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candyflip · 06-25-2003, 10:17 PM

griffin
I love sucking Choker's dick for free traffic.

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Enough said...goodnight.

griffin · 06-25-2003, 10:19 PM

You are a joke, I get no traffic from Choker. I am not afiliated with Choker.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-25-2003, 10:25 PM

this is becoming alot to read, lol

thefreakybeaver · 06-25-2003, 10:34 PM

candyflip I have been following this stupid move of yours for weeks now and I must say that you are for sure a THIEF and a CHEATER.

You keep saying it's not 100% the same as TTT code. Now how about you tell us just what percentage of it is TTT's code?

If you were to strip ALL the code out of it that was "added" etc, what % of what's left would be identical to TTT code?

Would be interested to see your answer and the answer from a programmer who does the same thing and analyzes it.

I don't know choker or you, just sick of kids who think they can hotlink, copy and steal from hardworking webmasters and then throw it in their faces.

I also suggest you GET ANOTHER lawyer as saying the code has to be 100% identical is just stupid and not the law.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-25-2003, 10:42 PM

I cant beleive i started a thread that became a flame war, and im actually not the focus of it

sheesh, wtf is this board coming to?

Dopy · 06-26-2003, 03:39 AM

I have looked at the in php of both of these scripts just to see how they were tracking uniques. They both use cookie time but the overkill version will not set a tracking cookie if you are using SSI to call the in php which means it will not store unique click data only raw. It also appears that the maths for checking the cookie time are incorrect which means that even if you are getting cookies set the raw/unique data will be incorrect.

If you are using overkill on your site take a look at the raw and unique stats, the values should be the same unless I have missed something.

There?s no doubt that overkill is a rip of TTT but there?s a lot of code changes and additions in overkill that probably get it around the copyright laws - not sure.

If I was the owner of the TTT script then I would be pissed too.

Reak · 06-26-2003, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by candyflip
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AdultNex · 06-26-2003, 04:00 AM

Choker,

I hope you have contacted the owners of the TGP who use CJOverkill.

Otherwise, without a warning, that is just plain obnoxious of those who aren't aware of the "penalities" that result from using the script.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 04:24 AM

Copyright infringement can cover a piece of intellectual property in whole or in part. And reproduction of that copyrighted property can be prosecutable for the entire work, or just parts of the work.

However, if someone sues you for just parts of the work that were reproduced, they have to prove that those parts were unique to ONLY their property at the time it was created.

Case and point... music. There's been literally thousands of lawsuits filed by musicians who claim that a loop or melody in their song was reproduced in another person's song. A loop can be just one part of the entire piece of work.

Some of these cases can be proven, some can not. They have to show 100% reproduction of that one PIECE of work, not necessarily the entire thing as a whole.

But again, it's the burden of the accuser to prove this, and to prove that the parts allegedly stolen were unique to them at the time they were produced.

PS: I am not a lawyer, but I have spoken to a few about patents and copyrights over the years.

PPS: Such proof that a piece of work was copyrighted to a particular company or individual at a certain time can be unconditionally substanciated if that person had simply registered the copyright with the US Copyright Office soon after the time of production. If it's on file, it's a gold standard to win 99% of the cases of copyright infringement.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by candyflip

I've spoken to a few more capable coders...and for your claim to have any basis, our code MUST BE 100% identical to yours. That is from the programming community. 119 not = 273

Better seek out a second or third professional opinion on this. Because what you are stating here is actually how patent and trademark laws work. In order to be infringing on a patent, it would have to be a 100% identical reproduction or usage of the entire protected work. But that's not so with Copyrights. In certain cases, only part of a copyrighted property need to be reproduced in order for an infringement to be made. Refer to my post above.

However, I am not a lawyer, so you'd need to contact a good lawyer who SPECIALIZES in this (same goes for Choker). In fact, it wouldn't hurt to talk to several specialists in the field, because I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct. I've actually pursued copyright and Trademark infringements in the past. Luckily, they were all resolved out of court.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 05:07 AM

Also, I'm not sure if an entire trade script as a whole would be protected by a copyright anyway. In order to fully prosecute thieves, it may require a patent.

"Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something - patenting does. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work." -- according to inventors.about.com

I'm not sure about that though. Might be able to find more about it here:

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa032801a.htm

candyflip · 06-26-2003, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gman.357

Better seek out a second or third professional opinion on this. Because what you are stating here is actually how patent and trademark laws work. In order to be infringing on a patent, it would have to be a 100% identical reproduction or usage of the entire protected work. But that's not so with Copyrights. In certain cases, only part of a copyrighted property need to be reproduced in order for an infringement to be made. Refer to my post above.

However, I am not a lawyer, so you'd need to contact a good lawyer who SPECIALIZES in this (same goes for Choker). In fact, it wouldn't hurt to talk to several specialists in the field, because I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct. I've actually pursued copyright and Trademark infringements in the past. Luckily, they were all resolved out of court.

Thanks for your insite. Like you, I am no lawyer. I mentioned that we have sought the advice from counsel on both sides of the Atlantic. According to the lawyers, we are in no violation. Choker may feel that he is standing up for his rights, but he has not proven his case in a court of law as you mentioned. Instead he choses to take matters into his own hands.

We would love to settle this matter, so that all can move on and continue to do business.

To thefreakybeaver, unless you have something constructive to add...you're just slinging mud. My partner put together a great script and I'm standing by him.

Dopy...on all the versions I'm running, my raws and uniques are 99 times out of 100 different. I can't code to save my life...so I'm guessing you missed something somewhere.

thefreakybeaver · 06-26-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by candyflip

To thefreakybeaver, unless you have something constructive to add...you're just slinging mud. My partner put together a great script and I'm standing by him.

HA I knew there would be no answer to my VALID questions. Slinging mud, no. Slinging the truth. Also, even if by some chance you could win in a court of law, you are still morally guilty of COPYING and THEIVING others hard work PERIOD!

I saw your post on choker's board when all of this first started. You and "your friend" are thieves. There is no way around this. You know it, "your friend" knows it, Choker knows it and now 75% of the adult webmasters in the biz know it

Is that constructive enough for ya?

Now answer the question. What percentage of the script after all the "enchancements" are stripped from the code is the same as TTT?

skazzel · 06-26-2003, 07:11 AM

If you copy even one line of code out of another program, it is STEALING. If you take a Tom Clancy novel and add a few lines here and there, slap your name on it and try to sell it you will be in court so fast your head will spin.

Even if you look at the source code to a program and then write something similar it can be a copyright violation. Even if the code isn't identical - if it is implemeted using very similar methods it can be a violation. In the software industry we have what is called a "clean room implementation". This is an implementation done by coders who have never looked at the code of whatever software they are "copying" (sometimes called "virgins").

Candyass err...I mean Candyflip is stupid and a liar. There is no way any lawyer has looked at what he is doing and said it is ok. Unless said lawyer got one of those mail-order degrees.

That said, I see no point in copying TTT. What it does is not very complicated and it isn't even written well. If you are going to steal, at least steal something worth stealing.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by skazzel

Even if the code isn't identical - if it is implemeted using very similar methods it can be a violation.

Is there an example documented where this is proven? Making something similar (but not exact) to something else is not a copyright violation. If this were true, everyone would sue everyone.

What Choker is saying is that the exact code was used, and simply modified. This means there should be a whole lot of code still in there that is an exact copy. That would be where the violation occurs. Duplication of the code. Assuming the code used on TTT was 100% unique as well.

skazzel · 06-26-2003, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Is there an example documented where this is proven? Making something similar (but not exact) to something else is not a copyright violation. If this were true, everyone would sue everyone.

I don't mean just making something similar or even that does the same thing - this is only an issue if patents are involved. I mean if the acutal code itself is implemented in a similar fashion (ie - it incorporates ideas / algorithms) or goes about solving the problems in the same way. This is not an issue if the programmers of the supposed offending software have never seen the source code to the other software - if they write the code independently and happen to do so a similar fashion, then so be it.

Consider the following. You write a program that solves a complicated problem. I then am given the opportunity to look at the source code for whatever reason and do so. I then write a program that does the same thing as yours. I don't copy and paste the code directly, but I have seen the clever and non-obvious methods you used to solve the problem and I use these methods in my program. I would be committing a copyright violation.

If someone takes the latest Harry Potter book and writes a very similar book, but changes a few inconsequential details here and there, they will still be sued by Rowling's publishers for copyright violations.

skazzel · 06-26-2003, 08:11 AM

Since you asked for references - here are some links straight from the U.S. Copyright Office.

Copyright Basics
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

See the very first section:

Quote:

WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?

Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of ?original works of authorship,? including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:

* To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
* To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
* To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
* To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
* To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and
* In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

Also the Copyright FAQ

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html

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How much do I have to change in order to claim copyright in someone else's work?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner's consent.

Scuzz · 07-04-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
Here we go Candyflip, here's the first list of TGP's using a stolen script, oh yeah, I included their host name also

fucked-teens.net - www.advancedhosters.com
fotobestias.com - www.sxnetworks.com
vanessa-choi.com - www.candidhosting.com
ucumsee.com - www.colo-cation.com
cumhounds.com - same as above
hotcyberporn.com - same as above.
tokyotart.com - same as above.
assandpussy.com - same as above.
titsee.com - www.cobaltweb.com

I am sure this list will grow. Thanks to the guys sending me this info. Just message me in CTTS for your payments for this info.

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultNex
Choker,

I hope you have contacted the owners of the TGP who use CJOverkill.

Otherwise, without a warning, that is just plain obnoxious of those who aren't aware of the "penalities" that result from using the script.

Well, I'll be buggered! I hate having to spend hours on this silly BBS just to find out what the hell's going on.
Yes, Choker, I'm Scuzz, not Candyflip.
No, Adultnex, I wasn't contacted.
BTW choker, none of the sites of mine listed above have got, or have ever had CJoverkill installed on them.
The site you were actually looking for is http://www.honest-ed.com
I dunno who sent you all the "cool info", but you obviously never checked the sites out. Maybe you should take your traffic and/or $$$ back.

The first I heard of all this, was when my partner noticed that a site was blacklisted from findtrades.com
I started a search for my sites, and sure enuff some of them were blacklisted. I then wrote to you, Choker.
I got 2 emails back. One asking if I was sure I wasn't Candyflip, whom I had never heard of. I replied that no, I wasn't. (I'm still not)
The second email I recieved is as follows.
"NM, now I see, yes your sites are using this stolen script, you also posted on his bbs board after the post about the script being stolen, so how could you have missed this? I have yet to send C&D letters to the sites hosts using this script, when I get around to it I will.
Choker"
Yes, I had posted on Icefires board after some guy named "hitman" made some threat. I've seen threats before, and discounted it. I was certainly not aware of any other controversy.

I was testing the script on a site that gets pretty much bugger all traffic, just to see how it worked (or if it worked)
I have tried TTT on a few sites, and I've had problems and no support.
I even got locked out of the admin on one site. for some reason.
Posted on Chokers board about it, but was seemingly ignored. I replaced the affected scripts database with one from one of my other TTT sites, and could log in.
Switched back, and was locked out again. Deleted the whole shebang, and reinstalled to a different database, added all trades, etc. Still couldn't get in for some reason.
Switched to TD or something.
I then went on a search for free trading scripts. I'm currently trying:
Traffic Drive
Clickzs
Arrowtrader
TTT
TGPtrader
TTpro
CJultra
Overkill
and I think I've dumped a couple of others.
BTW, TD and Arrowtrader look good!
I don't have enough traffic on honest-ed to really be able to see if the anti-cheat measures of overkill work well enough for my purposes.

That's the story, and if I had been made aware that overkill is/was illegal in your mind, I would have removed it.
I doubt very much that publishing all the wrong sites has done you any good.
I've been doing this (Smut) for a few years now, and have nothing to hide.

pantymaniac · 07-04-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Scuzz

Well, I'll be buggered! I hate having to spend hours on this silly BBS just to find out what the hell's going on.
Yes, Choker, I'm Scuzz, not Candyflip.
No, Adultnex, I wasn't contacted.
BTW choker, none of the sites of mine listed above have got, or have ever had CJoverkill installed on them.
The site you were actually looking for is http://www.honest-ed.com
I dunno who sent you all the "cool info", but you obviously never checked the sites out. Maybe you should take your traffic and/or $$$ back.

The first I heard of all this, was when my partner noticed that a site was blacklisted from findtrades.com
I started a search for my sites, and sure enuff some of them were blacklisted. I then wrote to you, Choker.
I got 2 emails back. One asking if I was sure I wasn't Candyflip, whom I had never heard of. I replied that no, I wasn't. (I'm still not)
The second email I recieved is as follows.
"NM, now I see, yes your sites are using this stolen script, you also posted on his bbs board after the post about the script being stolen, so how could you have missed this? I have yet to send C&D letters to the sites hosts using this script, when I get around to it I will.
Choker"
Yes, I had posted on Icefires board after some guy named "hitman" made some threat. I've seen threats before, and discounted it. I was certainly not aware of any other controversy.

I was testing the script on a site that gets pretty much bugger all traffic, just to see how it worked (or if it worked)
I have tried TTT on a few sites, and I've had problems and no support.
I even got locked out of the admin on one site. for some reason.
Posted on Chokers board about it, but was seemingly ignored. I replaced the affected scripts database with one from one of my other TTT sites, and could log in.
Switched back, and was locked out again. Deleted the whole shebang, and reinstalled to a different database, added all trades, etc. Still couldn't get in for some reason.
Switched to TD or something.
I then went on a search for free trading scripts. I'm currently trying:
Traffic Drive
Clickzs
Arrowtrader
TTT
TGPtrader
TTpro
CJultra
Overkill
and I think I've dumped a couple of others.
BTW, TD and Arrowtrader look good!
I don't have enough traffic on honest-ed to really be able to see if the anti-cheat measures of overkill work well enough for my purposes.

That's the story, and if I had been made aware that overkill is/was illegal in your mind, I would have removed it.
I doubt very much that publishing all the wrong sites has done you any good.
I've been doing this (Smut) for a few years now, and have nothing to hide.

Hey YO ,

Be nice to Choker , you want to be Dumbass of the Month or what

blieve me we can vote for you for free traffic , be aware

"we sold our soul to Choker Traffic" ..

Choker · 07-04-2003, 08:11 PM

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The site you were actually looking for is http://www.honest-ed.com

You installed a stolen version of TTT on your site, thus all your sites are blacklisted. When the script is no longer on your site I will unblacklist all your sites. If you install a stolen version of CJultra, UCJ, TM3, or any other stolen script, all your sites will be blacklisted. A thief is a thief is a thief. You damned well knew the script was stolen BEFORE you posted on his BBS board. I spend lots of time and energy on the findtrades database, I sure as hell am not going to let thieves use it. Unitl I get the time and energy to get C&D letters made up and sent to the hosts of sites using this hacked script, I will blacklist them from all my programs. Anyone reported for stealing or being a thief in findtrades is checked out, if confirmed they are blacklisted. So don't make it look like I am using findtrades for my own grudges. It does not work that way.

lil2rich4u2 · 07-04-2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
I spend lots of time and energy on the findtrades database, I sure as hell am not going to let thieves use it.

the other script uses the findtrades dB as well?? How is that possible, isnt it your dB?

06-25-2003, 10:16 PM	#101
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06-25-2003, 10:17 PM	#102
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	griffin I love sucking Choker's dick for free traffic. Registered: May 2003 Location: Posts: 17 Enough said...goodnight. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

06-25-2003, 10:25 PM	#104
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06-25-2003, 10:42 PM	#106
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06-26-2003, 04:24 AM	#110
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Copyright infringement can cover a piece of intellectual property in whole or in part. And reproduction of that copyrighted property can be prosecutable for the entire work, or just parts of the work. However, if someone sues you for just parts of the work that were reproduced, they have to prove that those parts were unique to ONLY their property at the time it was created. Case and point... music. There's been literally thousands of lawsuits filed by musicians who claim that a loop or melody in their song was reproduced in another person's song. A loop can be just one part of the entire piece of work. Some of these cases can be proven, some can not. They have to show 100% reproduction of that one PIECE of work, not necessarily the entire thing as a whole. But again, it's the burden of the accuser to prove this, and to prove that the parts allegedly stolen were unique to them at the time they were produced. PS: I am not a lawyer, but I have spoken to a few about patents and copyrights over the years. PPS: Such proof that a piece of work was copyrighted to a particular company or individual at a certain time can be unconditionally substanciated if that person had simply registered the copyright with the US Copyright Office soon after the time of production. If it's on file, it's a gold standard to win 99% of the cases of copyright infringement. __________________ Ouch. Last edited by Gman.357; 06-26-2003 at 04:29 AM..

06-25-2003, 10:19 PM	#103
griffin Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 87	You are a joke, I get no traffic from Choker. I am not afiliated with Choker.

06-25-2003, 10:34 PM	#105
thefreakybeaver Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 296	candyflip I have been following this stupid move of yours for weeks now and I must say that you are for sure a THIEF and a CHEATER. You keep saying it's not 100% the same as TTT code. Now how about you tell us just what percentage of it is TTT's code? If you were to strip ALL the code out of it that was "added" etc, what % of what's left would be identical to TTT code? Would be interested to see your answer and the answer from a programmer who does the same thing and analyzes it. I don't know choker or you, just sick of kids who think they can hotlink, copy and steal from hardworking webmasters and then throw it in their faces. I also suggest you GET ANOTHER lawyer as saying the code has to be 100% identical is just stupid and not the law.

06-26-2003, 03:39 AM	#107
Dopy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Puerto Del Carmen, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,572	I have looked at the in php of both of these scripts just to see how they were tracking uniques. They both use cookie time but the overkill version will not set a tracking cookie if you are using SSI to call the in php which means it will not store unique click data only raw. It also appears that the maths for checking the cookie time are incorrect which means that even if you are getting cookies set the raw/unique data will be incorrect. If you are using overkill on your site take a look at the raw and unique stats, the values should be the same unless I have missed something. There?s no doubt that overkill is a rip of TTT but there?s a lot of code changes and additions in overkill that probably get it around the copyright laws - not sure. If I was the owner of the TTT script then I would be pissed too.

06-26-2003, 04:00 AM	#109
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	Choker, I hope you have contacted the owners of the TGP who use CJOverkill. Otherwise, without a warning, that is just plain obnoxious of those who aren't aware of the "penalities" that result from using the script.

06-26-2003, 05:07 AM	#112
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Also, I'm not sure if an entire trade script as a whole would be protected by a copyright anyway. In order to fully prosecute thieves, it may require a patent. "Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something - patenting does. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work." -- according to inventors.about.com I'm not sure about that though. Might be able to find more about it here: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa032801a.htm __________________ Ouch.

06-26-2003, 07:11 AM	#115
skazzel Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 270	If you copy even one line of code out of another program, it is STEALING. If you take a Tom Clancy novel and add a few lines here and there, slap your name on it and try to sell it you will be in court so fast your head will spin. Even if you look at the source code to a program and then write something similar it can be a copyright violation. Even if the code isn't identical - if it is implemeted using very similar methods it can be a violation. In the software industry we have what is called a "clean room implementation". This is an implementation done by coders who have never looked at the code of whatever software they are "copying" (sometimes called "virgins"). Candyass err...I mean Candyflip is stupid and a liar. There is no way any lawyer has looked at what he is doing and said it is ok. Unless said lawyer got one of those mail-order degrees. That said, I see no point in copying TTT. What it does is not very complicated and it isn't even written well. If you are going to steal, at least steal something worth stealing. __________________ FTVGirls simply convert better. More free content than SobeGirl and conversions almost as good as Swoit!