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B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 06:20 AM

I can understand why fellow webmasters wouldn't help each other get more traffic, but it baffles me no end why sponsor reps flat out refuse to give advice, or simply ignore requests for advice on how to send more traffic to thier sites.

It would sure seem to me that as an "account manager" for a sponsor, it would be beneficial to the site to give all the help you can to an affiliate.

It makes me wonder if the name of the game is to "protect" the one or two guys who are actually making money, while telling the other 50,000 affiliates to just "go out and work hard", hoping for one or two sales a year from them.

AEBN Michael · 07-03-2003, 06:24 AM

B_Maverick,

Feel free to hit me up I would be more than happy to help you.

reynold · 07-03-2003, 06:26 AM

nexpectation is good at this

Reak · 07-03-2003, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by AEBN Michael
B_Maverick,

Feel free to hit me up I would be more than happy to help you.

Still some good people on GFY

cheekycherry · 07-03-2003, 06:31 AM

Show em that you CAN send sales and I'm sure most would help you.

I ain't gonna spend hours telling some lazy newb fuck how to make money without knowing they are gonna do something for it.

cheekycherry · 07-03-2003, 06:34 AM

My last post was not to infer you were a lazy newb fuck, just answering your question.

Juicy D. Links · 07-03-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
nexpectation is good at this

what he said they got a good prog

iwantchixx · 07-03-2003, 06:40 AM

If you are willing to contact me for help, I am willing to respond WITH help and advise. But you must understand, that if sponsors give you advice and help and walk you through things, at least put an effort into pushing the traffic.

I do it myself soemtimes, I get in touch with sponsors, work out all the goodies, and on my end I never end up sending traffic until a long time down the road. Usualy within 2-3 months of initial contact. Mostly because I have other projects, or I just don't feel I have not grasped enough traffic yet to determine the validitity of the sponsor yet.

Here is a perfect example, I worked out a strategy for promoting nakedcoolegegirls.tv yet I don't have enough targeted traffic to benefit his site yet. But when I do, I will push it.

If your post was a cry for help I would be more than willing to get you on the right track promoting the site in my sig.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by cheekycherry
My last post was not to infer you were a lazy newb fuck, just answering your question.

No offense taken. I have been struggling in this business for a couple of years, putting as much spare time as I can into it, but have simply not found the right path yet.

12clicks · 07-03-2003, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick
I can understand why fellow webmasters wouldn't help each other get more traffic, but it baffles me no end why sponsor reps flat out refuse to give advice, or simply ignore requests for advice on how to send more traffic to thier sites.

It would sure seem to me that as an "account manager" for a sponsor, it would be beneficial to the site to give all the help you can to an affiliate.

It makes me wonder if the name of the game is to "protect" the one or two guys who are actually making money, while telling the other 50,000 affiliates to just "go out and work hard", hoping for one or two sales a year from them.

"go out and work hard" is the best advice you'll ever get.
Thinking the sponsor should show you how to make money means you won't be here next year.
its that simple.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 06:51 AM

Wow...thanks for all the responses. I genuinely appreciate it and will definitely get with everyone who offered help!!

gothweb · 07-03-2003, 06:57 AM

I get ICQs all the time from people who want help promoting my sites. I am happy to answer their questions. I think part of my job is helping people make my sites convert, so they will make more money with my program and stick with it. That's good for everyone.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

"go out and work hard" is the best advice you'll ever get.
Thinking the sponsor should show you how to make money means you won't be here next year.
its that simple.

Having worked for a major corportation, I find this philosophy strange. Major manufacturers employ hundreds of people whose sole purpose is to help wholesalers drive more traffic and more sales. I find it odd that this industry does not have the same overall philosophy.

That having been said, I must say that I appreciate the advice I just recieved from AEBN Michael, and am in the process of contacting everyone else who offered help.

As far as "working hard", I am no stranger to that. My request for help is not a request to avoid work. It is simply a request for someone to help me find a better way to dig a ditch. (using a backhoe rather than a shovel...if that makes sense).

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
If you are willing to contact me for help, I am willing to respond WITH help and advise. But you must understand, that if sponsors give you advice and help and walk you through things, at least put an effort into pushing the traffic.

I do it myself soemtimes, I get in touch with sponsors, work out all the goodies, and on my end I never end up sending traffic until a long time down the road. Usualy within 2-3 months of initial contact. Mostly because I have other projects, or I just don't feel I have not grasped enough traffic yet to determine the validitity of the sponsor yet.

Here is a perfect example, I worked out a strategy for promoting nakedcoolegegirls.tv yet I don't have enough targeted traffic to benefit his site yet. But when I do, I will push it.

If your post was a cry for help I would be more than willing to get you on the right track promoting the site in my sig.

Trying to contact you on ICQ

AEBN Michael · 07-03-2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick

That having been said, I must say that I appreciate the advice I just received from AEBN Michael, and am in the process of contacting everyone else who offered help.

Representing North Cackalacky

Dopy · 07-03-2003, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick
I can understand why fellow webmasters wouldn't help each other get more traffic, but it baffles me no end why sponsor reps flat out refuse to give advice, or simply ignore requests for advice on how to send more traffic to thier sites.

If you don?t know how to go about getting more traffic then you should go back to basics. If this is the only question you are asking sponsors then - what 12clicks said.

But if you want advice on how to best integrate or promote then that?s a different story.

Coca-Cola will provide you with every conceivable marketing tool but they wont go out and find the customers for you.

Phoenix · 07-03-2003, 07:53 AM

what sort of advice are you looking for?

i am always happy to help someone willing to learn.

iwantchixx · 07-03-2003, 08:07 AM

I think i fried teh poor guy's brain in 20 minutes, SHowed himt eh wonderfull world of freesites and traffic maniulation

12clicks · 07-03-2003, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick

Having worked for a major corportation, I find this philosophy strange. Major manufacturers employ hundreds of people whose sole purpose is to help wholesalers drive more traffic and more sales. I find it odd that this industry does not have the same overall philosophy.

Just because a guy shows up with a pencil case does not mean that he should be taught architecture by the boss.
He needs to come with skills.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
I think i fried teh poor guy's brain in 20 minutes, SHowed himt eh wonderfull world of freesites and traffic maniulation

Eh...not totally fried...just slightly poached. It will take me a day or two to sort through everything and make sense of it, but it is all awesome advice. Thanks tons!!

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

Just because a guy shows up with a pencil case does not mean that he should be taught architecture by the boss.
He needs to come with skills.

I don't want to quarrel. I quarrel enough with my girlfriends. I have read a lot of your posts and respect your position in the industry. I'm not asking for any hand outs, just for some direction, that's all.

I appreciate all of those who have offered to point me in a better direction than I have been traveling for the past three years.

12clicks · 07-03-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick

I don't want to quarrel. I quarrel enough with my girlfriends. I have read a lot of your posts and respect your position in the industry. I'm not asking for any hand outs, just for some direction, that's all.

I appreciate all of those who have offered to point me in a better direction than I have been traveling for the past three years.

Then hit me up on icq. I'll give you advice.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

Then hit me up on icq. I'll give you advice.

What is your ICQ#

iwantchixx · 07-03-2003, 08:26 AM

I think this might be most helpful thread this guy will ever find on gfy. Lots of advice from people who have a foothold.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
I think this might be most helpful thread this guy will ever find on gfy. Lots of advice from people who have a foothold.

I think you are correct. I told you via ICQ that I had to go work on my day job, but all of you guys are being very helpful, so I decided that the boss can wait a few minutes.

seven · 07-03-2003, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick
It would sure seem to me that as an "account manager" for a sponsor, it would be beneficial to the site to give all the help you can to an affiliate.

Ever occured to you maybe the "account manager" is clueless himself? In the past, their advices simply made me laugh my ass off

12clicks · 07-03-2003, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick

What is your ICQ#

Still looking for handouts.

15600219

imageman · 07-03-2003, 08:42 AM

Try http://www.busty2.com these guys are always willing to talk to me about traffic and have given me a lot of help.

MikeB · 07-03-2003, 09:25 AM

B_Maverick,

You should stop by http://cewebmasters.com and check out the help that Rowdy gives webmasters. He does a great job of helping people out.

Mike B

-=HOAX=- · 07-03-2003, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

Still looking for handouts.
15600219

Wow...I never knew you where the generous type...

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 07:47 PM

Many thanks to all those who offered and extended help to me.

Carrie · 07-03-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by B_Maverick
Having worked for a major corportation, I find this philosophy strange. Major manufacturers employ hundreds of people whose sole purpose is to help wholesalers drive more traffic and more sales. I find it odd that this industry does not have the same overall philosophy.

I'm wondering what sponsors you've been working with, because honestly I've never met a sponsor (owner or rep) who wasn't completely willing to take the time to answer any questions I had. Matter of fact, when I first came to this side of the fence, I was blown away by the personalized help that each sponsor extended to their affiliates; you do *not* see that in the mainstream online affiliate programs. (Mainstream offline perhaps, but definitely not mainstream online.)

Anyhow after you get done talking with all of these guys, head over to Tom's Newbie Booster and read through his articles and tutorials...
http://www.tomsnewbiebooster.com/articles.html
You'll find a mind-blowing wealth of information there.

Sleazybear over at Net*Pond is also willing to bend over backwards to help you out, swing by the threaded forums and say hi.

B_Maverick · 07-03-2003, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie

I'm wondering what sponsors you've been working with, because honestly I've never met a sponsor (owner or rep) who wasn't completely willing to take the time to answer any questions I had. Matter of fact, when I first came to this side of the fence, I was blown away by the personalized help that each sponsor extended to their affiliates; you do *not* see that in the mainstream online affiliate programs. (Mainstream offline perhaps, but definitely not mainstream online.)

Anyhow after you get done talking with all of these guys, head over to Tom's Newbie Booster and read through his articles and tutorials...
http://www.tomsnewbiebooster.com/articles.html
You'll find a mind-blowing wealth of information there.

Sleazybear over at Net*Pond is also willing to bend over backwards to help you out, swing by the threaded forums and say hi.

Quite frankly, I must now agree with you completely. Obviously I simply asked the wrong sponsors for advice, because since posting this thread I have been overwhelmed with good advice (including yours).

07-03-2003, 06:20 AM	#1
B_Maverick Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 447	No help from sponsors? I can understand why fellow webmasters wouldn't help each other get more traffic, but it baffles me no end why sponsor reps flat out refuse to give advice, or simply ignore requests for advice on how to send more traffic to thier sites. It would sure seem to me that as an "account manager" for a sponsor, it would be beneficial to the site to give all the help you can to an affiliate. It makes me wonder if the name of the game is to "protect" the one or two guys who are actually making money, while telling the other 50,000 affiliates to just "go out and work hard", hoping for one or two sales a year from them. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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07-03-2003, 06:26 AM	#3
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cheekycherry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 1,703	Show em that you CAN send sales and I'm sure most would help you. I ain't gonna spend hours telling some lazy newb fuck how to make money without knowing they are gonna do something for it.

07-03-2003, 06:34 AM	#6
cheekycherry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 1,703	My last post was not to infer you were a lazy newb fuck, just answering your question.

07-03-2003, 06:40 AM	#8
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	If you are willing to contact me for help, I am willing to respond WITH help and advise. But you must understand, that if sponsors give you advice and help and walk you through things, at least put an effort into pushing the traffic. I do it myself soemtimes, I get in touch with sponsors, work out all the goodies, and on my end I never end up sending traffic until a long time down the road. Usualy within 2-3 months of initial contact. Mostly because I have other projects, or I just don't feel I have not grasped enough traffic yet to determine the validitity of the sponsor yet. Here is a perfect example, I worked out a strategy for promoting nakedcoolegegirls.tv yet I don't have enough targeted traffic to benefit his site yet. But when I do, I will push it. If your post was a cry for help I would be more than willing to get you on the right track promoting the site in my sig.

07-03-2003, 08:07 AM	#18
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I think i fried teh poor guy's brain in 20 minutes, SHowed himt eh wonderfull world of freesites and traffic maniulation

07-03-2003, 08:26 AM	#24
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I think this might be most helpful thread this guy will ever find on gfy. Lots of advice from people who have a foothold.

07-03-2003, 08:42 AM	#28
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Try http://www.busty2.com these guys are always willing to talk to me about traffic and have given me a lot of help.

07-03-2003, 09:25 AM	#29
MikeB Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012	B_Maverick, You should stop by http://cewebmasters.com and check out the help that Rowdy gives webmasters. He does a great job of helping people out. Mike B

07-03-2003, 07:47 PM	#31
B_Maverick Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 447	Many thanks to all those who offered and extended help to me. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com