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Wow. Good publicity or not, Boss Hawg hit this one right. Exposure is priceless..... :2 cents:

BossHawg CECash offers one cross sell with a pop up java box with full disclosure.

Your program has a sign up and then 3 other cross sells - the last with no price, let alone no disclosure, end of story!!

..and to top that all off, after today you only pay $20 to $45 to Webmasters who get their surfers abused!!

Wow very interesting read. Well all i can say during all this pissing is i tried hawgs shit and it does very well for me. Boss and every person on his staff have been nothin but kind and very helpfull in this buisness..

I will say i checkED out both sites and im not a fan of cross sales cuase i believe they are just tring to get as much cash outta the surfer who probably wont ever realize or use all the freaking sites they join.. but i am some what smart and when i read fms i was not thinking i had to uncheck the box becuase i wanted full access to the site.. and it actually took me a minute to realize i was being pushed to another site that sorta sounded the same..

hawgs for findanewlover

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ok im thinking this is just what i want full access ,, but then i look again and realize its not cybererotica its cybersexotica .. fucked me up for a minute .. lol

ok and then a java box pops witch with my dick in my hand i doubt i would read this whole long thing along with many.. so in my opinion cross sales in general seem to be alittle off the wall and confusing .

i understood hawgs ,, i really did not understand fms sorta thought i was just agreeing to get full access..

so you all can piss and piss .. but be realistic cross sales on both ends are just away to confuse surfers to make some extra money....


AND IF IT WAS NOT JUST A PLOY TO MAKE EXTRA MONEY BY CONFUSING THE SURFER UNCHECK THE FUCKING BOX AND LET THE SURFER MAKE UP THERE FUCKING MIND.. BUT YOU WONT BECUASE YOU ALL KNOW DAMN WELL IF YOU DONT CONFUSE THE FUCKING SURFER THEY WILL NOT CHECK THE BOX NEARLY AS MUCH AND YOU WILL MAKE LESS MONEY..... THAT THE BOTTOM LINE ...


well this was fun and pretty neat to read this thread , i wish you all well and you have a wonderfull weekend .

First offf let me thank you Fantasy Man for keeping our thread alive, while your announcement is buried in the archives. You and your people are the best!! Second off your signup process is bad but hey we can compare alll day but we will still be here in the end as I am sure you will. Let the affiliates decide who they want to promote and let them make the most money or do you feel threatened by us and our payouts? Just let our threads be and we will let your pathetic threads be and we will be both be happy unless you want me to jump in everyone of your threads like you feel the need to get in everyone of Bosshawg's threads. Get off our nuts and go lead your pathetic middle age crisis life. I went out and got some tonight while apparently you sat home and read GFY. :321GFY


Just look at all the people already making serious cash! $75 signups in case you didn't know! :thumbsup

No, I didn't stay home, see you're wrong afain. Actually I took my son to see the Hulk - very entertaining, great CGI's.

I'm not comparing our cross sell to yours. We do 1 cross sale, you do 3, and the last being with no disclosure, big difference!!

I have found when someone doesn't want to deal with the real issues, they attack you personally. In all of my posts I have keep it business, no personal attacks.

Your company's posts have included personal attacks. In case you didn't notice, it doesn't effect me one bit, I'm used to it. That's what the old pissing wars were all about.

So instead of trying to figure out my life crisis' - why don't you try to get a life. And since you attacked me, I think you're pretty pathetic yourself, having to brag that you went out and got laid, congrats, btw, how much did it cost you :)

Fantasyman - why o why - we are all big boys and girls - if we didnt like how bosshawg and his crew were promoting their sites well we wouldnt fucking promote them would we.

Very uncool to attack another brothers program like that - probably got him alot more joins tho.

Oh and about your signature - its obnoxious to say the least.
What would message boards look like if we all had 4 links and a banner as our sigs

AngelEyes - sorry to hear about your loss


lill2rich4u2 - great NOT to see your name in this thread

Fantasy Man tell me the first time I was wrong, to tell me I was wrong again. Second off I wouldnt call questioning whether you're having a mid life crisis as an attack, most older men go through it I am just wondering if now is your time. If you feel attacked than that is your insecurity not mine. Most of this biz is about getting the most out of the surfer (it is a business right and at least we let them know what they are paying) we dont care how you do it as your process is bad, just like you shouldnt care how we do it eventhough it is better than yours. If you think we are going to be gone let us lay our own trap and dont worry about us although it seems like you are greatly worried since you seem to get in most every thread that we start. Our business is fine and if your business is fine let it be. Its that simple. Once again ike I said let the affiliate make the most for themsleves as that is their goal and let us worry about our business. Thank you and if you want we can continue this discussion and just keep pushing more webmasters my way. Hell we can push it to 200 tonight if you want. And by the way I dont need to pay to get laid. Never have never will!

yall are all wrong the best sponsor to support especially right now is playboy cuz they convert at better than 50:1 around july 4th


AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AND VERY ON TOPIC

THEY DONT SELL ANY UPSELLS OFF YOU WHATSOEVER

You Get The Site You Paid For , And Nothing Else

And No POPUP Hell when u dont join


They have 4 great sites to promote as well as Playboy+

webs Wildest women
Iboobs
petiteplace
and mature sophistication.

Im telling you go look at the banners and promo material you wont be disappointed

FM made a simple, factual and valid point, i agree totally with what he said.

Being a professional enterprise, i don't see why all of you at the Hawgs can't just accept the critisism and get on with your business.

Back to the original point, I love $75 per signup (but I have only got one so far :( )

sure, sure,
but Lens owes me the check for the bet he lost!

How many $75 have you got so far today ? It's ON !

Playboy... You must have went to the FM school of coducting business on GFY the way you just jumped in this thread at least he has something to say and not just blatently promote his program

Lee... You have more than one signup now with plenty more to come I am sure:winkwink:

Have everyone else started making $75 per signup yet?... You still got 13 hours!:thumbsup

Lee, hit me up on ICQ...

You keep telling me about my mid-life crisis and I'll keep telling you how unethical your program is.

I just want to know why you only pay Webmasters $20 to $40 when you bang their surfers for $160?

Why do you offer your 3rd upsell with no disclosure or price?

Those are the two real business issues.

Now to address the bullsh-t issue that SAK keeps bringing up, my mid-life crisis. I'm mid-life crisis proof, everything one might do in a mid-life crisis, I have already done. Whether it be drugs, drinking, gambling, women, cars, travel, etc. SAK I'm sure you have traveled all over the world like I have, I'm sure you own 7 cars like I do, live in a 10,000 sq ft estate that's paid for like I do, I'm sure you've done estate planning for your children like I've done, just to name a few. So, if you think that the reason I find your program unethical is because of MY mid-life crisis, you're wrong.

The reason I'm posting in this thread is because you're ripping off consumers and by doing that, you're also ripping off Webmasters by giving them a short payout in your $160 scam!!

Any Webmaster that sends you folks to rip off for $160 probably deserves to get ripped off by only receiving $20 to $40 for their surfer who gets ripped off!

where is the third upsell at? i only see two cross sells

once you put your credit card number in and hit submit - this page comes up....

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no price - no disclosure

2 now (creeping up slowly :winkwink: )

I am 100% on FMs side..honesty is the key..

If Fm tells the truth then I think all people protecting this hawg is...stupid and just care about they makine money. Think about those people that buys his shit..yeah put yourself in those peoples position...

:321GFY


btw, thats crime..

Yawn!

:321GFY

its interesting to see shit like this coming from FM..............

FM...Them surfers are THANKING me..I am hooking them up with FREE trials to sites they normally cant get for FREE and they have the choice to cancel or not after they check them out.

And to keep saying I am billing the surfer $160 and paying out $20-45 is NONSENSE. How many actually take all 3 up sells and dont cancel I would have to say is probably less than 1%..dont have hard numbers here but I can tell you it is much less than you think!

Also you keep saying I am skirting the issue..I am not..since you brought up my billing practices I bring up yours...As localg pointed out above

On your information submit page you have NO mention of price, trial length OR rebill price, AND it is pre checked..(only mention of it at all is in the hahahahahahahahahaha popup box in the middle of other text that is hard to find) then on the join page you have NO mention of anything about the cross sale if they had it selected on the previosu page. NOTHING. NADA. Just a note saying the regular membership is rebilling at $49.95..wheres the info on the CC page about the cross sale?????

Cross-sale craziness!

Dude! Your sig with the dancing characters is some funny shit!

BossHawg, I think you missed my sarcasim.... :Graucho

I think YOU are one of the up and coming webmasters. You have busted your ass, paid you dues, and have some solid programs.

You do somethings that I think are over the line, but that is the way this industry has gone....

For Ron to come out and slam you, on your thread is pretty weak... especially when Ron has been the person leading the industry to the shady areas. ( Remember the silvercash stuff?? I could on and on about the stuff I remember )

I do not keep up with things, but it seems Ron is actually ripping off your ideas BossHawg ( this is coming from 3 people who do keep up with things, and I trust) - which is fine, because that is how the industry is... but to try and flip it around and claim he invented everything is just how Ron works... After all, without Ron and Al Gore, none of us would have jobs!

Just wanted to set the record straight on where I stand....

FM how can you say Boss is making $160 a join? Clearly he inst! Surfer joins his site for free, so he makes nothing, best case scenario the surfer takes all 3 cross sells. These cross sells are all epoch ezclicks from other sponsors, paying $15, max $20. So he is taking in $45-$60 max, and most probably on avg $10-$20, maybe less because there is no way every single surfer takes every cross sell. His only other income is from consoles and when the free trial converts into a paid membership. I doubt very much he has many $140 customers.

The epoch ezclicks are in plain english, and people have the option not to click them. As for FTC action and it being all the site owners fault. Have you read the epoch ezlicks on every site? They all say the same stuff word for word. I am not an epoch client, but clearly epoch is playing a role in the wording of these cross sales.

As for Boss copying your riskymail program? Please! If anything Join 4 Free & Pink 4 Free were the first mass marketed free email sites, your riskymail program was email panels only and these are full sites, something you only started to do much later.

You got in late with the free email sites, late with niche sites, late with paid trials, late with the comeback of pay per signup on free joins, late with your rewards program. Yes you innovated a lot at the start and others copied you, but dont try to act like you havent followed other programs leads as well.

Boss has put a few different original twists into his sites and programs. I dont see a need to jump on him at every opportunity.

This is the thread everyone should be reading... watching BossHawg and FantasyMan in a pissing match is like getting a camera in the girls locker room and being able to shout out comments from the peanut gallery.

Brad