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Pipecrew · 07-16-2003, 02:47 PM

ahaha wonderful

The mail system is about to crap out here in Canada, looks like a major strike on Friday, all mail will be returned to sender..

GTS Mark · 07-16-2003, 02:48 PM

Good thing for wire transfers.

DH

Sly_RJ · 07-16-2003, 02:49 PM

Good ol' mailmen!

Don't you guys have a no strike clause? We have that here for some occupations. Maybe not the post office though.

x582 · 07-16-2003, 02:49 PM

what???

directfiesta · 07-16-2003, 02:50 PM

Oh shit.

I ship vids & dvd thru them; also receives some payments.

Oh well, will hold payment on their account till resolved.

x582 · 07-16-2003, 02:56 PM

http://www.canada.com/montreal/specials/business/story.html

Are you sure they are going to send the mail back to sender? I didn't see that...

Pipecrew · 07-16-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by x582
http://www.canada.com/montreal/specials/business/story.html

Are you sure they are going to send the mail back to sender? I didn't see that...

They said that on TV, maybee it was to get people riled up, I figure it would make sense for them to just still receive it and create a lag, but if they go on strike, who is going to recieve the mail?

chowda · 07-16-2003, 02:58 PM

labatt brewers in quebec are on strike as well

Probono · 07-16-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by chowda
labatt brewers in quebec are on strike as well

Now that is a serious International issue if I have ever heard one!

teenjump · 07-16-2003, 03:37 PM

Haha. Go postal.

LadyMischief · 07-16-2003, 03:41 PM

Oh fuck... I may go postal.

iwantchixx · 07-16-2003, 03:58 PM

These fucking bastards do this every couple of years. As if they aren't being payed enough already for a no brainer job. Fucking fuck.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 04:35 PM

greedy pricks.

CDSmith · 07-16-2003, 04:38 PM

A mailstrike would be bad. We shouldn't have one.

Might have to dip into the investments if that happens.

thekebie · 07-16-2003, 04:39 PM

I thought it was an esential service? didn't they go on strike before and just didnt check postage on crap?

I get some checks from the mailman

Olivier · 07-16-2003, 04:41 PM

Now how can we receive our bills and checks

fuckers

07-16-2003, 04:57 PM

Unions are wonderful.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 05:25 PM

i say everyone goes down to where they're picketing and stir up some shit. this is just bullshit, they make enough money as it is. want more money? get off your ass and get a better job.

Jay_StandAhead · 07-16-2003, 05:28 PM

These guys make 50k+ a year to work a few hours a day while taking a walk...

CDSmith · 07-16-2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]
These guys make 50k+ a year to work a few hours a day while taking a walk...

They make as much as cops, firefighters, nurses, and ambulance EMT's.

Think about it.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
They make as much as cops, firefighters, nurses, and ambulance EMT's.

Think about it.

i didn't think they made that much. thats bullshit. they should be glad they make that much.

gigi · 07-16-2003, 08:32 PM

Yikes!!

Well, ya know, it IS an essential service.....look at how much we depend on our mail to get here on time. We depend on it as much as we depend on nurses being at the hospital when we need them.

I'm sure the big utility companies will not be too please either when people don't get their bills ie: Hydro, Cable, Phone companies....lol.

gigi · 07-16-2003, 08:36 PM

Oops, I read that article after I posted.....pretty much sums it up as far as people paying their bills during the strike....

BradShaw · 07-16-2003, 08:39 PM

Canadians are always look for a reason to get out of work. Holidays, strikes, etc.

Remember a few years ago, rail strike in Vancouver, some peeps had hard time making it to downtown. I told them to walk if need be.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by gigi
Yikes!!

Well, ya know, it IS an essential service.....look at how much we depend on our mail to get here on time. We depend on it as much as we depend on nurses being at the hospital when we need them.

I'm sure the big utility companies will not be too please either when people don't get their bills ie: Hydro, Cable, Phone companies....lol.

its not a hard job and their lives aren't at risk. they don't deserve to make as much money for such an easy job.

Spunky · 07-16-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
Unions are wonderful.

Not all unions are so drastic.
I thank god for mine.They have helped me with WCB on which I would have paid thousands to fight.They also got my job back of 15 years on which I was fired twice from.Lawyers fees would have killed me.
Plus the pension ,benefits,security etc.
This strike isn't a done deal yet. This is still in negotiations.

thekebie · 07-16-2003, 08:45 PM

My favorite strike was the Vancouver garbage strike, I lived downtown at the time but was in one of the few buildings that already had private service. I just thought it fun to watch other people with the problems and not myself.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Not all unions are so drastic.
I thank god for mine.They have helped me with WCB on which I would have paid thousands to fight.They also got my job back of 15 years on which I was fired twice from.Lawyers fees would have killed me.
Plus the pension ,benefits,security etc.
This strike isn't a done deal yet. This is still in negotiations.

unions are bullshit and not needed today with all the laws in place. all they do now is take advantage of the situation.

Spunky · 07-16-2003, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

unions are bullshit and not needed today with all the laws in place. all they do now is take advantage of the situation.

Try being in one first and then judge.Every employer would pay you 10 bucks a hour if they could.
What laws?.I don't know where your from but you have to put up a huge chunk of change for lawyers in order to fight the employer.
It all depends what Union your in. You'r just basing your opinions on the radical government employees.
I'm sticking with the Union label.

gigi · 07-16-2003, 08:59 PM

Just MO, unions have their place....

And no, postal workers don't put their lives on the line....but it's still an essential service. No, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deliver the mail....but if the mail isn't delivered.....

Lawyers, doctors, accountants don't put their lives on the line either....

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Try being in one first and then judge.Every employer would pay you 10 bucks a hour if they could.
What laws?.I don't know where your from but you have to put up a huge chunk of change for lawyers in order to fight the employer.
It all depends what Union your in. You'r just basing your opinions on the radical government employees.
I'm sticking with the Union label.

rofl, no they wouldn't. get more skills and they will pay a lot more. i know about unions and they're not needed for professionals. unions are inefficient and don't have a place in today's society. they also increase costs which are passed onto consumers. they're the ones flipping the bill for the greed of workers. be happy to have a job. don't like it, get a better one.

the Shemp · 07-16-2003, 09:14 PM

Man, when will all you right wingers get it......
"it's the people that do the work that control the job"

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by gigi
Just MO, unions have their place....

And no, postal workers don't put their lives on the line....but it's still an essential service. No, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deliver the mail....but if the mail isn't delivered.....

Lawyers, doctors, accountants don't put their lives on the line either....

idiots can't be lawyers. accountants, well, hehe. you still need to know a ton of shit to be an accountant.

doctors? when you go in for knee surgery would you like a heart transplant instead? their life isn't on the line, but lives depend on them to do the right things.

you don't need brains to be a postal worker. this goes here and this goes there. thats pretty simple shit that almost anyone with a brain can do. you don't even need to be smart to do it.

Spunky · 07-16-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

rofl, no they wouldn't. get more skills and they will pay a lot more. i know about unions and they're not needed for professionals. unions are inefficient and don't have a place in today's society. they also increase costs which are passed onto consumers. they're the ones flipping the bill for the greed of workers. be happy to have a job. don't like it, get a better one.

Professionals are college educated and have spent thousands of dollars getting to that level
I'm skilled labour that works in the aviation/petroleum industry and make about the same as some of the white collar professionals you keep referring too.
Not everybody has a college education.
Try looking past that glass bubble.

cash69 · 07-16-2003, 09:24 PM

1 day the world is just going to say fuck it.. why work fuck this.. money will go away and we'll start paying people with shells again like the old days

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Professionals are college educated and have spent thousands of dollars getting to that level
I'm skilled labour that works in the aviation/petroleum industry and make about the same as some of the white collar professionals you keep referring too.
Not everybody has a college education.
Try looking past that glass bubble.

technical skills are easier to master than intellectual skills. there's a premium placed on brains in most cases. looks like you went into the wrong line of work.

cash69 · 07-16-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

idiots can't be lawyers.

i guess you've never gotten a court appointed one before

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by cash69
i guess you've never gotten a court appointed one before

you get what you pay for. in most cases they're the results of affirmative action. schools taking race/gender over brains.

cash69 · 07-16-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

you get what you pay for. in most cases they're the results of affirmative action. schools taking race/gender over brains.

responds out of boredome

Spunky · 07-16-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

technical skills are easier to master than intellectual skills. there's a premium placed on brains in most cases. looks like you went into the wrong line of work.

Whatever,thats your opinion.I tend to look at things outside the box and not be so self centered and jaded.
I have a great fucking job ,that I love and get paid quite well.I've always liked working with my hands and using my brains.
The equipment I work on are like computers and technical.So not everybody can do it.

Manga1 · 07-16-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

rofl, no they wouldn't. get more skills and they will pay a lot more. i know about unions and they're not needed for professionals. unions are inefficient and don't have a place in today's society. they also increase costs which are passed onto consumers. they're the ones flipping the bill for the greed of workers. be happy to have a job. don't like it, get a better one.

Couldn't agree with you more. Unions breed laziness and incompetence.

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Whatever,thats your opinion.I tend to look at things outside the box and not be so self centered and jaded.
I have a great fucking job ,that I love and get paid quite well.I've always liked working with my hands and using my brains.
The equipment I work on are like computers and technical.So not everybody can do it.

i look at everything with an open mind.

x582 · 07-16-2003, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

its not a hard job and their lives aren't at risk. they don't deserve to make as much money for such an easy job.

agreed

CDSmith · 07-16-2003, 09:43 PM

I know they are all essencial services basically... but it is still weird when you think about it.....

A nurse -- get's started out at say, $40k per year. She saves lives, and when dealing with certain diseases that make their way into the hospitals, she certainly does risk her life at times.

Ambulance EMT -- get's started off at $40k as well, or close to it. EMT's definitely risk their lives daily, and they save lives.

Cop -- $40k to start, highest risk of all, and they often save lives.

MAILMAN -- Makes about the same as above, walks down a series of streets dropping envelopes into mailboxes. Has to face down the odd dog. Oh my.

If you had to choose one of the above jobs to do from now on, starting tomorrow, I would bet that most people would choose the job of mailman. If they were to contract out their jobs, there are 1000's of people who would walk a mail route for $15 per hour rather than $25+

gigi · 07-16-2003, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

technical skills are easier to master than intellectual skills. there's a premium placed on brains in most cases. looks like you went into the wrong line of work.

I disagree....I know many folks who cheated their way through college...lazy fucks who barely passed in spite of all the partying they did during college. A plaque on the wall saying you have a college degree doesn't necessarily mean you have attained a certain level of intellect. ;)

I couldn't for the life of me run big machines like my husband does....I'm more the college type....he's a skilled laborer....he works damn hard for his money.....and knows a whole hell of alot more about running large machinery than I will ever know....he's taken dozens of courses to be able to do what he does.....and he has a union backing him. (although they haven't done a whole hell of alot this last decade or so....his dad who did the same thing made about $5 less per hour back in the 70's.....hmmm)

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by gigi

I disagree....I know many folks who cheated their way through college...lazy fucks who barely passed in spite of all the partying they did during college. A plaque on the wall saying you have a college degree doesn't necessarily mean you have attained a certain level of intellect. ;)

I couldn't for the life of me run big machines like my husband does....I'm more the college type....he's a skilled laborer....he works damn hard for his money.....and knows a whole hell of alot more about running large machinery than I will ever know....he's taken dozens of courses to be able to do what he does.....and he has a union backing him. (although they haven't done a whole hell of alot this last decade or so....his dad who did the same thing made about $5 less per hour back in the 70's.....hmmm)

i will agree there are plenty of idiots at university. you pretty much need something beyond a simple bachelor's degree today. its pretty much like a high school degree 20-30 years ago. but those lazy fucks won't get anywhere if they don't get their shit together.

gigi · 07-16-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
I know they are all essencial services basically... but it is still weird when you think about it.....

A nurse -- get's started out at say, $40k per year. She saves lives, and when dealing with certain diseases that make their way into the hospitals, she certainly does risk her life at times.

Ambulance EMT -- get's started off at $40k as well, or close to it. EMT's definitely risk their lives daily, and they save lives.

Cop -- $40k to start, highest risk of all, and they often save lives.

MAILMAN -- Makes about the same as above, walks down a series of streets dropping envelopes into mailboxes. Has to face down the odd dog. Oh my.

If you had to choose one of the above jobs to do from now on, starting tomorrow, I would bet that most people would choose the job of mailman. If they were to contract out their jobs, there are 1000's of people who would walk a mail route for $15 per hour rather than $25+

The service is still essential.

IMHO, I think instead of lowering a postal workers pay, we should be talking about raising pay for cops, nurses etc....lord knows they do deserve it for all the crap they have to deal with....

But know what? Nurses and cops COST money to the gov.....it's all about making money...sad eh?

the Shemp · 07-16-2003, 09:54 PM

Ive never known a mailman or letter carrier to make 50K a year.
Where are you guys getting your info from?

Oh and heres a question or two for you.....
on average, how many houses does a letter carrier deliver to each day? and what does he/she do when they have to use the bathroom? i'm curious....

BlackCrayon · 07-16-2003, 09:54 PM

i doubt it will happen, my bet is that they settle at the last minute. A LOT of ppl depend on A LOT of things in the mail. a lot of us can't pay our bills if we don't get the mail. and fuck, i never knew those guys got paid so well. in my town the bastards don't even have to go for a walk, everyones address is a PO box...

FlyingIguana · 07-16-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gigi

The service is still essential.

IMHO, I think instead of lowering a postal workers pay, we should be talking about raising pay for cops, nurses etc....lord knows they do deserve it for all the crap they have to deal with....

But know what? Nurses and cops COST money to the gov.....it's all about making money...sad eh?

increase a cops pay and where does it come from? your pocket thats where.

07-16-2003, 02:47 PM	#1
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Canada Post MailStrike ahaha wonderful The mail system is about to crap out here in Canada, looks like a major strike on Friday, all mail will be returned to sender..

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x582 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: heh? Posts: 609	what???

07-16-2003, 02:56 PM	#6
x582 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: heh? Posts: 609	http://www.canada.com/montreal/specials/business/story.html Are you sure they are going to send the mail back to sender? I didn't see that...

07-16-2003, 03:37 PM	#10
teenjump So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,595	Haha. Go postal.

07-16-2003, 03:58 PM	#12
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	These fucking bastards do this every couple of years. As if they aren't being payed enough already for a no brainer job. Fucking fuck.

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FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	greedy pricks.

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thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	I thought it was an esential service? didn't they go on strike before and just didnt check postage on crap? I get some checks from the mailman

07-16-2003, 04:41 PM	#16
Olivier Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 656	Now how can we receive our bills and checks fuckers

07-16-2003, 04:57 PM	#17
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	Unions are wonderful.

07-16-2003, 05:25 PM	#18
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	i say everyone goes down to where they're picketing and stir up some shit. this is just bullshit, they make enough money as it is. want more money? get off your ass and get a better job.

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gigi Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 691	Yikes!! Well, ya know, it IS an essential service.....look at how much we depend on our mail to get here on time. We depend on it as much as we depend on nurses being at the hospital when we need them. I'm sure the big utility companies will not be too please either when people don't get their bills ie: Hydro, Cable, Phone companies....lol. __________________ eMail ICQ: 32862272

07-16-2003, 08:36 PM	#23
gigi Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 691	Oops, I read that article after I posted.....pretty much sums it up as far as people paying their bills during the strike.... __________________ eMail ICQ: 32862272

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BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Canadians are always look for a reason to get out of work. Holidays, strikes, etc. Remember a few years ago, rail strike in Vancouver, some peeps had hard time making it to downtown. I told them to walk if need be. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	My favorite strike was the Vancouver garbage strike, I lived downtown at the time but was in one of the few buildings that already had private service. I just thought it fun to watch other people with the problems and not myself.

07-16-2003, 08:59 PM	#30
gigi Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 691	Just MO, unions have their place.... And no, postal workers don't put their lives on the line....but it's still an essential service. No, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deliver the mail....but if the mail isn't delivered..... Lawyers, doctors, accountants don't put their lives on the line either.... __________________ eMail ICQ: 32862272

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	Man, when will all you right wingers get it...... "it's the people that do the work that control the job" __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	1 day the world is just going to say fuck it.. why work fuck this.. money will go away and we'll start paying people with shells again like the old days

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I know they are all essencial services basically... but it is still weird when you think about it..... A nurse -- get's started out at say, $40k per year. She saves lives, and when dealing with certain diseases that make their way into the hospitals, she certainly does risk her life at times. Ambulance EMT -- get's started off at $40k as well, or close to it. EMT's definitely risk their lives daily, and they save lives. Cop -- $40k to start, highest risk of all, and they often save lives. MAILMAN -- Makes about the same as above, walks down a series of streets dropping envelopes into mailboxes. Has to face down the odd dog. Oh my. If you had to choose one of the above jobs to do from now on, starting tomorrow, I would bet that most people would choose the job of mailman. If they were to contract out their jobs, there are 1000's of people who would walk a mail route for $15 per hour rather than $25+ __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	Ive never known a mailman or letter carrier to make 50K a year. Where are you guys getting your info from? Oh and heres a question or two for you..... on average, how many houses does a letter carrier deliver to each day? and what does he/she do when they have to use the bathroom? i'm curious.... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	i doubt it will happen, my bet is that they settle at the last minute. A LOT of ppl depend on A LOT of things in the mail. a lot of us can't pay our bills if we don't get the mail. and fuck, i never knew those guys got paid so well. in my town the bastards don't even have to go for a walk, everyones address is a PO box...