Who do you blame for all the industry problems, if anyone? - GoFuckYourself.com

BradShaw · 07-10-2003, 03:18 PM

No doubt IMHO the actions of several irresponsible companies created the dilemma we are in now where both Visa and MC have imposed strict 1% limits.

Some are out of the business very rich, can think of one that got nailed by ftc hard (crescent), and others that still hang around and do well.

Name names?

Mr.Fiction · 07-10-2003, 03:22 PM

I won't name names, but I have a few ideas.

BluMedia · 07-10-2003, 03:25 PM

possibly the ones charging barely nothing to signup but then having multiple cross sells and end of billing the people over 100 a month.

Amputate Your Head · 07-10-2003, 03:26 PM

i like hamburgers.

Jakke PNG · 07-10-2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
i like hamburgers.

I'm hungry.
I blame McDonalds.

Mr.Fiction · 07-10-2003, 03:27 PM

A good place to start is probably to think about who had or has the highest per signup payouts.

Matt 26z · 07-10-2003, 03:27 PM

It's funny how for so long everyone has blamed "free porn" for the surfers unwillingness to hand over their CC.

Then something like this happens, and I think it's a real wakeup call that it was certain paysites at the top setting bad examples all along that caused surfer distrust.... and now new regulations as a result of that.

As for specifics, a case could be made against many large programs. Even if they are only doing one or two shady things, it all add's up.

Mike AI · 07-10-2003, 03:28 PM

There is so much blame to pass around....

It would be a very long list, with many prominant "players".

Sly_RJ · 07-10-2003, 03:29 PM

Fuck the blame game. What's done is done. Let's correct it, move on, and start making more cash. That's why we're here.

The Truth Hurts · 07-10-2003, 03:29 PM

Visa & Mastercard, for handing out chargebacks like they were candy.

GrimShawn · 07-10-2003, 03:31 PM

I blame the man

Amputate Your Head · 07-10-2003, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

I'm hungry.
I blame McDonalds.

me too... they should deliver.

pimplink · 07-10-2003, 03:34 PM

I blame The Man

Too late for blame, time for action.

Jakke PNG · 07-10-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

me too... they should deliver.

Damn right.

NoCarrier · 07-10-2003, 04:13 PM

TGP's with millions of free pictures and movies educated surfers to enjoy free porn.

BlackCrayon · 07-10-2003, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

me too... they should deliver.

they do deliver, at least in big cities in ontario, canada.

but yeah i blame cross sales and shit, i never really knew about em till recently. if i was a stupid surfer i would freak too if i got billed for several sites i didn't realize i was joining.

God Dammit · 07-10-2003, 04:24 PM

Its all Brad Shaw's fault. Him and those hunting and fishing expeditions, and not inviting me. And I only lived 90 miles from him. God damn you

Evil1 · 07-10-2003, 04:27 PM

I blame slavery

Deepundercover · 07-10-2003, 04:32 PM

Because the industry is fundamentally immoral, it attracts scumbags?

boneprone · 07-10-2003, 04:35 PM

Be like everyone else here and Blame LikeWhoa.

Mutt · 07-10-2003, 04:36 PM

Babenet and Python at the top of the list.

tony286 · 07-10-2003, 04:41 PM

http://fnp.sexuncensored.com/bp_avs....95_Y/join.html

This says it all lol.

jimmyf · 07-10-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
No doubt IMHO the actions of several irresponsible companies created the dilemma we are in now where both Visa and MC have imposed strict 1% limits.

Some are out of the business very rich, can think of one that got nailed by ftc hard (crescent), and others that still hang around and do well.

Name names?

some I'm sure think it's you, didn't say I did.

quiet · 07-10-2003, 04:54 PM

too much free porn!!

LiveDose · 07-10-2003, 04:55 PM

The sex industry will always be used as a scape goat. It could be run totally clean and we would still be taboo.

That said there are a lot of dumbasses who bring unnecessary attention to the adult online world...

BlueDesignStudios · 07-10-2003, 05:22 PM

I blame terrorism for everything

StuartD · 07-10-2003, 05:25 PM

it was either the fault of Lawrence Connor, or NecroHipHop or Deepsy....

has to be.

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2003, 05:28 PM

I personally blame lilrich4u2.

Dravyk · 07-10-2003, 05:29 PM

Vampires cast no reflections, they say.

Peter Romero · 07-10-2003, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dravyk
Vampires cast no reflections, they say.

I only blame myself for my problems... after all they are MY PROBLEMS.

stevecore · 07-10-2003, 05:31 PM

when you point fingers, remember that three are pointed back at yourself.

49thParallel · 07-10-2003, 05:39 PM

What I find funny is that over the past couple of years I have always been a very vocal advocate of ethical and fair treatment of the consumer. And what I always received back from this board was that the industry was fair...and ethical...and so on and so on.

Now, I see thread after thread saying things like "payouts will need to change due to new cc regs"...and on and on.

So, let me get this straight...nobody was ripping off anyone...but sponsors are now going to have to change the way they do business to reduce chargebacks. Hmmm...if you weren't ripping them off in the first place...why would any changes you make have an effect on chargebacks. And why would payouts have to lower.

Once again, 3 cheers for the CC industry for cleaning the scum out of this industry. And yes, a number of you are most likely reading this post right now.

nocostporn · 07-10-2003, 05:50 PM

I won't step on toes but they know who they are...Theres one impaticular that ALWAYS argued his business "practice" was the way it should be done...I'm sure the new regs will open his eyes and maybe shut his mouth

and I'm all for that new regulation BTW

harvey · 07-10-2003, 05:56 PM

BLAME CANADA!

bigdog · 07-10-2003, 05:57 PM

i blame porncash they ran their own merchant accounts and kept on billing surfers even if they canceled.They left with millions

chodadog · 07-10-2003, 06:02 PM

I blame whitey.

gothweb · 07-10-2003, 06:03 PM

There are three basic sources of problems with the industry...

1.) Too much free porn makes people think they have a "right" to porn, so they either only view the free stuff, or they steal the stuff they should pay for.

2.) Programs that have to scam in order to offer webmasters higher payouts have created an enviroment that rips off the surfer and encourages high chargebacks. (It also creates shaving.)

3.) Some webmasters (etc.) feel that they are already in an immoral line of work. As such, they give up on morality in general, leading to fraud, chargebacks, spamming, and a thug mentality not unlike the wild west.

NoCarrier · 07-10-2003, 06:05 PM

I Blame MTV for showing videos of almost naked girls singing stuff like : "I am going to be your slave".

MTV killed the porn star.

Jman Sweet · 07-10-2003, 06:07 PM

I blame Jager for making me who i am

Drake · 07-10-2003, 06:10 PM

I blame Al Gore. He invented the problem.

lyno · 07-10-2003, 06:22 PM

I always blame catholic church for everything
http://www.harvestusa.org/articles/powerofporn.htm

SENSEX · 07-10-2003, 06:26 PM

I blame Barney. Parents have to listen to him sing, then they get angry and take their frustration out on the porn.!

sexeducation · 07-10-2003, 07:14 PM

The average person has no respect for the adult industry because the adult industry showed no respect for them.

Generic domains pointing to porn sites.

Aroused genitals and reproductive fluids on directly accessed domains.

Pop-ups and pop-unders.

Windows you can not close and if they close multiple dozens of popups ocurr.

Why would anyone respect that type of behaviour?

It's like "clear cutting" with reforestation.

You lost the respect of your customer as a legitimate business.

That's a hard thing to get back.

Rich · 07-10-2003, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
A good place to start is probably to think about who had or has the highest per signup payouts.

That just means they have the biggest razor

malakajoe · 07-10-2003, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
The average person has no respect for the adult industry because the adult industry showed no respect for them.

Generic domains pointing to porn sites.

Aroused genitals and reproductive fluids on directly accessed domains.

Pop-ups and pop-unders.

Windows you can not close and if they close multiple dozens of popups ocurr.

Why would anyone respect that type of behaviour?

It's like "clear cutting" with reforestation.

You lost the respect of your customer as a legitimate business.

That's a hard thing to get back.

Lets see...like sexeducation.com not just being a Sex Education site? Thanks for pointing that out.

And adult webmasters stealing other webmasters content and not seeing anything wrong with it?

malakajoe · 07-10-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
The average person has no respect for the adult industry because the adult industry showed no respect for them.

Generic domains pointing to porn sites.

Aroused genitals and reproductive fluids on directly accessed domains.

Pop-ups and pop-unders.

Windows you can not close and if they close multiple dozens of popups ocurr.

Why would anyone respect that type of behaviour?

It's like "clear cutting" with reforestation.

You lost the respect of your customer as a legitimate business.

That's a hard thing to get back.

Hey rimlicking malaka...what about this page?

http://www.adultsextechniques.com/va...technique.html

Doesn't that have aroused genitals in the free section?

Fuckin hypocrite, go away.

12clicks · 07-10-2003, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
What I find funny is that over the past couple of years I have always been a very vocal advocate of ethical and fair treatment of the consumer. And what I always received back from this board was that the industry was fair...and ethical...and so on and so on.

Now, I see thread after thread saying things like "payouts will need to change due to new cc regs"...and on and on.

So, let me get this straight...nobody was ripping off anyone...but sponsors are now going to have to change the way they do business to reduce chargebacks. Hmmm...if you weren't ripping them off in the first place...why would any changes you make have an effect on chargebacks. And why would payouts have to lower.

Once again, 3 cheers for the CC industry for cleaning the scum out of this industry. And yes, a number of you are most likely reading this post right now.

don't you have burgers to flip, letters to write to the FTC, or AOL teen chat rooms to hang out in?

sexeducation · 07-10-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by malakajoe

Hey rimlicking malaka...what about this page?

http://www.adultsextechniques.com/va...technique.html

Doesn't that have aroused genitals in the free section?

Fuckin hypocrite, go away.

The DIRECTLY ACCESSED domain name of AdultSexTechniques.com does not contain aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids.

malakajoe · 07-10-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

The DIRECTLY ACCESSED domain name of AdultSexTechniques.com does not contain aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids.

Do you mean the front fuckin page? Is that what you have meant this whole fuckin time?

Fuck, you get dumber by the fuckin day.

FlyingIguana · 07-10-2003, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Fuck the blame game. What's done is done. Let's correct it, move on, and start making more cash. That's why we're here.

aren't we here to see some titties?

07-10-2003, 03:18 PM	#1
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Who do you blame for all the industry problems, if anyone? No doubt IMHO the actions of several irresponsible companies created the dilemma we are in now where both Visa and MC have imposed strict 1% limits. Some are out of the business very rich, can think of one that got nailed by ftc hard (crescent), and others that still hang around and do well. Name names? __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I won't name names, but I have a few ideas.

07-10-2003, 03:27 PM	#6
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	A good place to start is probably to think about who had or has the highest per signup payouts.

07-10-2003, 03:27 PM	#7
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	It's funny how for so long everyone has blamed "free porn" for the surfers unwillingness to hand over their CC. Then something like this happens, and I think it's a real wakeup call that it was certain paysites at the top setting bad examples all along that caused surfer distrust.... and now new regulations as a result of that. As for specifics, a case could be made against many large programs. Even if they are only doing one or two shady things, it all add's up.

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The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,418	Visa & Mastercard, for handing out chargebacks like they were candy.

07-10-2003, 03:31 PM	#11
GrimShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BONEPRONE MANSION serving drinks! Posts: 8,120	I blame the man

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07-10-2003, 04:24 PM	#17
God Dammit Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 18	Its all Brad Shaw's fault. Him and those hunting and fishing expeditions, and not inviting me. And I only lived 90 miles from him. God damn you __________________ God Dammit

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07-10-2003, 04:54 PM	#24
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	too much free porn!! __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

07-10-2003, 04:55 PM	#25
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07-10-2003, 05:39 PM	#32
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	What I find funny is that over the past couple of years I have always been a very vocal advocate of ethical and fair treatment of the consumer. And what I always received back from this board was that the industry was fair...and ethical...and so on and so on. Now, I see thread after thread saying things like "payouts will need to change due to new cc regs"...and on and on. So, let me get this straight...nobody was ripping off anyone...but sponsors are now going to have to change the way they do business to reduce chargebacks. Hmmm...if you weren't ripping them off in the first place...why would any changes you make have an effect on chargebacks. And why would payouts have to lower. Once again, 3 cheers for the CC industry for cleaning the scum out of this industry. And yes, a number of you are most likely reading this post right now.

07-10-2003, 05:50 PM	#33
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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i blame porncash they ran their own merchant accounts and kept on billing surfers even if they canceled.They left with millions

07-10-2003, 06:02 PM	#36
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gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	There are three basic sources of problems with the industry... 1.) Too much free porn makes people think they have a "right" to porn, so they either only view the free stuff, or they steal the stuff they should pay for. 2.) Programs that have to scam in order to offer webmasters higher payouts have created an enviroment that rips off the surfer and encourages high chargebacks. (It also creates shaving.) 3.) Some webmasters (etc.) feel that they are already in an immoral line of work. As such, they give up on morality in general, leading to fraud, chargebacks, spamming, and a thug mentality not unlike the wild west. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

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07-10-2003, 06:10 PM	#40
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I blame Al Gore. He invented the problem.

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