If You HATE And Don't Use Popups Read This

[Meloman]

Ok I hear all the time about how webmasters hate popups and will never use them.

Most common reasons webmasters don't like them.

1. TGP owners - they want to keep bookmarkers
2. Affiliates - they don't want to loose there traffic to a sponsors popups. ( I disgaree with this reason entirely but that's a whole other discussion)

Ok here is how I use them. I want to hear a "legitimate" reason on why they are bad and I shouldn't use them.

1. I have tons of free sites that get premium SE traffic.
2. All these sites have at least 2 popups on exit.
3. I DO NOT want bookmarkers. I get the traffic and get them off my site ASAP to a sponsor through banners & text links. I'm hoping they DON'T get to my gallery and freeload.

Poups on these sites
1. Get me extra sales because I can send the surfer somewhere instead of letting them back up to the SearchEngine they came from.
2. Can be used to test out a new sponsor - rather than having to build a bunch of new sites I can just switch my universal exit to show a new sponsor...blam easy quick traffic to test stuff.
3. Can be used to feed traffic to any new project I start.

So without a piss match can some please give me a valid reason on why I should be a "nice guy" and not use popups?

[RoTT]

Originally posted by RoTT

what ^ said

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by RoTT

I usually think replies like the one above are stupid but in this case he's right. Why would anyone here care enough to try and convince you to be a "nice guy"? No one cares. Popups suck ass because they are abused. Soon they will be obsolete because surfers are all installing popup blockers. Why are they doing this? Because people like you stop them from "going back to the search engine they came from". They are sick of that bullshit and you've shot yourself in the foot. Time to find a new method of marketing.

SpaceAce

[maxjohan]

because surfers hate pop-ups..

[funkmaster]

... I have one that can´t get closed unless you reboot your system, it´s pops a different adult site every 3 minutes ... I receive about 50 surfer complaint emails per day but make about the same amount of signups daily ... do I care ??

NO !!

[Mr.Fiction]

Will paysites lower their payouts if popups really go away?

I bet a lot of the anti-popup crowd would change their mind if they suddenly lost 25% of their income.

[Meloman]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


Because people like you stop them from "going back to the search engine they came from". They are sick of that bullshit and you've shot yourself in the foot.
SpaceAce

Ok that's a legitimate answer.

Originally posted by SpaceAce


I usually think replies like the one above are stupid but in this case he's right. Why would anyone here care enough to try and convince you to be a "nice guy"? No one cares.
SpaceAce

Ok, you're right. You don't know me and I don't know you. Why actually try to help each other learn different marketing approches... after all this is GFY and the only thing worth doing here is piss matches.

Ok got your point guys....

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... I have one that can´t get closed unless you reboot your system, it´s pops a different adult site every 3 minutes ... I receive about 50 surfer complaint emails per day but make about the same amount of signups daily ... do I care ??

NO !!

Good for you. Have fun once popup blockers are on 90% of systems.

SpaceAce

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Will paysites lower their payouts if popups really go away?

I bet a lot of the anti-popup crowd would change their mind if they suddenly lost 25% of their income.

check the payouts on 'no console' tours vs. 'console' tours for the more popular programs.

[PerfectionGirls]

If pop-ups are done will it wont annoy the surfer and you can hold the traffic. We exit to our own sites in hpa's.. they work great and convert even better. We have a "friends" section on our site where we keep our sponsors tht was the best move we ever made. Surfers who click though to that "friends" page convert big time.... our overall conversions on that sponsor page is under 1:100. Good traffic hits that page.

Ok.. back to my nap!

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


check the payouts on 'no console' tours vs. 'console' tours for the more popular programs.

I'm too lazy to check. Can you just tell me?

Ok, I looked at Nasty Dollars. Looks like they pay the same?

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


I'm too lazy to check. Can you just tell me?

Ok, I looked at Nasty Dollars. Looks like they pay the same?

25-30$ per vs. $35-$40. 25%.

Nasty pops to their own sites with your referral ID.

[Krome]

I dont use pop ups but can see that they work if used properly and dont abuse the surfer.

Personally they piss me off but then again I just brought from a store because a pop up showed me exactly what I wanted so maybe they helped me and helped that store, which I had never heard of.

[Meloman]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
If pop-ups are done will it wont annoy the surfer and you can hold the traffic. We exit to our own sites in hpa's.. they work great and convert even better. We have a "friends" section on our site where we keep our sponsors tht was the best move we ever made. Surfers who click though to that "friends" page convert big time.... our overall conversions on that sponsor page is under 1:100. Good traffic hits that page.

Ok.. back to my nap!

hmm, the friends section sounds like a very interesting idea

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by Meloman


Ok, you're right. You don't know me and I don't know you. Why actually try to help each other learn different marketing approches... after all this is GFY and the only thing worth doing here is piss matches.

Ok got your point guys....

Don't get defensive. You're not really looking for knowledge or help. We've all seen this conversation a million times. You've already made up your mind on this topic and if I listed 10 reasons why you shouldn't use popups you would list ten responses showing me why I'm wrong and they make you money. It happens over and over and over again.

In the end, what we tell you is moot. You're either going to take the popups off or not.

SpaceAce

[StupidNewbie]

I have some surfer friendly sites, mostly I just jerk them around for a little bit if they are wasting space. Nothing wrong with that imho. To each his own, as long as you're not fucking other webmasters or breaking laws - do what you can (within reason) to make money.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


25-30$ per vs. $35-$40. 25%.

Nasty pops to their own sites with your referral ID.

That makes sense. With Nasty you'll lose the money directly from the sales. With the others, they will take the money out because they're losing the money.

Do you think about 25% less for non-popup tour signups?

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Will paysites lower their payouts if popups really go away?

I bet a lot of the anti-popup crowd would change their mind if they suddenly lost 25% of their income.

Only the per sign-up and not everyone even uses those. There's a lot of good revshares with no pop-ups.

[Meloman]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


Don't get defensive. You're not really looking for knowledge or help. We've all seen this conversation a million times. You've already made up your mind on this topic and if I listed 10 reasons why you shouldn't use popups you would list ten responses showing me why I'm wrong and they make you money. It happens over and over and over again.

In the end, what we tell you is moot. You're either going to take the popups off or not.

SpaceAce

No prob.. I guess after yours was like the 3rd in a row "I don't care" reply I got defensive.. Other's finally starting replying and there's actually been a few pro's and con's mentioned. And there has actually been an alternate idea or two mentioned.

And to be totaly honest I actually want to hear real valid reasons on why NOT to use popus.. how can not using them somehow increase my bottom line in alternate method?

Maybe hearing the pro's and cons from both sides will spark some ideas

[Undutchable]

Originally posted by Meloman


No prob.. I guess after yours was like the 3rd in a row "I don't care" reply I got defensive.. Other's finally starting replying and there's actually been a few pro's and con's mentioned. And there has actually been an alternate idea or two mentioned.

And to be totaly honest I actually want to hear real valid reasons on why NOT to use popus.. how can not using them somehow increase my bottom line in alternate method?

Maybe hearing the pro's and cons from both sides will spark some ideas

Your post sounds like you're having an internal conflict about your use of popups. Your opinion that popups are somehow actually a bad aspect of online entrepeneurship causes cognitive dissonance with the fact that you use them. Coming here to defend the use of popups will consequently strengthen the opinion that popups are actually a good business practice, and thus reduce your cognitive dissonance.

Either that, or we're actually seeing a constructive discussion at GFY... But that seems unlikely

[fatbaby]

Melo, Like you, on my SE sites, I use pop-ups... several of them... they are easy to close, I dont do anything 'funky' with them, and they are generally niche or sub-niche leading to a 'general' multi-site ad.... they work, if they did not, I'd take em down! ;-)

HOWEVER... like some have mentioned.. on several of my sites, I don't use pop-ups at all... my link lists, tgp, filter sites, Search Engine, ect... I want those surfers coming back....

It's dependent on the type of site, and what you expect from it... saying NO POPUP's, without regard to where they are used, and how would be detremental to my bottom line...

;-)

[Meloman]

Hey Fatbaby! Waaazup. Long time no chat dude!

[Lane]

http://toolbar.google.com/index-beta.php

[blackmonsters]

Popups just like auto-submitters work but webmasters simply abused them to the point where they are hated.

Before I became a webmaster I would back out of a paysite to see what happened before I signed up. If there were abusive popups or back button tricks then I didn't trust the paysite and would not sign up. I was new to the internet and this was my way of trying to avoid getting ripped off. I thought "if the site has to do all this to make money then maybe they are a rip-off site".

[Dopy]

Originally posted by Meloman

3. I DO NOT want bookmarkers. I get the traffic and get them off my site ASAP to a sponsor through banners & text links. I'm hoping they DON'T get to my gallery and freeload.

Please send them all to me I love them.

[jayeff]

Remembering back to when we first started using popups, the main comments were along the lines of how great it was we had found another way to jerk the surfer around. Laughs all round. Warps: man, the guy who came up with them was a hero in his own lunchtime.

Face it, the money was so easy then, no-one really counted how it was earned. Then it started getting crazy and people had to justify what they were doing. Enter the magic "I earn 20% extra from consoles".

I'm damn sure sponsors earn off consoles, but maybe the main reason for that is they get so much untargeted traffic ("I want him off my page as fast as possible"). Maybe too, and this is one of the things I don't like living with the suspicion of, sometimes they would rather be selling off their consoles?

But individual webmasters? For most, the console is just a lazy person's tool. I will hit someone with a console if he doesn't click anything at all on a page, but otherwise I work on filtering and on any page the surfers gets the main sell and some options: ie build the console onto the page. I figure have a lot more chance of getting a click on a page someone is already browsing than from a window 90% will close before it gets open properly.

[Marv]

Surfers become numb to it, and will simply try to close down any popups, even a single ligitamate popup. The good thing about popups, you'll be making pop-stopper software companies much more money that way.

[sweetcuties]

I hate popups/exits and so do most surfers

[StacyCat]

I have an exit popup off the last pages of my site, I have no pops from the front page. I also offer a popup and link free affilaite tour for my partners.

I dont make tons of money off my popups, but it does bring me extra traffic. The most productive trades are from other webgirls.

[digifan]

I agree with SpaceAce 100% and need bookmarkers and followers.

[12clicks]

if you don['t like popups, you don't like money. period.
Popups are used becaude they work.

[angelsofporn]

i added an exit to our tour 3 months ago just to test it out...gained us about 10% in rev...signups the same...

[Forkbeard]

So without a piss match can some please give me a valid reason on why I should be a "nice guy" and not use popups?

Because you are pissing in the well.

Popups are the single biggest reason I hear why many guys refuse to use the internet to look at porn. At all. Once or twice losing entire control of your computer is enough to make most non-computer types refuse to ever click anything that looks remotely like a porn link. And that potential customer is lost to the entire industry, forever.

[Carrie]

It's the abuse that did it - seems the mantra in this biz is to take everything good and rape it so hard that it won't do anyone any good anymore.

I was just recently in a group of about 20 webmasters who were going to work together with a particular traffic source and try something new. The shit that went on was amazing; even in such a small group people were climbing over each other to be the first to spam the traffic source, spam our internal gallery pool, do all kinds of shit that you would *think* you wouldn't even have to mention in the company of experienced webmasters.
They took every inch and went 300 miles with it and ruined it for all of us.

Same thing with pop-ups. Yes, they're effective. Yes, they work.
But the reason surfers hate them is because some folks have the attitude of "I'll pop you and *keep* popping until you signup or have to reboot your machine", and they're ruining it for everyone.

The next time someone comes up with a great idea like pop-ups, start working feverishly on a program that combats it (like pop-up blockers) and get your site up ASAP. True to the "exploit it until it dies" format, the adult webmasters *will* overuse the idea so much that sufers will soon be flocking to programs that simply make the shit go away.

[vapser]

Originally posted by maxjohan
because surfers hate pop-ups..

Enough said!

[psyko514]

Just Do It.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Will paysites lower their payouts if popups really go away?

I bet a lot of the anti-popup crowd would change their mind if they suddenly lost 25% of their income.

Damn right they will lower payouts when/if pop-up blockers get to a point where it hurts their business. I can understand TGP's and such not liking stuff like stealing the back button or a console trap, but a chain of a exits that still allows them to go back to the page they came from should be no big deal yet that oftentimes is even frowned upon.

[XYCash]

Did you ever think that pop-ups have pretty much become a way of life for the internet? Much like TV commercials are for regular TV.

We're even getting commercials now when we pay to go see a movie in a theatre.

Do you really think your average joe surfer is going to install pop-up blockers? Most of them barely know how to formulate a sentence in proper english

Hell...I personally get annoyed by my own sites pop-ups and I don't even have any type of pop-up blocker installed.

Yes, some surfers don't like them, but as long as they convert well, and for us they convert around 1 in 100 - they will stick around because as long as they are coverting that means some surfers like them.