choose per megabit, per gig, or capped.

07-21-2003, 03:39 PM	#14
webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	here ya go...it's alot but its accurate =) Billing Methods Explained: There are three common types of billing methods that IPPs generally use to bill their dedicated server customers; the "95th percentile", "bandwidth average", and "per gigabyte" based billing. All have their distinct advantages though we feel that the "95th percentile" method is the most balanced overall method. Let's start with the "per gigabyte" based billing. Anyone familiar with "shared server" hosting is likely to be quite familiar with this type of billing. Quite simply, log files are kept of your web activity throughout the month and then at the end of the month you pay a specific charge for each gigabyte of data you transferred. "per gigabyte" based billing usually includes both your incoming and outgoing data transfer -- so if you transfer 3000 gigabytes of outgoing transfer and 1000 gigabytes of incoming transfer then you are billed for a total of 4000 gigabytes of transfer. The second common method of billing is "bandwidth capped". With this type of billing you select a bandwidth "cap" (usually in increments of 1 megabit per second) and you are restricted from transferring data beyond your "cap" amount. For instance, if you purchased a 20 megabit bandwidth cap then your web sites are free to transfer as much data as they need, up to 20 megabits per second. If you try to transfer beyond 20 megabits per second then your traffic is "slowed down" so that you cannot break the 20 megabit per second barrier. "bandwidth average" based billing is usually for a "full duplex" network connection. This means that if you purchase a 20 megabit per second connection then you can transfer 20 megabits of incoming transfer and 20 megabits of outgoing transfer at the same time. The "95th percentile" based billing is sort of a hybrid between the previous two billing methods. Throughout the month your incoming and outgoing bandwidth is graphed in five minute intervals. Every five minutes your transfer is totaled for the previous five minutes and an average transfer rate is derived. From that data a graph is created to show you your "real-time" bandwidth usage: - Real-Time Bandwidth Graphs (updated every five minutes) For example, if during the five minute interval you had 300 megabytes of outgoing transfer and 30 megabytes of incoming transfer your average outgoing transfer rate would be 8 megabits and your average incoming transfer rate would be 0.8 megabits. For reference, 8 megabits equals 1 Megabyte of data transferred every second (multiplied out for 300 seconds -- five minutes -- you get a total of 300 Megabytes of data transferred). After the five minute samples are calculated the lowest of the two samples (usually the incoming data sample) is tossed out and the highest of the two samples (usually the outgoing data sample) is kept. This in effect gives you free incoming data transfer since the smaller of the data samples is tossed out completely. At the end of 30 days we have 8,640 samples. At that time the top 5% of the samples (432 samples -- 36 hours worth) are tossed out. You are then billed on the highest remaining sample. This gives you 36 hours of transfer for free (as well as already having half of the samples tossed out). You get the "free" incoming bandwidth of "bandwidth valved" based billing as well as the burstability of "per gigabyte" billing. The best of both worlds. "95th Percentile" versus "Bandwidth Valved" The largest advantage of "bandwidth valved" billing is the predictable monthly costs. If you buy 20 megabits of bandwidth then you are charged for exactly 20 megabits of bandwidth. There are, however, several drawbacks to "bandwidth valved" billing. The single largest drawback is the fact that you need to "buy to the peak". The traffic patterns for all web sites are filled with peaks and valleys. No web site in the world transfers a steady amount of bandwidth. If, for instance, you have a web site that transfers around 8 megabits per second during the off-peak hours but bursts to around 20 megabits during the busy period of the day then you'll want to make sure you purchase 20 megabits if you're purchasing "valved" bandwidth. If you purchase less than 20 megabits -- say perhaps 15 megabits -- then your web sites will run noticeably slower during the peak times. To make matter worse, when you purchase 15 megabits and your web sites are only doing 8 megabits in the off-peak times you are in effect paying for bandwidth that you are not using. That leaves you in the situation where your web sites run slower during the peak times because you didn't purchase enough bandwidth and then you're paying for unused bandwidth in the off-peak times. This is where the advantages of the 95th percentile billing shine. Because your bandwidth is not valved in any way, your web sites are free to burst to "full fast ethernet speed" during the peak times -- if it bursts to 20 or 25 megabits then that is what is sampled and recorded -- but during the off-peak times you'll only be paying for 8 megabits. You do not need to worry about having to "upgrade" your service just because you plan on increasing your usage later on in the month, and it takes the guess-work out of trying to figure out exactly how much bandwidth you really need. Then, at the end of the month, your top 5% of the samples are tossed out. You get 36 hours of free transfer and you do not have to buy extra bandwidth just to sustain your peak times. When it's all said and done, at the end of the month you may have had to purchase 20 megabits of "valved" bandwidth, but your 95th percentile may only be 13 megabits. Combining Bandwidth Valving with 95th Percentile Billing Looking for the predictability of valved bandwidth with the burstable connectivity of 95th percentile? No problem. All of our virtual servers have bandwidth valving capabilities built-in. If you have a web site that transfers between 10 and 20 megabits, for example, we can valve that virtual server at 20 megabits to insure that you never exceed the 20 megabit threshold. The billing will continue to be on the 95th percentile, so if at the end of the month your 95th percentile shows your bandwidth usage at 13 megabits you pay for only 13 megabits. This gives you a virtual "ethernet pipe" and guarantees that your transfer will not exceed that amount -- just as with bandwidth valving -- along with the superior pricing model of the 95th percentile billing. enjoy __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected]

07-21-2003, 04:06 PM	#15
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Thanks to everyone posting ! Good stuff!