Craig here's the really important question, your email said that sites that don't comply with the new wording rules will be removed from the links list, but will sales from those sites still be credited to the webmaster?

This is a Visa situation, not one where SexKey just wanted to keep you all working over the weekend, I'm sure you all realize.

In keeping with their brand image consciousness, they are requiring some changes with the current AVS system --

I would wait to start changing up other non SexKey sites until the sponsors tell you how they would like things worded and organized, since there may be slight variations in exactly how it will be done.

Nice idea Greg, but we're like the redheaded stepchild no one wants to acknowledge. They'll take our money at the same time they're kicking us in the head. Nice arrangement.

If they do continue to process for them it would sort of make a nonsense of the whole thing especially the deadline.

Now how many scoops of coffee per cup? 3? 4? Hmm, why are my hands shaking??:glugglug

Wow... thanks... rare I get complemented on my posts LOL....

All I can do is express my personal opinion... if someone agrees, great... if not, well they may be misguided (lol)... but are entitled to their own opinion as well.

I am just so sick of corporate america running my life... if anyone thinks different... think again... who do you think is lining the pockets of your politicians....

Face it... These CC Companies have us over a barrel and they know it... cannot do good business with out the CC's.. I mean who is going to wait till a check clears.

I got screwed in a similar situation in my mainstream business....

A woman purchased a script from me... got it, used it, asked for tech support, which was 4 days of work because she knew NOTHING. This was a beta script, new program and was being sold that way... So, she is not happy with a few functions of the script... the same script that she demo'd on my site before purchase. She kept asking for the upgrad... which was in progress... if you know anything about programmig... upgrades do not come fast... I kept telling her it was still in progress and was not sure of a completion date...

Anyway to make a long story short... she complained to her CC Company, said she never received her script... BULLSHIT... I had over 100 emails with tech support to her. Guess what... she got her money back, my script and a lot of my time... I got shit on by Visa and PayPal. So, now I have to ship every fucking script I sell to make sure this dies not happen again. Pain in my ass.... why is not support email, the same email she uses for PayPal... not proof?

Fuck them ALL!!!!!

Why not just say that "AVS" stands for "Adult Vice Sites" or something, rather than remove all references. After all, it always was a euphemism. Nobody really thinks its about age verifications. Every 16 year old has a Visa debit card these days.

Makes too much sense to work :winkwink:

Bugger it - time to sleep. Let's see if I wake up to another dozen e-mails from other AVS's :)

Damn!!

And I had to pick today to change to decaf

:helpme

Not in this case... Visa is looking at the content the member sees and wants accountability for this content...

$%#(%)($*%)($*%)($*)*%
God damn, going to be a fun weekend!
ZoiNk

In response to the question from Lenny2,

"Craig here's the really important question, your email said that sites that don't comply with the new wording rules will be removed from the links list, but will sales from those sites still be credited to the webmaster? "

While we won't ever take sales away from webmasters, we know we must go forward with these changes. We have to honor the terms that we are given, and we can only work with those that are willing to work with us. Trust me when I tell you, we didn't want to force these changes over a weekend! We are simply reacting as quick as we can to a fast changing environment.

In response to the questions about Visa, here is something you should know.

Q: Who's cutomer is it that comes to your site?

1) Yours
2) The AVS or other Afffiliate
3) The Credit Card Companies

Correct Answer: If they used a visa card, and that is the majority, then they are first and foremost Visa's customer
The customer is literally borrowing money from Visa to pay for your site.


Not trying to argue, but if it comes to a choice of accepting Visa or not, I know where I stand. With the millions of Visa card holders!

i would not get too excited about how large the adult market is. I have a mainstream site and i do $1k a day easy on it and it has been open about 5 weeks. Amazon does more volume then the entire adult industry(educated guess). I think if we went away they would just enjoy the ease of web transactions without us.

I agree with you Slapass - we're just a flea bite in the general scheme of things.

are you guys pluarlling members area? "access to memeber's areas"

NO pluralling of "members area" AVScraig cleared this up for me

I disagree with this, you're saying that a guy who buys a TV from a retail store is Visa's customer? What the...? Someone who pays by check is the bank's customer then?

What about people like myself who have a Visa debit? I don't need credit to make a purchase, it comes directly out of my bank account.

Can you please clarify what you mean exactly?

Craig - whatever the ifs or buts of why it was done you never actually answered his question at all. I think everyone understands the why even if they may not agree on the explaination of the timing. Do answer his question please as it's quite important for many people.

Does...
...mean that initially people just get dropped from the links list but still get credited sales? If so how long will that last for? Surely if you need to comply in such a hurry ALL sites need to do so not just those listed on your links list? Sort of an important question that really needs an answer.

Wow, I'm glad I retired from adult back in 2001.

I'm thinking the lawsuit the state of OK hit me with should have been filed against MC/VISA, but not me as an individual . . . :Graucho

anyone know the % of visa cards that are debit cards, and which are actually credit cards?

how many people actually buy porn with credit opposed to bank debit cards? do people still use credit cards to buy crap?

FWIW - this is what I am changing mine to

"Joining Sexkey gives you access to the membership area of this site and gives you access to an incredible range of other sites and benefits"

See above the plural is not ok. I am not sure but I think your reference to other sites is not good.

Thanks Slapass - I better go talk to sexkey direct :thumbsup

To clear any confusion on the statement that the customer using a Visa card is really Visa's customer, all you need to consider is that if the card holder disputes a claim, in your analogy a t.v. and says "he never bought it", or "it never worked", depending on his history with Visa, the likelyhood of the truth, and any other factor they want to consider, Visa has the right to simply refund the customer. You have no choice in the matter.

In terms of chargebacks, we all know that your surfers, whether debit or credit, can easily go to their bank and get a refund regardless of how long they were a member. Visa made it easy for them to purchase, but also keeps it easy for them to remain loyal to Visa.

We want to move forward with all of our webmasters to ensure continued service for you and your surfers. That is why we are asking for your cooperation. Regretfully, we weren't able to give you as much time as we would have liked, but we can only issue information as we recieve it.

In regards to what will happen if a webmaster can't comply with this request: We are going to make every attempt to assist the webmasters, but ultimately we have to obey the new requirements. If for whatever reason, anyone cannot comply, please email me and I will try to find a way to help.

Hope this answers your questions

Craig you answered my question like Ari Fleischer. :1orglaugh

This is a quote from the Sex Key email
If your site has not been changed to follow these new rules by this time, your listing on the Sexkey member's area (link list) will be temporarily removed until the changes are made.

According to this, the penalty for not making the changes is removal from the links list.

Now say I don't care about the links list, and I have a site with a join page with the old text script, that has the words AVS and protecting minors from accessing my site and access thousands of participating sites all over the page.

Let's say this page generates sex key signups every day and I don't change it, will I still get paid for those joins?

TOO FUNNY!!! OMG!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


I am laughing so hard

Direct Answer to Direct Question:

If the needed changes cannot be made, yes we will take your sites off the link list, but we would pay you for your sales. After a short period of time yet to be determined, if you still can't make the changes, and I have exhausted every way to help you, we will have to then deactivate the account. We would only do this as a very last resort, but we need to move forward.
:)

I just received the following from FreeAgeCard.

*WE NEED ALL WEBMASTERS TO MAKE THESE CHANGES ASAP.
Every webmaster that uses the FreeAgeCard program must do the following in order to have their account active:
-Please remove all words on your site that say: Adult Verification Service, Age Verification Service, or AVS.
-Remove any thing that says and not limited to "Get access to 1000's of sites" or any reference in this order.
-Remove anything that states "Participating Sites."

These changes are required immediately and we appreciate your quick response.

We will be visiting all links and making sure all the criteria are met, if they are not met we must deactivate them. This will begin on Sunday June 22nd.


I use several other AVS's but this is the only one that I have received notification from thus far.

Fair enough, thanks :thumbsup

The main draw to AVS sites is the fact that you get access to so many small sites. Now that mentioning this has been outlawed, what does it mean for the future of AVS?

Take a look at the typical AVS site. Is any surfer willing to pay $20-30 for that alone, not knowing they are actually getting other sites?

This is important information - it effects lots of us!

whats up with this lil2rich4u2 guy - does he go to conventions?

he needs a good fuckign hit to the head

i couldnt agree with you more nb. as i stated in another thread, the cc companies along with 3rd party processors and merchant services will get their money no matter what.

why couldnt they just implement a tracking system whereas someone who charges back 20 charges in a short period of time, most of those charge backs being of a specified nature (ie, fraudulant usage of a card involving a transaction of an adult nature) is monitored? it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that joe blow just charged back 8 months of charges from porn site a this month and now 3 months later, he is charging back 6 months of charges from porn site c. only 7 month ago he charged back 5 months of charges from porn site b and maybe he threw in there a few charge backs from a sporting goods company (this is if he were slick enough to know that he was being watched...for a lack of better wording).

with the amount of money cc companies, and issuing banks for that matter, make, you would think they would take a portion of those profits and create a monitoring system. this would, without a doubt, cut down on fraud (or attempted fraud) and decrease the banks consumer credit card debit.

this just aggrevates me to death for visa & mc would rather lose money from one of the most profitable industries ever rather then trying to work with the industry where in the end they would make even more money. lets be honest, noone can ever have enough money.

just my :2 cents:

Well this is nice, check my email before I leave for the weekend and find I have 2 days to change all my avs stuff... since I won't have computer I guess it's not going to get done! I hope visa and the avs programs find it in their tightwad hearts to send me my checks. Goddam fucking buncha bastards

This is GFY - it caters for everyone - including total losers like him.

His latest scam is a link pop plan - the sort that gets participating domains blacklisted on Google - he's over on a newbie board trying to impress them with his earth shattering plan.

The problem I have with this is that I have to change my fucking Sex Key Code on a shitload of sites. I sent they guys at Sex Key an email months ago asking them to change the sign-up form to take you to your choice of sign-up scripts rather than the boring text code that is sends you too. Did I get a reply or anything? Fuck no. Was it easy to find those new codes? Fuck no, your site had to be approved before you could get to it. So you get it approved and then have to go back and redo it then? Fuck that!

Thanks "The Other Steve" - seems there is a lot of KIDS floating around here - they have big mouths and imaginary big bank balances to match

Well this guy is just a big kid - he's such a weener that even his girlfriend beats him up.

Use the search function and do a search for him and Stashi - you will find some interesting posts about him.

there is another option, change your join page to SexPicturesPass

CCBill just went thru our site last week to see if we were in compliance, and they said, "I've looked through your site - you're really setup well. I dont know that you need to change anything at this point. All the major hot buttons for the AVS's - you don't seem to have. Have you modified your business model here recently at all?"

Yes, as a matter of fact we did, when I took over. So, you can change all of your existing sites, or you can change your join pages and submit them to us. Would be a good time to do that anyway since we will have a big announcement next week anyway.

Anyone that has mass submits they want to do, let me know and I will see what we can do to make it a little less painless.

Oh, and we don't have a problem with you utilizing the marketing technique of getting access to thousands of sites. We know that is a major selling point, and we are not going to take that away from you.

You're such a spammer dude. Visa is going to drop the hammer on your ass to, just wait a bit.