The US has NO intelligence!

[directfiesta]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...999737,00.html

The spies who pushed for war

Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force

...a complete breakdown in US intelligence that helped steer America into war.

...the White House, which stands accused of politicising and contaminating its own source of intelligence.

...senior members of the administration created a shadow agency of Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defence Intelligence Agency.

The agency, known as the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

and more in Israel!

It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad - a highly professional body - was prepared to authorise.

WAr was decided BEFORE the UN mascarade:

In the days after September 11, Mr Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, mounted an attempt to include Iraq in the war against terror. When the established agencies came up with nothing concrete to link Iraq and al-Qaida, the OSP was given the task of looking more carefully.

Nice going...

[&nbsp]

STFU NOOB!

[andi_germany]

I have always pointed that out but only now most of the US guys are waking up.

[eroswebmaster]

Honestly...why do you guys care so much?

It's not like random posters finding and posting this shit on a daily basis...it's the same ones.

You guys are like stalkers...the USA is going to have to file for a restraining order or something.

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
You guys are like stalkers...the USA is going to have to file for a restraining order or something.

LOL...

SpaceAce

[theking]

Until the Select Intelligence Committees of the US Congress concludes its investigation everything being reported is speculation. The Senate is holding closed hearings now and have public hearings scheduled for September. In the meantime the idiots and US bashers will continue to post their speculative BS.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking
Until the Select Intelligence Committees of the US Congress concludes its investigation everything being reported is speculation. The Senate is holding closed hearings now and have public hearings scheduled for September. In the meantime the idiots and US bashers will continue to post their speculative BS.

One item at a time, so you don't get confused.. lol:

IS "Office of Special Plans (OSP)" speculative or BS ?

or is WMD speculative or BS?

Which one is more BS ?

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Honestly...why do you guys care so much?

Top dog.

[KRL]

[SYNIKAL]

Originally posted by KRL

[Pleasurepays]

[galleryseek]

bush is the man

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by theking
Until the Select Intelligence Committees of the US Congress concludes its investigation everything being reported is speculation. The Senate is holding closed hearings now and have public hearings scheduled for September. In the meantime the idiots and US bashers will continue to post their speculative BS.

Read what the UK enquiry found.

You read it and totally ignored it, no answer to the truth?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=152572

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by directfiesta


One item at a time, so you don't get confused.. lol:

IS "Office of Special Plans (OSP)" speculative or BS ?

or is WMD speculative or BS?

Which one is more BS ?

it seems that you are confused. Americans dont really care. the majority of people thought Saddam Hussein should have been shot in the face during Desert Storm. Instead, ultra-left pussies decided that "containment" would be the best policy... so they ended up capping off Saddams long and glorious career of genocide and murder with continued oppression, murder, terrorism and a really sweet 15% mortality rate for children under 5 for more than a decade. great job!

if you haven't noticed, Americans dont care right now. WMD's or not. No one cares. Not because they are stupid. Not because they are brainwashed... but because they are tired of policies that enable people like this to exist and thrive.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays


it seems that you are confused. Americans dont really care. the majority of people thought Saddam Hussein should have been shot in the face during Desert Storm. Instead, ultra-left pussies decided that "containment" would be the best policy... so they ended up capping off Saddams long and glorious career of genocide and murder with continued oppression, murder, terrorism and a really sweet 15% mortality rate for children under 5 for more than a decade. great job!

if you haven't noticed, Americans dont care right now. WMD's or not. No one cares. Not because they are stupid. Not because they are brainwashed... but because they are tired of policies that enable people like this to exist and thrive.

Everybody is happy that Sadaam Hussein is out of power ( even tough the US were pretty buddy-buddy in the 80's),. Even more, the world would be happier if he and his sons were found and tried for crimes against humanity in an INTERNATIONAL court, not in a US-Guantanomo masquerade. Nuremberg is a good example of how it can be done.

This said, and I know that a lot of right wingers cannot separate issues, this invasion was done under false pretenses, destroying the credibility of the US , political relations with former allies and an International organisation ( the UN).

If the real goal was to topple the regime and bring Sadaam to justice, why didn't the US just say so. Why the lies and deceptions?

PS: if you can find Osama, I am sure he could find a seat in the same court.

[loverboy]

you reffering to Bush?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Everybody is happy that Sadaam Hussein is out of power ( even tough the US were pretty buddy-buddy in the 80's),. Even more, the world would be happier if he and his sons were found and tried for crimes against humanity in an INTERNATIONAL court, not in a US-Guantanomo masquerade. Nuremberg is a good example of how it can be done.

This said, and I know that a lot of right wingers cannot separate issues, this invasion was done under false pretenses, destroying the credibility of the US , political relations with former allies and an International organisation ( the UN).

If the real goal was to topple the regime and bring Sadaam to justice, why didn't the US just say so. Why the lies and deceptions?

PS: if you can find Osama, I am sure he could find a seat in the same court.

"the invasion was done under false pretenses"

according to who? people who supported the war... or people who opposed the war from day 1?

what false pretenses? you are talking about a couple pieces of poor intelligence and trying to extrapolate that to mean that there was no case for doing something with Saddam Hussein?

The international community clearly had no intention of seeing Saddam gone. 4 Resolutions were "last chance" resolutions... and he just said "fuck you" at every turn. Yet, you say you are "happy" that he is gone. you dont sound "happy" - you sound bitter, emotional, insecure and defeated - more commonly defined as "liberal"

[dirtyone]

Thank you drive through.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by directfiesta


If the real goal was to topple the regime and bring Sadaam to justice, why didn't the US just say so. Why the lies and deceptions?

if your real goal is to just make money in porn... why dont you just tell surfers upfront:

"the members area will be a dissapointment, the content sucks, the design is lacking, the members area is never updated and overall, the site is pretty neglected... because quite honestly, i am too busy milking people like you for every cent i can to do something that you will be pleased with"

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays


Yet, you say you are "happy" that he is gone. you dont sound "happy" - you sound bitter, emotional, insecure and defeated - more commonly defined as "liberal"

Too bad you cannot read , aside from what is not written...

Reading my mind???

Pleasurepays is:

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays


if your real goal is to just make money in porn... why dont you just tell surfers upfront:

I do:

- Size of site
- Quantityof photos
- Quantity of videos, lenght, formats
- Numbers and which plug-ins
- Frequency of updates


and more important:

PRICE

and

DURATION.

[Pleasurepays]

i am not reading your mind. your words were "everybody is happy that..." - you did not say "everybody but arrogant people from some Canadian province that refuse to speak Canadian"

so what is your position? you are not happy Saddam is gone? 12 years of him slaughtering his own people was not enough for you? mass graves of 1000's of people being dug up now is not enough for you? you have a better plan than that nasty, lying and impossibly stupid president that seems to be quite popular in the US?

you were probably VERY against the war before it happened, you probably questioned the motivations (guessing you were one of the "its all about the oil" morons) before the war. You denouced invading Iraq and did not miss a chance to say "see, i told you so" - but what is your position? a 15% infant mortality rate was acceptable? machine gunning opposition protests from Helicopters was ok? supporting Palestianian terrorists who blow up innocent men, women and children is ok? refusing to account for all his weapons programs on top of a long history of deception and denial and lies was ok? gassing his own people and killing entire villages was ok? stealing and spending billions on new palaces from money from the oil for food program was ok?

what do you stand for? what is your genius and painless solution to resolve the issue?

... oh thats right! you dont have one. you just casually criticize those that are doing something.

i understand the world does not like war.

but the world is an imperfect place, full of imperfect situations where the only choices are sometimes between the lessor of two evils.


since you have so many bad things to say about the USA, why dont you stop promoting what ever the fuck is in your sig? thats kinda contradictory right? "USA sucks, USA sucks... but let me sell you a US LLC"?

[directfiesta]

You obviously can't read or comprehend and are definitively a fucking racist.

I wil leave to your own dillusions and wanderings.

GFY

[theking]

Originally posted by charly
Read what the UK enquiry found.

You read it and totally ignored it, no answer to the truth?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=152572

Clueless...I do not read in the report any conclusions from an official investigative body. Point out to me where that BBC report is anything other than the musings of a reporter?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by directfiesta
You obviously can't read or comprehend and are definitively a fucking racist.

I wil leave to your own dillusions and wanderings.

GFY

thats the first time i have been called racist. i have been called "******" "spook" "spear chucker" and a whole lot of other mean things... but never racist.

i am sure that if you were capable of an intelligent response, you would have posted by now... so i am leaving you to your endless rants about why the USA sucks and going to sleep.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by directfiesta


This said, and I know that a lot of right wingers cannot separate issues, this invasion was done under false pretenses, destroying the credibility of the US , political relations with former allies and an International organisation ( the UN).

what relations are strained? last i heard, Kofi Anon and the EU among other were asking the US to get involved in Liberia. Does not sound like a lack of credibility to me. Do you read or watch all the news? or just pick out weak propoganda that supports your "i hate america" views?

what is the political fallout right now of Iraq.. today? (besides French whining daily on BBC that Americans are not spending enough tourist dollars in France and their economy is still in the shitter)

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays


if you haven't noticed, Americans dont care right now. WMD's or not. No one cares. Not because they are stupid. Not because they are brainwashed... but because they are tired of policies that enable people like this to exist and thrive.

That's why the latest polls NOW show that the MAJORITY of Americans do not think Bush is handling the Iraqi situation very well, and his overall popularity as President is plummeting??

[theking]

Originally posted by Centurion


That's why the latest polls NOW show that the MAJORITY of Americans do not think Bush is handling the Iraqi situation very well, and his overall popularity as President is plummeting??

What "polls"...what were the specific questions that were asked by the pollsters?

Links to the "polls" taken please?

[Centurion]

Originally posted by theking


What "polls"...what were the specific questions that were asked by the pollsters?

Links to the "polls" taken please?

Watch the major news networks sometime! (And pay attention)Abc, Nbc, Cbs all had ver similiar poll results on last nites news as well as on Chris Matthew's "Hardball" and CNN's Lou Dobb's "MoneyLine".

[afrocreep]

fucking morons. do you really expect them to share sensitive top-secret intelligence with the general public? YOUR ON THE NEED-TO-KNOW BASIS, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW.

[Jakke PNG]

The US is a single entity?

[Matt M]

All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!!!!

[ChrisH]

The anti American morons will never shut there holes!!

That said, I supported the war from the begining, but it is becoming aparent that Bush did talk up the wmd's more then they should have been. As was said above, I thought the fuck should have been taken out in the Gulf War, but that's beside the point. I would have supported the war on Saddams track record alone. Bogus info is not the way to get me or fellow Americans to support anything!!

The point is now, when someone says CIA, George Tenet, or The NSA says, "blah blah blah". The world and many Americans are going to be very hesitant to beleive them. It is important for Bush to come clean right now, but he is passing the buck. This will come back to bite him in the ass in 04!!!

[slackologist]

Originally posted by ChrisH
The anti American morons will never shut there holes!!

I think the majority of people you see posting Vs the Iraq war are not Anti American, just Anti GWB Administration and thier actions alone.

There is a difference and you should be able to see it.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by ChrisH
The anti American morons will never shut there holes!!

And speaking of people who go "blah blah blah"..being against the war is NOT anti-American!

[Webby]

slackologist:

I think the majority of people you see posting Vs the Iraq war are not Anti American, just Anti GWB Administration and thier actions alone.

There is a difference and you should be able to see it.

The "quality" of this thread is a fucking disgrace. There is more than enough questions hanging over Iraq and the US - many knew the answers long before any war.

Agree! Some are so fucking dim they would not know whether an elephant fucked em in the ass. I for one, am not one bit "anti US", but I'd be shitting my pants and getting fast out if an idiot like Bush was running my place!

This Admin is a total joke - it has been since taking office. Looks like some are totally blind and have no clue - that's the "disturbing" bit!!

[Why]

i dont and never have felt that iraq posed any sort of threat to my existance or freedom. If we tightened up our borders and focused on our own problems maybe we wouldnt have to fuck with the rest of the world. them fucking terrorirsts would not have been here had be been covering our ass. but it was a long time comin, we be fucking with a lot of countries for a long time, and are an easy target.

course there is the theory that bush administration allowed it all to happen to get a better control of america, on a route to the "new world order" of singular government..

[Rochard]

And here we go again about Iraq......

The United States and Iraq has been in defacto state of war since the close of the Gulf war. It's pretty simple: Iraq was shooting at us, and we shot back. WMD makes no fucking difference.

[Mr. Jim]

OMG you did it you solved the whole thing!!!!!

Lets just turn off the lights here

oh....fuck you douche bag!!!!

everytime you whine like this you make yourself look like a little hahahaha

yeah the evil c word

like it will ever change a thing

this just in....

douche bag canadian webmaster posts dribble of how war was a bad thing...changes world....creates world peace....gets U.S. chip off shoulder....

back to you Joque

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by RocHard
And here we go again about Iraq......

The United States and Iraq has been in defacto state of war since the close of the Gulf war. It's pretty simple: Iraq was shooting at us, and we shot back. WMD makes no fucking difference.

Are you fucking kidding me?

So to you, if we don't at the very least dig containers of chemicals out of the desert, it's NO BIG DEAL????

Were you paying attention as the conflict built up??

The US Credibility is on the line here! Fuck any current sitting President!! They come and go as they should. But this will be around for sometime to come.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by RocHard
And here we go again about Iraq......

The United States and Iraq has been in defacto state of war since the close of the Gulf war. It's pretty simple: Iraq was shooting at us, and we shot back. WMD makes no fucking difference.

That is so fucking funny!

[pyro]

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

exactly.

[theking]

Originally posted by Centurion


That is so fucking funny!

You are laughing at what? What he said is in part the truth...after 12 years of their BS we just got tired of fucking with them and this in part is one of multiple reasons that the US invaded. WMD's/materials was also just a part of the public face put forth for the invasion...though a major part.

The Congressional Select Intelligence Committees...will be the determiners about the truth of the Administration as pertains to WMD's/materials, or if there was a massive intelligence failure. If there is an intelligence failure it certainly is not the first time nor will it be the last time.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by theking


You are laughing at what? What he said is in part the truth...after 12 years of their BS we just got tired of fucking with them and this in part is one of multiple reasons that the US invaded. WMD's/materials was also just a part of the public face put forth for the invasion...though a major part.

The Congressional Select Intelligence Committees...will be the determiners about the truth of the Administration as pertains to WMD's/materials, or if there was a massive intelligence failure. If there is an intelligence failure it certainly is not the first time nor will it be the last time.

YOU are so fucking stupid!

[theking]

Originally posted by Centurion


YOU are so fucking stupid!

That really is funny coming from a kid that is almost as clueless as clueless Charly. Your pilot light just does not burn very bright.

[Webby]

theking:

You are laughing at what? What he said is in part the truth...after 12 years of their BS we just got tired of fucking with them and this in part is one of multiple reasons that the US invaded. WMD's/materials was also just a part of the public face put forth for the invasion...though a major part.

The Congressional Select Intelligence Committees...will be the determiners about the truth of the Administration as pertains to WMD's/materials, or if there was a massive intelligence failure. If there is an intelligence failure it certainly is not the first time nor will it be the last time.

Now that genuinely is the most ridiculous post from someone who is "supposed" to be an adult.

"after 12 years of their BS..." DUH?

"multiple reasons that the US invaded... " DUH? Tell the public what they are! The rest of the world knows this and ain't interested in playing US games without the UN. (Remember that org.. the "irrelevant" one)


"The Congressional Select Intelligence Committees...will be the determiners about the truth of the Administration as pertains to WMD's/materials.." Is this to satisfy some US citizens or something? You don't know the truth when it is hitting you in the face, - you have had this shit going on even before 9/11!


"If there is an intelligence failure..." You think this is possible??
No, it sure ain't the first time - you want the catalogue of incompetence, naivity, downright stupidity and a course in perversity?? I know one guy who would love to put a bullet in the brain of two "US Intelligence" people who freaked out and fucked up on several occasions and left him in the shit - they don't visit him these days - they know what to expect.

All your crap about the US is more than a joke - you are a fucking embarassment to others in the US!

[theking]

Originally posted by Webby
theking:



Now that genuinely is the most ridiculous post from someone who is "supposed" to be an adult.

"after 12 years of their BS..." DUH?

"multiple reasons that the US invaded... " DUH? Tell the public what they are! The rest of the world knows this and ain't interested in playing US games without the UN. (Remember that org.. the "irrelevant" one)


"The Congressional Select Intelligence Committees...will be the determiners about the truth of the Administration as pertains to WMD's/materials.." Is this to satisfy some US citizens or something? You don't know the truth when it is hitting you in the face, - you have had this shit going on even before 9/11!


"If there is an intelligence failure..." You think this is possible??
No, it sure ain't the first time - you want the catalogue of incompetence, naivity, downright stupidity and a course in perversity?? I know one guy who would love to put a bullet in the brain of two "US Intelligence" people who freaked out and fucked up on several occasions and left him in the shit - they don't visit him these days - they know what to expect.

All your crap about the US is more than a joke - you are a fucking embarassment to others in the US!

And in your case your pilot light is completely out...assuming that it was ever on in the first place.

[Webby]

Shit.. more stupid crap one liners ya can predict from an idiot with a "view"..

Sheesh.. you are an embarassment! I can think of a good few in the US who would tell ya to go fuck yourself

[Centurion]

The King..

he makes the case FOR abortion!!

[TheFLY]

The internet will survive all this crap... We just need to keep it real -- ya heard me?