You greedy ungrateful bastards.....YES YOU

[Snake Doctor]

I'd like to personally tell all of the people whining about lower payouts and begging for lists of sponsors who aren't making any changes to FUCK OFF!!

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?
Charging $40-50 subscription fees, multiple pre-checked cross sales, console hell on every tour, not to mention spamming the living shit out of their member's emails to try and make a buck or two.

Stuff like this is the reason VISA is breathing down our necks and sponsors who continue to operate in this fashion just so they can win the biggest payout dick measuring contest won't be in business for very long I assure you.

You can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.

[Choker]

I rarely agree with you, but you are right on target with this

[Mike AI]

Well said Lenny!!

[easyfun]

You hit the nail right on the head!

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by Choker
I rarely agree with you, but you are right on target with this

Nice to see you're getting wiser with age

[Dopy]

[easyfun]

I have already said this in an earlier post - This new ruling will give the surfer confidence to purchase memberships again.

[SKULL]

The list keeps growing......

[loverboy]

keep it going, your on the right track dude!

[SunTzu]

Well said. The people bitching about lowered payouts don't give a shit about the business, just their wallet here and now. You have to think past your own ass.

You think the 1% rule is bad? How would you like to lose recurring memberships? Or Visa/MC all together? It's time to clean up our act before they do it for you (again).

[GoGoBar]

Intellegent Posts!!!

*checking URL*... Did I go to the wrong board?

[dantheman]

good post lenny

[delia]

You are really upset now, aren't you?

[Marcus]

Originally posted by Lenny2

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?
Charging $40-50 subscription fees, multiple pre-checked cross sales, console hell on every tour, not to mention spamming the living shit out of their member's emails to try and make a buck or two.

werd, I joined 3 different sites this week all run by big players and 2 of them really sucked.

1 was an interracial site and I had to dig around in order to find any interracial movies, I couldn't believe it.

And I got hit with the small text pre-checked cross sales and I was pissed when I saw the charge on my credit card I didn't even know about.

[Rich]

The most fucked up part is that they actually believe some companies will just keep the payouts the same and make less money. Shave % and pay rate are relative, one way or another your paychecks are going to get smaller.

[Rich]

Originally posted by easyfun
I have already said this in an earlier post - This new ruling will give the surfer confidence to purchase memberships again.

Don't expect that to happen overnight, it will take years.

[SKULL]

Originally posted by delia
You are really upset now, aren't you?

I think they are all getting upset cuz people keep saying they will send their traffic elsewhere...

[SKULL]

Originally posted by Marcus


werd, I joined 3 different sites this week all run by big players and 2 of them really sucked.

1 was an interracial site and I had to dig around in order to find any interracial movies, I couldn't believe it.

And I got hit with the small text pre-checked cross sales and I was pissed when I saw the charge on my credit card I didn't even know about.

Maybe instead of lowering rates they should improve the quality of their sites... is not really the webmasters fault but theirs... It looks to me like they are taking it on us...

[chowda]

Originally posted by easyfun
I have already said this in an earlier post - This new ruling will give the surfer confidence to purchase memberships again.

NEWSFLASH: PORN BUYERS KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT THESE REGULATIONS

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by SKULL


I think they are all getting upset cuz people keep saying they will send their traffic elsewhere...

Personally I don't give 2 shits where you send your traffic. I don't own any paysites or per sign up programs.

[Jakke PNG]

Fuck the surfer, I did.

[funkmaster]

Originally posted by Lenny2

You can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.

... you can still rape a skined sheep, can´t you ?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by chowda


NEWSFLASH: PORN BUYERS KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT THESE REGULATIONS

No they don't, but they will feel the end result of them.
They join a site for 2.95, they don't like it and cancel.

Next month when the credit card statement comes in there's a charge for 2.95, and there's NOT $100 worth of charges for shit they didn't know about.

They'll be more likely to join another site or two after that....and with lower monthly membership fees the odds of them having two or more memberships simultaneously increases.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by funkmaster


... you can still rape a skined sheep, can´t you ?

What's scary about that question is that you probably know from your own experience.......Mr I have to reboot to make your consoles stop popping

[Brujah]

So it's the webmasters fault, not the sponsors who fuck the surfers over ?

[Brujah]

Originally posted by Rich
The most fucked up part is that they actually believe some companies will just keep the payouts the same and make less money. Shave % and pay rate are relative, one way or another your paychecks are going to get smaller.

Rich, we're not all that dumb. Most of us know to test the sponsors, and stick with the one that sends us the biggest paycheck at the end of the week regardless of what their #'s say.

[blazin]

Originally posted by Lenny2
.............by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?

Yep - thats gotta hurt

[BlackCrayon]

i wish everyone would drop cross sales, i know im going to avoid sponsors who use them now.

[docjohnson]

Originally posted by chowda


NEWSFLASH: PORN BUYERS KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT THESE REGULATIONS

Bingo!

This will level the field for those smaller sponsors who have been running a tight ship since the ghetgo and can afford to keep up the payments. I know I'll be sending much more traffic to them.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Brujah
So it's the webmasters fault, not the sponsors who fuck the surfers over ?

The blame has to go somewhere. I saw some sponsor mention a big problem with chargebacks was the fraudulent webmasters. So, of course, they blame webmasters for CB ratios instead of acknowledging that their sites may just suck ass.

[Brujah]

$55 per signup, $20 per signup.. whatever.. 1:20 ratios, 1:2000 ratio's..

IGNORE all that nonsense.

Try both, keep the one that actually pays you more at weeks end.

[docjohnson]

Originally posted by Lenny2


No they don't, but they will feel the end result of them.
They join a site for 2.95, they don't like it and cancel.

Next month when the credit card statement comes in there's a charge for 2.95, and there's NOT $100 worth of charges for shit they didn't know about.

They'll be more likely to join another site or two after that....and with lower monthly membership fees the odds of them having two or more memberships simultaneously increases.

And who's fault is chargin them $100 dollars worth of fees? That's fraud on the sponsors part. Period. Just because they promise a webmaster a $35 signup doesn't justify raping the surfer to do it. Perhaps they should have been looking long and hard at other ways to sell the surfer to justify those numbers. So far the only excuse I've heard is "We never should have been paying that much in the first place" instead of using their damn skulls to come up with a feasable business solution.

The companies practices are especially becoming apparent as a few sponsors (you know who you are) have announced that it is business as usual in spite of the new regulations. I applaud you all.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by SKULL


Maybe instead of lowering rates they should improve the quality of their sites... is not really the webmasters fault but theirs... It looks to me like they are taking it on us...

The quality of the sites is only a small part of the equation.

What do you think they're taking out on you? Do you think you should get paid more for your traffic than its worth?

There was a time when a sign up was worth $35 easy..both the affiliate and the sponsor made a healthy profit with no cross sales and modest exit consoles.

Quality is not the reason retention is down....ARS has more content in their members areas now than they ever have, yet recurring is at an all time low.

Why? Competition.

If you're the only resturaunt in town, odds are the townspeople are going to eat at your place and eat there often.
But what if a new resturaunt opens up? Now they don't eat at your place every night, they get to try something new.
Now what if 1000 new resturaunts open up?

The consumer has so many choices he never has to eat in the same place twice.
The same is true of our business....there is so much more porn out there for the surfer to consume than there was 2 years ago its ridiculous.
They used to stay members of a site because there weren't many other options, now they have unlimited options so they spend a few days here and a few days there.

The problem with this and payouts is that as the value of a member dwindled, paysite owners knew that if they lowered payouts they'd lose their webmaster base, just like alot of webmasters are jumping ship now.
So they came up with other ways to squeeze revenue out of every click and watched their margins shrink month after month.....and that's what got us in the mess we're in.

[ToBad]

Well said Lenny.


Just look at SilverCash site Cum Cheeks
http://cumcheeks.com CC join page:

https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup...4&writeCache=1

What a fuck are they charging?

First surfer can select 3 day trial for $ 1.85 or $29.73 for 30 days!

Then they have autoselect membership marked as "Today's Special!" subscription to Date For Fun at a price of $0.00 for 4 days (trial) then $29.62 recurring every 30 days..

Not all Surfer will read this so no wonder way Silvercash have
high chargebackrate and need to lower the webmasters payout
per signup.

[easyfun]

Brujah - You are part of the hole that is causing the ship to sink.

Time to bale out or adjust to change.

When I first started in this business, surfers with cc's would buy 5-10 memberships every week.
Now they buy one - Period.

You want to kill this industry right now?

Visa is trying to regulate an industry we can not do ourselves - And it is about FUCKING time we did.

[SiMpLe]

Originally posted by GoGoBar
Intellegent Posts!!!

*checking URL*... Did I go to the wrong board?

LOL GoGoBar


Well said Lenny2

[oldtimer]

Originally posted by Brujah
So it's the webmasters fault, not the sponsors who fuck the surfers over ?

Havnt you read the posts? Sponsors only ass fucked surfers so they could pay you more for your traffic than it was worth. They weren't doing it to make money for themselves!

Makes you wonder, If our traffic is so overpriced, why do they all want it so bad?

[LA Mike]

Originally posted by Lenny2
I'd like to personally tell all of the people whining about lower payouts and begging for lists of sponsors who aren't making any changes to FUCK OFF!!

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?
Charging $40-50 subscription fees, multiple pre-checked cross sales, console hell on every tour, not to mention spamming the living shit out of their member's emails to try and make a buck or two.

Stuff like this is the reason VISA is breathing down our necks and sponsors who continue to operate in this fashion just so they can win the biggest payout dick measuring contest won't be in business for very long I assure you.

You can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.

Lenny. Amen

[Brujah]

Oh poor sponsors. I'm so sorry. Please, just give me $1. I realize it's all my fault that you had to fuck the surfers and ruin the industry. You didn't really want to pull the trigger, but I made you. Will you ever forgive me ?

Give me a break.

[SpeakEasy]

Well said Lenny

[Brujah]

Originally posted by easyfun
Brujah - You are part of the hole that is causing the ship to sink.

Time to bale out or adjust to change.

When I first started in this business, surfers with cc's would buy 5-10 memberships every week.
Now they buy one - Period.

You want to kill this industry right now?

Visa is trying to regulate an industry we can not do ourselves - And it is about FUCKING time we did.

Bullshit.

Just because I'm going to send my traffic to the sponsor that pays me the most, does NOT mean they have to fuck the surfer to do it.

Why do they do it ? Because they WANTED to do it. They want marketshare. They want money. It's a competition between sponsors. Don't blame this bullshit on the webmasters.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by Brujah
Oh poor sponsors. I'm so sorry. Please, just give me $1. I realize it's all my fault that you had to fuck the surfers and ruin the industry. You didn't really want to pull the trigger, but I made you. Will you ever forgive me ?

Give me a break.

Nobody here has clean hands Brujah.

If you sent traffic to the programs pulling the sneaky shit then you're just as guilty as them.

[Triple 6]

Originally posted by Marcus


werd, I joined 3 different sites this week all run by big players and 2 of them really sucked.

1 was an interracial site and I had to dig around in order to find any interracial movies, I couldn't believe it.

And I got hit with the small text pre-checked cross sales and I was pissed when I saw the charge on my credit card I didn't even know about.

processed through Paycom/Epoch, yes?

[Brujah]

Originally posted by oldtimer


Havnt you read the posts? Sponsors only ass fucked surfers so they could pay you more for your traffic than it was worth. They weren't doing it to make money for themselves!

Makes you wonder, If our traffic is so overpriced, why do they all want it so bad?

Unfortunately, you don't always know who is being honest about their business plan with you or not.

Maybe I haven't paid close enough attention. Tell me who the "bad sponsor" is and who the "good sponsor" is so I can do the right thing, and be a responsible webmaster.

[easyfun]

Bullshit.
Just because I'm going to send my traffic to the sponsor that pays me the most, does NOT mean they have to fuck the surfer to do it.

Dahhhhhhhh!

You ain't got it, have you?

[sweetcuties]

brilliant, absolutely fuckin brillant

[Brujah]

Originally posted by easyfun

Dahhhhhhhh!

You ain't got it, have you?

Or maybe you don't, eh brainiac ? Did you miss the part where I mentioned above that I'm not looking for the $55 per signup or $70 per signup ? The $20 per signup is just fine with me if that's what converts the best when week is up.

[docjohnson]

Fuck it, we can piss around all month with this bullshit. Bottomline, I'd bet my months salary this isn't going to fly with the webmasters who've suddenly lost $10 a SU. These webmasters ARE going to send their traffic to the place they make the most money. If that happens to be a sponsor who now only pays $25(although it's unlikely we'll see a substancially higher number of convertions just because they drop the price $10) then fine. If it isn't, the underdog sponsors who have been running tight ships from the beginning, and can afford to payout the 30-35$ will receive a higher market share of traffic. IN my book, they deserve every penny. Time will tell. Me-thinks these big sponsors will be rethinking their strategy in time.

[MikeEP]

Originally posted by Lenny2
I'd like to personally tell all of the people whining about lower payouts and begging for lists of sponsors who aren't making any changes to FUCK OFF!!

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?

Bullshit......but it depends.

It's two COMPLETELY different business models.

With the programs your referring to, well, you're probably right. And most of the big guys run the same kind of business model.

Then you have the ma & pa sites that are in the background of all this, making a killing in signups, high recurring with no affiliates. Those are the one's you won't hear about.

Do you think a guy like Quiet can pay out $20-$30 a signup and still fully profit? Definitely....and then some.

Does he need to triple cross sell, upsell, use popups, popunders, tear his surfers a new asshole, rape them and spit them out to pay it? Not at all.

It's all based on which business model the sponsor is using.

[Mr.Fiction]

This thead is nothing but sponsor ass kissing at it's best.

It's so funny it's not even funny.