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jimmyf · 07-11-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

Personally I don't give 2 shits where you send your traffic. I don't own any paysites or per sign up programs.

I must agree

VividLeslie · 07-11-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by docjohnson
If it isn't, the underdog sponsors who have been running tight ships from the beginning, and can afford to payout the 30-35$ will receive a higher market share of traffic. IN my book, they deserve every penny. Time will tell. Me-thinks these big sponsors will be rethinking their strategy in time.

Speaking of which, not exactly an "underdog" but definitely running a tight ship

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jimmyf · 07-11-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

Why? Competition.

If you're the only resturaunt in town, odds are the townspeople are going to eat at your place and eat there often.
But what if a new resturaunt opens up? Now they don't eat at your place every night, they get to try something new.
Now what if 1000 new resturaunts open up?

Here Here, I stand up say You's right. With my main sponsor, there use to be like 15 companies 5 big ones doing what he does, now there are like 40 and 15 big ones, At least people still stay for an un-believable long time as memebers thank the Internet god's that hasn't changed. But it's like 10 times harder just to get the surfer to the dam site. I'm at 1/120 and have been for years. To top it off the guy that owns it really worries and doesn't want anyone to think he's a cheat great person. It's a real joy to chat with him ever so often on ICQ. I dam sure can't say the same thing about most of the pay site owners I've seen on this board, just two, off the top off my head
the owner of FTV and that Goth'e guy.

Ian · 07-11-2003, 07:51 PM

"This will level the field for those smaller sponsors who have been running a tight ship since the ghetgo and can afford to keep up the payments. I know I'll be sending much more traffic to them."

We're right over here:

Hooper · 07-11-2003, 08:10 PM

Nah. It wont level the playing field. The playing field will always be in favor of the guy with the most money.

Mom & Pop might run one good site and they might have even sprung for a few good banner ads.

It's unlikely they are going to have full time design staff, full time support staff, full time content management staff, all there just to make conversions and retention that much better.

That's just my rant though.

To compete effectively you need to have 400k plus in cash.

kris242 · 07-11-2003, 08:29 PM

this thread sounds like whineing to me, who gives a fuck.. theres still programs that pay 50, 40, etc.

Snake Doctor · 07-11-2003, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by MikeEP

Bullshit......but it depends.

It's two COMPLETELY different business models.

With the programs your referring to, well, you're probably right. And most of the big guys run the same kind of business model.

Then you have the ma & pa sites that are in the background of all this, making a killing in signups, high recurring with no affiliates. Those are the one's you won't hear about.

Do you think a guy like Quiet can pay out $20-$30 a signup and still fully profit? Definitely....and then some.

Does he need to triple cross sell, upsell, use popups, popunders, tear his surfers a new asshole, rape them and spit them out to pay it? Not at all.

It's all based on which business model the sponsor is using.

How many of those ma and pa sites that you say are "making a killing" pay $35 per trial signup?

How many of the people whining about the lower payouts send traffic to the ma and pa sites? NONE of them....the ma and pa sites are partnerships and none of the partnership programs have lowered payouts, they still pay 50-60% of the membership fees.

MikeEP · 07-11-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

How many of those ma and pa sites that you say are "making a killing" pay $35 per trial signup?

Understood Lenny...but a better question is, why would they want to???

Some have all the traffic they need generated inhouse, so why even involve webmasters? Why give up $35 bucks when you don't need to, and take home all the profits? And the ones that do, webmasters are hand selected.

Snake Doctor · 07-11-2003, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by MikeEP

Understood Lenny...but a better question is, why would they want to???

Some have all the traffic they need generated inhouse, so why even involve webmasters? Why give up $35 bucks when you don't need to, and take home all the profits? And the ones that do, webmasters are hand selected.

Sure there are plenty of operations out there like that.

But what do they have to do with this discussion?

MikeEP · 07-11-2003, 09:46 PM

Because of the biggest myth in this industry which is "we don't have enough to pay-out webmasters and meet their demands, without ass pounding the surfer with triple cross sells and hundreds of popups."

Nothing more, just simple statement Lenny. All these people talking about longevity all of a sudden...it's humorous.

But, then again, that's why different business models exists.

CDSmith · 07-11-2003, 09:54 PM

The only affiliates that are going to be concerned about their sponsors lowering payouts are guys that have been sending a lot of steady signups to the same sponsor for awhile, and will see an instant drop in income once the payouts are lowered. Guys like that have a legitimate concern in asking if their sponsor is planning to lower their payouts.

The ONLY reason I started a thread to ask about which sponsors might be lowering their payouts is because I looked around earlier today and saw a lot of webmasters talking about it, but I couldn't find any official news from any actual sponsors as to who would be doing it (or not), so I wanted to know if any of it was substantiated or not. I did not start the thread in order to cast anyone in a negative light or that I intend to *drop* any sponsors that are going to lower payouts.

Fact is, in choosing which paysites to promote, I have and always will base my decisions on whether or not I can convert them with my traffic, NOT whether they pay $25 or $40 per signup. Forty bucks per signup means fuck all if you only get 1 signup a month with them. If I can get 10 signups on the $25 program with the same amount of traffic I will take the lower payout any time.

easyfun · 07-11-2003, 11:58 PM

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Fact is, in choosing which paysites to promote, I have and always will base my decisions on whether or not I can convert them with my traffic, NOT whether they pay $25 or $40 per signup. Forty bucks per signup means fuck all if you only get 1 signup a month with them. If I can get 10 signups on the $25 program with the same amount of traffic I will take the lower payout any time.

Makes sense

Snake Doctor · 07-14-2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith

Fact is, in choosing which paysites to promote, I have and always will base my decisions on whether or not I can convert them with my traffic, NOT whether they pay $25 or $40 per signup. Forty bucks per signup means fuck all if you only get 1 signup a month with them. If I can get 10 signups on the $25 program with the same amount of traffic I will take the lower payout any time.

Well said

That same reasoning is why I send over 80% of my traffic to partnership programs.

Biggy2 · 07-18-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
I'd like to personally tell all of the people whining about lower payouts and begging for lists of sponsors who aren't making any changes to FUCK OFF!!

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?
Charging $40-50 subscription fees, multiple pre-checked cross sales, console hell on every tour, not to mention spamming the living shit out of their member's emails to try and make a buck or two.

Stuff like this is the reason VISA is breathing down our necks and sponsors who continue to operate in this fashion just so they can win the biggest payout dick measuring contest won't be in business for very long I assure you.

You can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.

I agree as well, this may not be the truth 100% of the time, more like 90-95%

FlyingIguana · 07-18-2003, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
I'd like to personally tell all of the people whining about lower payouts and begging for lists of sponsors who aren't making any changes to FUCK OFF!!

Don't you realize that the only reason those sponsors were able to pay you $35-40 per join was by ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant?
Charging $40-50 subscription fees, multiple pre-checked cross sales, console hell on every tour, not to mention spamming the living shit out of their member's emails to try and make a buck or two.

Stuff like this is the reason VISA is breathing down our necks and sponsors who continue to operate in this fashion just so they can win the biggest payout dick measuring contest won't be in business for very long I assure you.

You can shear a sheep many times but you can only skin him once.

i agree. problem is, maybe more noobs will start to look elsewhere instead of the larger programs. meaning the smaller ones start to get saturated.

07-11-2003, 08:10 PM	#55
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Nah. It wont level the playing field. The playing field will always be in favor of the guy with the most money. Mom & Pop might run one good site and they might have even sprung for a few good banner ads. It's unlikely they are going to have full time design staff, full time support staff, full time content management staff, all there just to make conversions and retention that much better. That's just my rant though. To compete effectively you need to have 400k plus in cash. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

07-11-2003, 09:54 PM	#61
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	The only affiliates that are going to be concerned about their sponsors lowering payouts are guys that have been sending a lot of steady signups to the same sponsor for awhile, and will see an instant drop in income once the payouts are lowered. Guys like that have a legitimate concern in asking if their sponsor is planning to lower their payouts. The ONLY reason I started a thread to ask about which sponsors might be lowering their payouts is because I looked around earlier today and saw a lot of webmasters talking about it, but I couldn't find any official news from any actual sponsors as to who would be doing it (or not), so I wanted to know if any of it was substantiated or not. I did not start the thread in order to cast anyone in a negative light or that I intend to drop any sponsors that are going to lower payouts. Fact is, in choosing which paysites to promote, I have and always will base my decisions on whether or not I can convert them with my traffic, NOT whether they pay $25 or $40 per signup. Forty bucks per signup means fuck all if you only get 1 signup a month with them. If I can get 10 signups on the $25 program with the same amount of traffic I will take the lower payout any time. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-11-2003, 07:51 PM	#54
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	"This will level the field for those smaller sponsors who have been running a tight ship since the ghetgo and can afford to keep up the payments. I know I'll be sending much more traffic to them." We're right over here:

07-11-2003, 08:29 PM	#56
kris242 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 139	this thread sounds like whineing to me, who gives a fuck.. theres still programs that pay 50, 40, etc.

07-11-2003, 09:46 PM	#60
MikeEP Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 464	Because of the biggest myth in this industry which is "we don't have enough to pay-out webmasters and meet their demands, without ass pounding the surfer with triple cross sells and hundreds of popups." Nothing more, just simple statement Lenny. All these people talking about longevity all of a sudden...it's humorous. But, then again, that's why different business models exists.