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Buff · 06-23-2003, 01:03 PM

Supreme Court Upholds Affirmative Action

In its most important statements on affirmative action in a quarter-century, the Supreme Court narrowly upheld the admissions policy of the University of Michigan law school today, finding that minority applicants may be given an edge

The question that no one will ask is, "Are blacks inferior?"

Why do they need extra help?

We talk about things like "Equal Protection" and yet we give them preferential treatment, just like we would give children or the handicapped.

Now, if blacks really are inferior, it's our moral obligation to give them preferential treatment. But if they're not, then it's immoral to give them preferential treatment.

So which is it?

Personally, I don't think blacks are inferior.

xxxdesign-net · 06-23-2003, 01:18 PM

is that a subject close to your heart?

didnt you started a similar thread 2 weeks ago?

neuromancer · 06-23-2003, 01:19 PM

I want lil2white4u's opinion.

Buff · 06-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
is that a subject close to your heart?

didnt you started a similar thread 2 weeks ago?

Yes, it is a subject close to my heart, and no, I didn't start a thread like this before.

Sly_RJ · 06-23-2003, 01:21 PM

No, they are not inferior. Either are the disabled. Which is why affirmative action can suck my skinny 2 inch cock, hard.

xxxdesign-net · 06-23-2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buff

Yes, it is a subject close to my heart, and no, I didn't start a thread like this before.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=affirm ative

alias · 06-23-2003, 01:23 PM

nah d0g, whitey dun juss kep m dawn aa deez yeers

woodman · 06-23-2003, 01:27 PM

I would like to start the movement to lower all basketball goals by at least a foot and only allow us white guys to shoot at it.

Buff · 06-23-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=affirm ative

That was not very similar -- I was being silly in that one.

High Quality · 06-23-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by woodman
I would like to start the movement to lower all basketball goals by at least a foot and only allow us white guys to shoot at it.

W00t. If the blackies want equality all around, they get to be dumber going into universities and the white dudes in the NBA get a 9' basket.

Seems fair.

Herb Kornfield · 06-23-2003, 02:53 PM

no one is inferior at all, its a matter of how we use are talents as people.

Personally, I'd be pissed if I got 20 points "Just" for being white. What, are my accomplishments not good enough that I need to have extra points?, are you calling my color in line with my intelligence????......stuipd and arrogant are quotas that way

Stop looking at people for their color and everything is much clearer in life. We are all brothers and sisters of the human race.

Mr.Fiction · 06-23-2003, 03:01 PM

Threads like this are always good for a laugh.

Matt 26z · 06-23-2003, 03:21 PM

There's one area of this issue nobody is thinking about. What happens to black people who get in on special treatment who normally would not have qualified? Will they do just as well as those who did qualify without the help, or will they get C's and D's their entire college career?

Colleges like to keep their overall student body GPA as high as possible, or it makes the college look bad. If giving bonus points to those who normally wouldn't be there ends in a high number of these students doing below average, then it won't last.

By giving blacks bonus points, they are basically saying blacks in high school don't have the ability to study, do their homework, do well on tests, attend every class, be on time, get a high GPA, etc... THIS is how you get into college, and nobody has ever kept black students from doing this stuff.

The "white" town where I live in has about a 2% dropout rate at the high school. The "black" town right next to us has a 25% dropout rate at their high school. THAT says something.

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 03:34 PM

sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

KRL · 06-23-2003, 03:35 PM

Well I guess instead of popcorn we should go for the "cracker" jack for this one.

Sly_RJ · 06-23-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

Prep courses for SAT tests? Every course that was available, was FREE. No excuses. Black families don't have the economic means to buy good grades? Sounds like a stereotype there, better watch your back.

NetRodent · 06-23-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

Perhaps affirmative action should be based on finances and not race.

Kimmykim · 06-23-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

Interesting analogy, though I don't think you are right. I did quite well on SATs without any prep courses.

My son goes to private school and if he doesn't do his work, his grades suck...

Mr.Fiction · 06-23-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
nobody has ever kept black students from doing this stuff

woodman · 06-23-2003, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

fuck that excuse. If you want to say money is a reason they can't go to college then fine. But to say they can't pass the SAT because of money is BS and a slam to all the poor kids, white/black/yellow etc., that do pass it. Usually it comes down to having parents that give a damn about education and not some private school or prep class

Mr Pheer · 06-23-2003, 04:32 PM

Affirmative action is total bullshit. the best man for the job is the best man regardless of his fuckin race.

I took the New York State Trooper Exam in 1994, scored a 94. With my Veteran's Preference bonus of 5 points, that gave me a score of 99. Near perfect. Wasnt even considered for the job, because a black female at the time only had to score a 75. A female hispanic could score even lower. A white male had to score 105 to be considered.

What difference does the race make? I scored higher but she was black and female so she gets in and I dont. I doubt she even passed the physical part of the test.

JoN_BLaZE · 06-23-2003, 04:35 PM

as inferior as he is good looking

markell · 06-23-2003, 04:45 PM

oh god, aa is not just fro blacks its for monorities period. and for those of you that feel so vocal on this message board about being racist, why dont you take a break goto a mall or something and be this vocal and see how long you can go without getting your ass kicked

Mr. Jim · 06-23-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
I would like to start the movement to lower all basketball goals by at least a foot and only allow us white guys to shoot at it.

I am not sure why but this silly comment really makes you think...

Gman.357 · 06-23-2003, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Affirmative action is total bullshit. the best man for the job is the best man regardless of his fuckin race.

I took the New York State Trooper Exam in 1994, scored a 94. With my Veteran's Preference bonus of 5 points, that gave me a score of 99. Near perfect. Wasnt even considered for the job, because a black female at the time only had to score a 75. A female hispanic could score even lower. A white male had to score 105 to be considered.

What difference does the race make? I scored higher but she was black and female so she gets in and I dont. I doubt she even passed the physical part of the test.

Everyone seems to have a sob story about how a black man (woman) stole the job they were more qualified for due to Affirmative Action. Some are true, some are total shortsighted bullshit (not yours specifically).

There's a reason we need affirmative action. The country is full of bigots and racists who would never hire a black man or woman if they didn't have to. This is the government's way to ensure that these fuckers in power don't keep everything just for whitey.

Black people can do more than shoot hoops if you let them.

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Interesting analogy, though I don't think you are right. I did quite well on SATs without any prep courses.

My son goes to private school and if he doesn't do his work, his grades suck...

maybe not every private school but from my experience a lot of them give you grades.At one time my parents were going to send me to private school, and they basically were going to give me a passing grade no matter what i did

rooster · 06-23-2003, 04:55 PM

"Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought"

You obviously didnt go to a private school. I did and the work was hard as hell. Public school work by comparison is simple. Standards have to be kept super low or hardly anyone would ever graduate.

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent

Perhaps affirmative action should be based on finances and not race.

But black people dont get the same high paying jobs sometimes just becasue of plan racism. If you are not black you have not experienced it

Deepundercover · 06-23-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

Didn't anyone teach you to spell or punctuate? You make yourself look like a moron when you don't follow the rules of the English language.

Mr. Jim · 06-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

You know I was intrigued with this thread to see if some very interesting counter points as to why affirmative action makes sense could move me.

Like Mr. Pheer I too had a State Trooper Exam that I scored 96 on. I was told the Troops were only looking for minority troopers at the time...

This comment is the most bullshit cop out I have ever heard in my life. I hope to God our Black community even here on this board will step up and say that is complete fucking non sense.

With comments like this you make the entire nation feel like it is pointless to remain objective.

I am actually really bummed out now. The affirmative action movement should be an embarrassment to any self respecting Hispanic, Black, or Asian who has taken the time to educate themselves and have the determination to make something of themselves.

Asians have been proven to score much higher on the SAT regardless of income...should we make them score higher than everyone now

Fuck your prep course bullshit...I took the SAT and I did not get extra courses.... there are whites out there from low income families too I don?t hear them saying anything about shit...except it is hard for them to get into college too...some race points would sure help though.

Deepundercover · 06-23-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by bigdog

maybe not every private school but from my experience a lot of them give you grades.At one time my parents were going to send me to private school, and they basically were going to give me a passing grade no matter what i did

That's probably because you are a minority and they hold you to different standards - i.e., virtually none.

Deepundercover · 06-23-2003, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog

But black people dont get the same high paying jobs sometimes just becasue of plan racism. If you are not black you have not experienced it

Do you realize how bad you make yourself look like every time you publish a sentence because you can't spell?

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deepundercover

That's probably because you are a minority and they hold you to different standards - i.e., virtually none.

haha that wasn't the reason.At one school there was a white girl i knew who had a 85 average even though she only went to school like 3 days a week. She also got a 75 in a art class she never went to. I am not saying ever school is like but some are

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 05:11 PM

i don't really agree with affirmative action but i can understand the need for it

appleboy · 06-23-2003, 05:16 PM

no one is even presented with the evidence the supreme court has so no here even knows what they're basing their decision on but if they uphold it even though I'm surprised they did so be it. It doesn't do anything for serious issues like providing money to get equal educations in the first place , middle class american white people take for granted good books , teachers who care and aren't jaded about teaching minorities who in turn influence how minorities see themselves. to be honest their needs to be a separate nation imagine taking tax dollars from minorities and not delivering the same goods delivered to the majority.now that's a god damn shame.

Undutchable · 06-23-2003, 05:20 PM

To me, a lot of this is bullshit. On the one hand, people say affirmative action goes against our notions of equality - some go as far as calling blacks inferior because of it. This is making the discussion out to be a matter of principle.

However, reality is that the best man for the job is not always selected on his qualities. A lot of employers and Human Resources people would rather pick a white man over a non-white man. This is a reality that non-caucasion people are facing.

Affirmative action can sometimes relieve some of those problems, although affirmative action in itself also creates problems. For instance, some people will look down upon the man who's gotten his job through this policy. On the other hand, people will be hired despite the fact that they're not qualified for the job, just because they were non-white and the company had to meet a quota...

Ideally, there'd be no racial bullshit but there is. And as long as there is, we need some measures to at least compensate for it, despite the negative consequences they may have. If we really want to change that, we need to change as a society first

frankiep · 06-23-2003, 05:30 PM

The question is not if they need help! That is obvious,

When you are behind in a system that one already has an advantage! Anyone would need a little help to compete or even to get started!

The creator of the system or the game always has an advantage and can always pick and choose who he or she chooses to share that information with. Leaving certain individuals out!

For instance here is some knowledge for you . Did you know that it is possible to make a million in a week?

How else do you think the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.

Share the knowledge and everyone will then be on an equal playing field.

Now thats true competition

Again folks Action/ Reaction: You can never predict the reaction or howlong it will take to repair it's self!!

gezzed · 06-23-2003, 05:31 PM

This thread reminds me about the whole argument for gender equality. Women want to be treated as equals, get the same jobs, have the same opportunities, etc. But, they still expect you to open doors, pay for meals and things like that.

Now in this case, we've been told that everyone is equal, that no one is superior to anyone else. Yet, things like affirmitive action are still in place.

Personally, the difference between races is quite apparent to me. Everyone is so politically correct nowadays that they pretend not to notice.

Bet you'd say "good job" to the black guy who beat you for a spot on the basketball team, or to the asian guy who was hired at that new job. I wouldn't say I'm racist, but you'd be blind not to notice the differences. And with these differences present, how can anyone make a claim to equality?

nap · 06-23-2003, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
I would like to start the movement to lower all basketball goals by at least a foot and only allow us white guys to shoot at it.

europeans don't have a problem with the 10 foot goal.

nap · 06-23-2003, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
There's one area of this issue nobody is thinking about. What happens to black people who get in on special treatment who normally would not have qualified? Will they do just as well as those who did qualify without the help, or will they get C's and D's their entire college career?

Colleges like to keep their overall student body GPA as high as possible, or it makes the college look bad. If giving bonus points to those who normally wouldn't be there ends in a high number of these students doing below average, then it won't last.

By giving blacks bonus points, they are basically saying blacks in high school don't have the ability to study, do their homework, do well on tests, attend every class, be on time, get a high GPA, etc... THIS is how you get into college, and nobody has ever kept black students from doing this stuff.

The "white" town where I live in has about a 2% dropout rate at the high school. The "black" town right next to us has a 25% dropout rate at their high school. THAT says something.

what does it say, that the black school's are not getting enough funding?

nap · 06-23-2003, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Prep courses for SAT tests? Every course that was available, was FREE. No excuses. Black families don't have the economic means to buy good grades? Sounds like a stereotype there, better watch your back.

not all prep classes for the act/sat are free. i know of a few people that paid 1600 dollars for some stupid test that was given by one of the universities here, nothing but white kids in their classes. if the classes paid off or not i don't know, but neither of the three that paid for the test got a better score than me.

woodman · 06-23-2003, 05:36 PM

Affirmative action, quotas, welfare, reperations, Jessie Jackson threatening to boycott your ass if you dont play ball and contribute to his group.

When does the shit end?

nap · 06-23-2003, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Affirmative action is total bullshit. the best man for the job is the best man regardless of his fuckin race.

I took the New York State Trooper Exam in 1994, scored a 94. With my Veteran's Preference bonus of 5 points, that gave me a score of 99. Near perfect. Wasnt even considered for the job, because a black female at the time only had to score a 75. A female hispanic could score even lower. A white male had to score 105 to be considered.

What difference does the race make? I scored higher but she was black and female so she gets in and I dont. I doubt she even passed the physical part of the test.

apparently you didnt look the part

TheJimmy · 06-23-2003, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markell
oh god, aa is not just fro blacks its for monorities period. and for those of you that feel so vocal on this message board about being racist, why dont you take a break goto a mall or something and be this vocal and see how long you can go without getting your ass kicked

ooooooo, my dog is bigger than yours...

violence in response to the inability to verbally communicate is what's held back many people...

personally I prefer to jack off...

bigdog · 06-23-2003, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undutchable
To me, a lot of this is bullshit. On the one hand, people say affirmative action goes against our notions of equality - some go as far as calling blacks inferior because of it. This is making the discussion out to be a matter of principle.

However, reality is that the best man for the job is not always selected on his qualities. A lot of employers and Human Resources people would rather pick a white man over a non-white man. This is a reality that non-caucasion people are facing.

Affirmative action can sometimes relieve some of those problems, although affirmative action in itself also creates problems. For instance, some people will look down upon the man who's gotten his job through this policy. On the other hand, people will be hired despite the fact that they're not qualified for the job, just because they were non-white and the company had to meet a quota...

Ideally, there'd be no racial bullshit but there is. And as long as there is, we need some measures to at least compensate for it, despite the negative consequences they may have. If we really want to change that, we need to change as a society first

good post

TheJimmy · 06-23-2003, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Affirmative action is total bullshit. the best man for the job is the best man regardless of his fuckin race.

I took the New York State Trooper Exam in 1994, scored a 94. With my Veteran's Preference bonus of 5 points, that gave me a score of 99. Near perfect. Wasnt even considered for the job, because a black female at the time only had to score a 75. A female hispanic could score even lower. A white male had to score 105 to be considered.

What difference does the race make? I scored higher but she was black and female so she gets in and I dont. I doubt she even passed the physical part of the test.

I hear ya, I know of 2 relatives personally that got told it wasn't 'whitey month' for the job...

happens more often than people would like to believe...

:/

and just keeps the fire of racism and hate alive...

frankiep · 06-23-2003, 05:48 PM

Hey let's reverse the whole fukin world!

You truly never know unless you walk in the other persons shoes.

Instead of making ignorant comments, sit down and ask someone of another race how it feels to be them.

I am sure you will get a different perspective!!

Thats what the world needs, more discussions so we can all see how each other feels.

with understanding comes an attempt at fixing things. Once the knowledge has been born, THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE!

Star Trek Next Generation!

Movies are made to show you the future. Watch carefully!!

jas1552 · 06-23-2003, 05:48 PM

Liberals are all gay. That's why they love the racial discrimination, and the cock.

A-ten · 06-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Look, ask yourself the million dollar question. Its a two parter:

Do you think America's leadership was responsible for guiding our country to be successful? Our forefather's, various respecte President's community leaders, etc, etc.

If you believe that our leadership helped build this nation, can you also not believe that they were able to do the reverse, use their leadership to limit the advancement of certain groups of people?

This is an area I have a real problem with, white folks who worship their leaders as great men who without them, America would not be where it is today. I do not understand why white Americans cannot also believe that these great men would be able to create systemic barriers limiting the advancement of a certain group of people.

You can't have your cake and eat it to. Either white folks admit that their great past leaders, most of whom supported institutionalized racism to one degree or another, were powerless and racism developed naturally, or these great men went out of their way to institute a system of racial preference that exists to a lesser degree today.

Because really all affirmative action does is accelerate the process of wealth building and experience development within a given community. It is pretty much beneficial racism. But it doesn't create successful people, it just helps people who would normally be overlooked due to their ethnicity or poverty level obtain a job or an education. Though idealistically it is wrong, morally it is right because. We as a country need to correct the historic injustice of racism.

69pornlinks · 06-23-2003, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Well I guess instead of popcorn we should go for the "cracker" jack for this one.

if it wasn't for affirmative action the slected Pres. would't have gotten into Yale,right

affirmative action is just letting someone "in" because they fit a certain criteria

So deal with it

,or go back to Europe

'

06-23-2003, 01:03 PM	#1
Buff GFY Assassin Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,993	Are Blacks Inferior? Supreme Court Upholds Affirmative Action In its most important statements on affirmative action in a quarter-century, the Supreme Court narrowly upheld the admissions policy of the University of Michigan law school today, finding that minority applicants may be given an edge The question that no one will ask is, "Are blacks inferior?" Why do they need extra help? We talk about things like "Equal Protection" and yet we give them preferential treatment, just like we would give children or the handicapped. Now, if blacks really are inferior, it's our moral obligation to give them preferential treatment. But if they're not, then it's immoral to give them preferential treatment. So which is it? Personally, I don't think blacks are inferior.

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markell Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Las Vegas & Los Angeles Posts: 1,190	oh god, aa is not just fro blacks its for monorities period. and for those of you that feel so vocal on this message board about being racist, why dont you take a break goto a mall or something and be this vocal and see how long you can go without getting your ass kicked __________________ blah blah fucking blah

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xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	is that a subject close to your heart? didnt you started a similar thread 2 weeks ago?

06-23-2003, 01:19 PM	#3
neuromancer Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 281	I want lil2white4u's opinion.

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woodman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 433	I would like to start the movement to lower all basketball goals by at least a foot and only allow us white guys to shoot at it.

06-23-2003, 02:53 PM	#11
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	no one is inferior at all, its a matter of how we use are talents as people. Personally, I'd be pissed if I got 20 points "Just" for being white. What, are my accomplishments not good enough that I need to have extra points?, are you calling my color in line with my intelligence????......stuipd and arrogant are quotas that way Stop looking at people for their color and everything is much clearer in life. We are all brothers and sisters of the human race.

06-23-2003, 03:01 PM	#12
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Threads like this are always good for a laugh.

06-23-2003, 03:21 PM	#13
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	There's one area of this issue nobody is thinking about. What happens to black people who get in on special treatment who normally would not have qualified? Will they do just as well as those who did qualify without the help, or will they get C's and D's their entire college career? Colleges like to keep their overall student body GPA as high as possible, or it makes the college look bad. If giving bonus points to those who normally wouldn't be there ends in a high number of these students doing below average, then it won't last. By giving blacks bonus points, they are basically saying blacks in high school don't have the ability to study, do their homework, do well on tests, attend every class, be on time, get a high GPA, etc... THIS is how you get into college, and nobody has ever kept black students from doing this stuff. The "white" town where I live in has about a 2% dropout rate at the high school. The "black" town right next to us has a 25% dropout rate at their high school. THAT says something.

06-23-2003, 03:34 PM	#14
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	sat scores weight a lot on weather you get accpeted by a college or not.Many black parents do not have the money to send their kids off to all of the fancy prep courses out there.Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought .

06-23-2003, 04:32 PM	#21
Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	Affirmative action is total bullshit. the best man for the job is the best man regardless of his fuckin race. I took the New York State Trooper Exam in 1994, scored a 94. With my Veteran's Preference bonus of 5 points, that gave me a score of 99. Near perfect. Wasnt even considered for the job, because a black female at the time only had to score a 75. A female hispanic could score even lower. A white male had to score 105 to be considered. What difference does the race make? I scored higher but she was black and female so she gets in and I dont. I doubt she even passed the physical part of the test.

06-23-2003, 04:35 PM	#22
JoN_BLaZE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 75	as inferior as he is good looking

06-23-2003, 04:55 PM	#27
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	"Also many black kids do not have economic means to go to private schools,where good grades are just bought" You obviously didnt go to a private school. I did and the work was hard as hell. Public school work by comparison is simple. Standards have to be kept super low or hardly anyone would ever graduate.

06-23-2003, 05:11 PM	#34
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i don't really agree with affirmative action but i can understand the need for it

06-23-2003, 05:16 PM	#35
appleboy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ny Posts: 291	no one is even presented with the evidence the supreme court has so no here even knows what they're basing their decision on but if they uphold it even though I'm surprised they did so be it. It doesn't do anything for serious issues like providing money to get equal educations in the first place , middle class american white people take for granted good books , teachers who care and aren't jaded about teaching minorities who in turn influence how minorities see themselves. to be honest their needs to be a separate nation imagine taking tax dollars from minorities and not delivering the same goods delivered to the majority.now that's a god damn shame.

06-23-2003, 05:20 PM	#36
Undutchable Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,217	To me, a lot of this is bullshit. On the one hand, people say affirmative action goes against our notions of equality - some go as far as calling blacks inferior because of it. This is making the discussion out to be a matter of principle. However, reality is that the best man for the job is not always selected on his qualities. A lot of employers and Human Resources people would rather pick a white man over a non-white man. This is a reality that non-caucasion people are facing. Affirmative action can sometimes relieve some of those problems, although affirmative action in itself also creates problems. For instance, some people will look down upon the man who's gotten his job through this policy. On the other hand, people will be hired despite the fact that they're not qualified for the job, just because they were non-white and the company had to meet a quota... Ideally, there'd be no racial bullshit but there is. And as long as there is, we need some measures to at least compensate for it, despite the negative consequences they may have. If we really want to change that, we need to change as a society first

06-23-2003, 05:30 PM	#37
frankiep Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 385	The question is not if they need help! That is obvious, When you are behind in a system that one already has an advantage! Anyone would need a little help to compete or even to get started! The creator of the system or the game always has an advantage and can always pick and choose who he or she chooses to share that information with. Leaving certain individuals out! For instance here is some knowledge for you . Did you know that it is possible to make a million in a week? How else do you think the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer. Share the knowledge and everyone will then be on an equal playing field. Now thats true competition Again folks Action/ Reaction: You can never predict the reaction or howlong it will take to repair it's self!! __________________ FrankieP - Unorthodoxcash - www.uxsiteme.com Email:[email protected] ICQ: 290249980 Last edited by frankiep; 06-23-2003 at 05:41 PM..

06-23-2003, 05:31 PM	#38
gezzed Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 317	This thread reminds me about the whole argument for gender equality. Women want to be treated as equals, get the same jobs, have the same opportunities, etc. But, they still expect you to open doors, pay for meals and things like that. Now in this case, we've been told that everyone is equal, that no one is superior to anyone else. Yet, things like affirmitive action are still in place. Personally, the difference between races is quite apparent to me. Everyone is so politically correct nowadays that they pretend not to notice. Bet you'd say "good job" to the black guy who beat you for a spot on the basketball team, or to the asian guy who was hired at that new job. I wouldn't say I'm racist, but you'd be blind not to notice the differences. And with these differences present, how can anyone make a claim to equality?

06-23-2003, 05:36 PM	#42
woodman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 433	Affirmative action, quotas, welfare, reperations, Jessie Jackson threatening to boycott your ass if you dont play ball and contribute to his group. When does the shit end?

06-23-2003, 05:48 PM	#47
frankiep Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 385	Hey let's reverse the whole fukin world! You truly never know unless you walk in the other persons shoes. Instead of making ignorant comments, sit down and ask someone of another race how it feels to be them. I am sure you will get a different perspective!! Thats what the world needs, more discussions so we can all see how each other feels. with understanding comes an attempt at fixing things. Once the knowledge has been born, THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE! Star Trek Next Generation! Movies are made to show you the future. Watch carefully!! __________________ FrankieP - Unorthodoxcash - www.uxsiteme.com Email:[email protected] ICQ: 290249980 Last edited by frankiep; 06-23-2003 at 05:53 PM..

06-23-2003, 05:48 PM	#48
jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	Liberals are all gay. That's why they love the racial discrimination, and the cock.

06-23-2003, 10:16 PM	#49
A-ten Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1	Look, ask yourself the million dollar question. Its a two parter: Do you think America's leadership was responsible for guiding our country to be successful? Our forefather's, various respecte President's community leaders, etc, etc. If you believe that our leadership helped build this nation, can you also not believe that they were able to do the reverse, use their leadership to limit the advancement of certain groups of people? This is an area I have a real problem with, white folks who worship their leaders as great men who without them, America would not be where it is today. I do not understand why white Americans cannot also believe that these great men would be able to create systemic barriers limiting the advancement of a certain group of people. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Either white folks admit that their great past leaders, most of whom supported institutionalized racism to one degree or another, were powerless and racism developed naturally, or these great men went out of their way to institute a system of racial preference that exists to a lesser degree today. Because really all affirmative action does is accelerate the process of wealth building and experience development within a given community. It is pretty much beneficial racism. But it doesn't create successful people, it just helps people who would normally be overlooked due to their ethnicity or poverty level obtain a job or an education. Though idealistically it is wrong, morally it is right because. We as a country need to correct the historic injustice of racism.