New Ammendment in the senate to ban gay marriages

[XYCash]

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) said yesterday he supports a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriages in the United States.

Frist said the Supreme Court's decision last week on gay sex threatens to make the home a place where criminality is condoned.

The court on Thursday threw out a Texas law that prohibited acts of sodomy between gays in a private home, saying that such a prohibition violates the defendants' privacy rights under the Constitution.

"I have this fear that this zone of privacy that we all want protected in our own homes is gradually -- or I'm concerned about the potential for it gradually being encroached upon, where criminal activity within the home would in some way be condoned," Frist told ABC's "This Week."

Asked whether he supports an amendment that would ban any marriage in the United States except a union of a man and a woman, Frist said: "I very much feel that marriage is a sacrament, and that sacrament should extend and can extend to that legal entity of a union between -- what is traditionally in our Western values has been defined -- as between a man and a woman. So I would support the amendment."

Same-sex marriages are legal in Belgium and the Netherlands. Canada's Liberal government announced two weeks ago it would enact similar legislation soon.

Rep. Marilyn N. Musgrave (R-Colo.) was the main sponsor of the proposal offered May 22 to amend the Constitution. It was referred to the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution on Wednesday, the day before the high court ruled.

[Tala]

Leave it to a guy from Tennessee to show the world what close-mindedness really can be. A fucking Constitutional AMENDMENT to ban gay marriage is just fucking dumb.

Of course, we are the same country that tried banning alcohol as well.

*fuck*

[Lane]

they always need a minority group to pick on

[Mr Pheer]

I never understood how a country founded on the principle of freedom of religion can base its laws on the bible and the christian way of doing things.

[XYCash]

Welcome to the land of the free. They always go on about gay people fucking everything in sight, but when it comes to committing yourself to one person for the rest of your life they push through a ban.

[Centurion]

And to add my , why are some heterosexual's so insecure in their own sexuality that they are threatened by another person's sexuality?

I think it is so true when they say that people fear what they don't understand. And many times that fear gives way to hate!

[archer]

Originally posted by Tala
Leave it to a guy from Tennessee to show the world what close-mindedness really can be. A fucking Constitutional AMENDMENT to ban gay marriage is just fucking dumb.

Of course, we are the same country that tried banning alcohol as well.

*fuck*

i'm all for an amendment..... go for it! ban gay marriage!

it might even boost the Canadian economy as much as prohibition did

btw.... how does it work in the states?
what if an amendment possibly contracdicts something in the exisiting constitution?
can the supreme court say an amendment is unconstitutional?

[Cassie]

i truly think they have too much time on their hands therefore they just pick random shit to waste our tax dollars on.


and this week (drum roll please), a ban on gay marriages

stay tuned next week as we have, a law banning the use of pens in the workforce!

sometimes i wonder...........

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Lane
they always need a minority group to pick on

Good point. I remember a friend of mine telling me when the Soviet Union "fell" that gays would be the next "target" because the right wing desperately needs an "enemy" to rally the troops (read:money!).

I scoffed then. I scoff no more.

[Marcus]

It's just a matter of time before it's legal. Every year more and more people support it or don't care to oppose it.
Especially when people start pointing out how Canadians have more freedoms than Americans.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by archer




i'm all for an amendment..... go for it! ban gay marriage!

it might even boost the Canadian economy as much as prohibition did

btw.... how does it work in the states?
what if an amendment possibly contracdicts something in the exisiting constitution?
can the supreme court say an amendment is unconstitutional?

But one problem is that thanks to the "Defense of Marriage" act and other laws, law scolars say that even if you get married in Canada it would NOT be a legal marriage in the states.

[XYCash]

Originally posted by archer



btw.... how does it work in the states?
what if an amendment possibly contracdicts something in the exisiting constitution?
can the supreme court say an amendment is unconstitutional?

The United States Constitution is unusually difficult to amend. As spelled out in Article V, the Constitution can be amended in one of two ways. First, amendment can take place by a vote of two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a ratification of three-fourths of the various state legislatures (ratification by thirty-eight states would be required to ratify an amendment today). This first method of amendment is the only one used to date. Second, the Constitution might be amended by a Convention called for this purpose by two-thirds of the state legislatures, if the Convention's proposed amendments are later ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures.

Because any amendment can be blocked by a mere thirteen states withholding approval (in either of their two houses), amendments don't come easy. In fact, only 27 amendments have been ratified since the Constitution became effective, and ten of those ratifications occurred almost immediately--as the Bill of Rights. The very difficulty of amending the Constitution greatly increases the importance of Supreme Court decisions interpreting the Constitution, because reversal of the Court's decision by amendment is unlikely except in cases when the public's disagreement is intense and close to unanimous. Even unpopular Court decisions (such as the Court's protection of flagburning) are likely to stand unless the Court itself changes its collective mind.


http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...w/articleV.htm

[jollyperv]

They should ban rap music...that would be nice.

[CoolE]

I never understood how a country founded on the principle of freedom of religion can base its laws on the bible and the christian way of doing things.

You said it McPheer. The seperation of church and state in America is myth. Just a nice legal theory that isn't really believed or followed.

I'm curious, anyone know if there are any US Senators who are "out" as athiests? Are there any that brave I wonder?

Saddam Hussein had Christians in his cabinet; I wonder if George W would ever be open minded enough to appoint a "self-confessed" atheist to his. Well, I don't really wonder - I think we all know the answer.

[Mr.Fiction]

As I said in a previous post, this bigot also said that making gay sex legal is going to lead to the legalization of people doing drugs in their home and also the legalization of prostitution.

We sure wouldn't want people to be able to smoke pot in the privacy of their own homes. And prostitution being legal? That would be the downfall of the great Christian nation.

What a fucking religious idiot. Frist may claim to be conservative, but he's certainly not for states rights or less government in people's private lives.

[Snake Doctor]

CoolE, Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist.


I don't know why people get so worked up over this stuff, it'll never pass.
It takes a two-thirds majority to pass a constitutional amendment. They'll never get that.

Remember these are the same people that were for a consitutional amendment to ban abortion, and an amendment to ban flag burning.
They know it'll never pass but they have to stand on the Senate floor and thump their chests to keep their conservative base happy.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Lenny2
CoolE, Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist.


I don't know why people get so worked up over this stuff, it'll never pass.
It takes a two-thirds majority to pass a constitutional amendment. They'll never get that.

Remember these are the same people that were for a consitutional amendment to ban abortion, and an amendment to ban flag burning.
They know it'll never pass but they have to stand on the Senate floor and thump their chests to keep their conservative base happy.

Why get worked up? Because in this country you MUST stay vigilant at all times! If not, then we only have ourselves to blame.

[CoolE]

Originally posted by Lenny2
CoolE, Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist.

Actually I think Thomas Jefferson was a deist, not an atheist.

[jollyperv]

Originally posted by Lenny2
CoolE, Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist.


I don't know why people get so worked up over this stuff, it'll never pass.
It takes a two-thirds majority to pass a constitutional amendment. They'll never get that.

Remember these are the same people that were for a consitutional amendment to ban abortion, and an amendment to ban flag burning.
They know it'll never pass but they have to stand on the Senate floor and thump their chests to keep their conservative base happy.

Wasn't he a deist like the rest of them?

[jollyperv]

LOL, posted at the same time

[Webby]

The seperation of church and state in America is myth. Just a nice legal theory that isn't really believed or followed.

I got this wierd thought that in a democracy there was a division on state, church and judiciary. There is much made about church and state in the US, but they seem to have swept "judiciary" under the carpet.

Yea.. it is all a myth... and accepted as "otherwise" by a letharic load of peabrains - sad!

[Matt 26z]

Homosexual relationships are wrecking the American family system. This growing acceptance of the gay community in recent history is resulting in men seeking other men instead of having meaningful relationships with women.

Marrage is for men and women. There is no need for gay marrages when there are women out there for these men.

hahahhahaha..pfffffffffft! I really think that's how a great deal of American's (especially 40+) look at this issue. But just as racism generally doesn't exist in the younger age groups, neither does anti-gay sentiments. As the older Americans start to die off, many types of hate will go away.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Matt 26z
Homosexual relationships are wrecking the American family system. This growing acceptance of the gay community in recent history is resulting in men seeking other men instead of having meaningful relationships with women.

Marrage is for men and women. There is no need for gay marrages when there are women out there for these men.

hahahhahaha..pfffffffffft! I really think that's how a great deal of American's (especially 40+) look at this issue. But just as racism generally doesn't exist in the younger age groups, neither does anti-gay sentiments. As the older Americans start to die off, all types of hate will go away.

Well, I wish you were right! (err..CORRECT) But while the older population may tend to be more on the conservative side, I think there still exists a great deal of intolerance in the younger age groups as well..almost as much as in their elders.

And racisim sure is alive and well (unfortunately) in all ages as well.

[XYCash]

It's really gratifying to see there are so many open minded people here. You all are impressive

-joe

[Cassie]

Originally posted by Matt 26z
Homosexual relationships are wrecking the American family system. This growing acceptance of the gay community in recent history is resulting in men seeking other men instead of having meaningful relationships with women.

Marrage is for men and women. There is no need for gay marrages when there are women out there for these men.

hahahhahaha..pfffffffffft! I really think that's how a great deal of American's (especially 40+) look at this issue. But just as racism generally doesn't exist in the younger age groups, neither does anti-gay sentiments. As the older Americans start to die off, many types of hate will go away.

men and women have been in the closet about their sexuality since the turn of the century. it was more apparent how much they oppressed their feelings during the late 40's thru the 50's. to say that men and women were destined to be together, is to say that people as a whole were destined to be monogamous and if you look at our basic animal instinct, that is not so.

two men or two women (although not a path i would choose) can live together and raise a family just the same as a family with 2 people of the opposite sex. just because it is two men or two women does not make it any more harmful then a heterosexual couple. if anything, a relationship of the same sex is stronger because of the obsticals in the way.

i look at it this way, if those same sex people want to be together, then who the hell are we as a whole to judge. what we should be concerned with are those who are a one parent family. we should be worried that a child wont be left to die in a dumpster because the 20 y/o crack whore cant take care of her kid.

those are things we should worry about; not same sex marriages or relationships. if these relationships truly werent meant to be, then they wouldnt be but that is not the case.....

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by Cassie
stay tuned next week as we have, a law banning the use of pens in the workforce!

The only people who worry about who somebody else is having sex with or married to are people who aint getting fucked enough themselves. So on the count of 3 everyone face towards Washington DC and shout GFY!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't give a shit if some idiot wanted to marry his dog.
Technically that would it his bitch though.
I wouldn't give a shit if a rat wanted to marry a mosquito.

For the life of me I just can't understand why anyone would even give a shit much less actually waste our tax dollars debating a law over it.

America is the big lie. "We're free except for 300 years of slavery"; "Hitler commited genocide; but the Indians asked for it";
"All your votes count, except in Florida"; "we want peace in the world and that's why we're killing everybody"; "we will install democracy in Iraq; even though Sadam was already elected";
"church and state is separate but in God we trust is on your money"; "we will stamp out terrorist bombings but the KKK keeps on fire bombing"; "we're all equal under the law, except rich mother fuckers"; "you're innocent until proven guilty, but you start sevring jail time now until you prove you're innocent";
"if your name is OJ then you're still fucking guilty no mater what you prove"; "We have the world highest standard of living, except in the ghetto and trailer parks"; "United we stand, but in separate neighborhoods we live"; "we have the worlds best technology, because we buy it from Japan"; "we can defeat any country, as long as it's the size of Alabama"; "we have the best education system, the 40% drop-out rate is because of people who don't want to be american"; "Stop illegal immigration, except white people fron Canada, Eroupe, Austrailia....etc";
"we promote freedom and democray and the right of all citizens to vote, except in Isreal and the old South Africa";

I could go on for ever.

WMD = Weapons of Mass Decption

[Matt 26z]

Originally posted by Centurion
And racisim sure is alive and well (unfortunately) in all ages as well.

Granted, it's not non-existant. But nobody can say a 20 year old today has the same anti-black thoughts as his parents would have had at that age. And he certainly wouldn't look at blacks like his grandparents did then. It dies more and more with each generation.

The gay issue is another story. This is something that was America's little secret, and was extremely taboo to even talk about up until recent history.

So anti-gay values (we're talking HATE here, not "gays are gross") were generally not passed down from parent to child. Everyone just kinda formed their own opinion based on what they may have heard about the "gay lifestyle" from their friends.

But with the acceptance of gays in the media (especially MTV) just within the last several years, this sends a strong message to America's younger generations that it's ok to be whoever you are and to respect everyone.

If a poll was done asking 20's, 30's, 40's, etc.. if gay marrages are ok, I'm sure the oldest groups would give an overwhelming no. But as you go down one level, more people would say yes until you get to 20's where the vast majority would say yes.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by Cassie
if anything, a relationship of the same sex is stronger because of the obsticals in the way.

I think you meant testicles.

[archer]

Originally posted by XYCash
It's really gratifying to see there are so many open minded people here. You all are impressive

-joe

that's cuz it's the weekend! wait til monday and see if things change!

alll the monday morning homophobes will be out in force, i'm sure

[archer]

more on the constitution...

i recognize the american constitution is difficult to change.... but it's still easier than the canadian...

but i still have a question...... can an amendment could be passed that would reverse a supremme court judegment?

for example if the us supreme court were to say that gay marriage was legal and an amendment was passed saying that marriage was restricted to one man/one woman....

would this amendment be legal? ie can amendemtns be passed that conflict demonstrably with other clauses in the constitution?

[Dawgy]

theyre so worried about gay people corrupting the american way of life & our sacred "marriage"... wtf... the divorce rate in this country is approaching 75%....

maybe they ought to ban straight marriages until people can actually commit to someone for LIFE like they used to.

fucking hypocrites if you ask me

[Mr.Fiction]

I don't understand how gay people having the same rights as married people is a threat to anyone?

I don't think most gays are asking the government to force churches to allow them to be married in the church, they're just asking for equal standing under the law, right?

Like if a gay partner dies, the other partner has the same rights as a straight married partner.

I don't see how this is a threat to anyone, even religious fanatics. It's just asking for equal rights in the eyes of the government.

[HEARTBREAKER]

i really don't understand why???????????
they ban and some areas legalized it .....

[Centurion]

Originally posted by archer


that's cuz it's the weekend! wait til monday and see if things change!

alll the monday morning homophobes will be out in force, i'm sure

I was just going to say: All these posts so far on gfy and not ONE anti-gay post? WOW!

[XYCash]

Originally posted by archer
more on the constitution...

i recognize the american constitution is difficult to change.... but it's still easier than the canadian...

but i still have a question...... can an amendment could be passed that would reverse a supremme court judegment?

for example if the us supreme court were to say that gay marriage was legal and an amendment was passed saying that marriage was restricted to one man/one woman....

would this amendment be legal? ie can amendemtns be passed that conflict demonstrably with other clauses in the constitution?

Yep they can do that

[gothweb]

Originally posted by archer
more on the constitution...

i recognize the american constitution is difficult to change.... but it's still easier than the canadian...

but i still have a question...... can an amendment could be passed that would reverse a supremme court judegment?

for example if the us supreme court were to say that gay marriage was legal and an amendment was passed saying that marriage was restricted to one man/one woman....

would this amendment be legal? ie can amendemtns be passed that conflict demonstrably with other clauses in the constitution?

The Supreme Court can rule whether a law is in-line with the Constitution. An ammendment changes the Constitution. As such, obviosuly, an ammendment can't be unconstitutional-- it is part of it. The ammendment would make the Supreme Court ruling obsolete.

[gothweb]

By the way, what Frist is doing is a classic Republican ploy. Every senator knows how hard (nearly impossible) it is to get a Constitutional Ammendment passed. So, they know that they can stand up and say they support it, without worrying about the ramifications of it being passed. They get a good reaction from the far-right, and establish themselves as "real" Republicans, and can then go back to being wishy-washy moderates supporting big business.

[pornJester]

Our govt needs to take more time to look at areas that need reform instead of coming up with stupid shit to pass legislation on.

[XYCash]

Originally posted by gothweb
By the way, what Frist is doing is a classic Republican ploy. Every senator knows how hard (nearly impossible) it is to get a Constitutional Ammendment passed. So, they know that they can stand up and say they support it, without worrying about the ramifications of it being passed. They get a good reaction from the far-right, and establish themselves as "real" Republicans, and can then go back to being wishy-washy moderates supporting big business.

Yep, but there will be a huge debate over it. It will cause more division and anger in the country, especially considering we are now going into an election.

It will be interesting to see how Bush reacts to it.

[EscortBiz]

its only a matter of time before people face reality and notice that gays, prostitutes, gamblers, drug users dont really hurt anyone

[Maz]

so many lawmakers form their political ideology from their religious ideology. whatever happened to separation of church and state?

its a double standard to only believe in freedoms that fit into your religious views.

if you removed the christian and homophobic views from the gay marriage argument, there would be no argument. being christian or homophobic are choices people make, and should have no impact on other people's lives