what is up with the hate between the hawgs and cecash? Just wondering do you guys trade any exit traffic at all?

Ok time to make sure my enimies get destroyed

Thanks Guys

What was Age Oath is more like it. It was an AVS that Boss Hawg ran with ARS - they had some kind of deal going with it. I had a shitload of rebills there and then one day they closed up shop. They paid me for 1 or 2 month's worth but those rebills were worth a lot more than that.

So fuck Boss Hawg and all of his programs. I'll never trust him again.

twistyneck...If I had more control over AgeOath I would have made it worked. My hands were tied as I was not the majority owner of that project. I learned a valuable lesson in that deal but all is good and our companies that we have full control over have grown and are steady as a rock...If you have any more questions on AgeOath feel free to hit me up at 197505728...I have nothing to hide.

I know the story man for the most part man ive known hawg for a few years but im just commenting on how blatantly dude is hating i mean that is the true deffinition of a dirty mack. Thats as bad as you telling my girl im out fuckin around on her just so you can fuck becasue you know shes loaded and you want to get her.

Peace!!!!!

To each his own...If I could I would have kept it running but it wasnt feasible. I dont want to discuss the details of why it failed as that is between myself and ARS. Sometimes ventures do fail, that is life. As I said hit me on ICQ and I will be more than happy to chat with you some...

hmmmm i already have those digits... and i didn't have to send any signups.... sukkah :Graucho

Madcap it's nothing about hatin - it's about not abusing consumers - so I guess you didn't check out these sites. Go thru the sign up process and tell me what ya think then.

Bosshawg this is a public forum and I'll post anywhere I feel like - if you don't like that - don't post in public.

madxxx I now expect you to back up your claim of our shaving, if you don't, we'll persue a legal remedy. You call me names, slam our programs and make false allegations with no basis. You will pay. Also, you come here and post anonymously, identify yourself, or don't post.

Remember that in your threads when you see notes about FEB popping up all over the place :glugglug

Good night all...I am off to relax..

Hmmmmm

List of restricted zipcodes....

ALABAMA: 350, 351, 352, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369

ARKANSAS: 716, 717, 718, 719, 720, 721, 722, 723, 724, 725, 726, 727, 728, 729

FLORIDA: 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 344, 346, 347, 349 - MILITARY

GEORGIA: 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319

ILLINOIS: 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 622, 623, 624, 625, 626, 627, 628, 629

INDIANA: 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479

KANSAS: 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679

KENTUCKY: 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 730, 731

LOUISIANA: 700, 701, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714

MISSISSIPPI: 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397

MISSOURI: 630, 631, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 644, 645, 646, 647, 648, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658

NEBRASKA: 680, 681, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693

NORTH CAROLINA: 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289

OKLAHOMA: 730, 731, 734, 735, 736, 737, 738, 739, 740, 741, 743, 744, 745, 746, 747, 748, 749

PENNSYLVANIA (EAST): 173, 174, 175, 176, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 193, 194, 195, 196

PENNSYLVANIA (WEST): 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 177

SOUTH CAROLINA: 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299

SOUTH DAKOTA: 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577

TENNESSEE: 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385

TEXAS: 750, 751, 754, 755, 756, 757, 758, 759, 760, 761, 762, 763, 764, 765, 766, 767, 768, 769, 770, 771, 772, 773, 774, 775, 776, 777, 778, 779, 780, 781, 782, 783, 784, 785, 786, 787, 788, 789, 790, 791, 792, 793, 794, 795, 796, 797, 798, 799

UTAH: 840, 841, 843, 844, 845, 846, 847

VIRGINIA: 201, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246

WEST VIRGINIA: 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268

you've just shaved 2/3rd's of the United States....
:glugglug

That is nowhere near 2/3's of the US and this has been compiled by our 1st ammendment attorneys. We're long term players and will not expose ourselves to hot spots.

Madxxx, read the rules on GFY. Don't make slanderous accusations without offering proof to back it up.

You obviously are some chicken shit on a proxy. Say goodbye.

:winkwink:

Well who the hell are you to decide what is or isnt ethical. Who made you god of pornland and as for suing for that slander thing about shaving man what the fuck is that. if you even try to say that the entire purpose of you post was not to try and get webmasters to not join the hawgs program youre full of shit:321GFY. And thats taking money out of his pocket. I dont know you like that but if you are an honest webmaster that doset cheat people that shaving comments hurts you in the eyes of other webmasters doesnt it thats why you would consider suing....right???? but the comments you made about him being unethical are just as bad. Weather its shaving or ethics you intentionaly made someone look bad. Which is exactly what your now pissed about. and its bullshit.

Dont try to come back with some i was just pointing it out bullshit either man you were trying to hurt his pockets and thats fucked up.

I bet you were the type of kid that would go tell the teacher when kids like me were smoking behind school too huh and then come up with some bullshit like well they just dont know how bad for them it is as a reason:321GFY

No shit, just seems like smart business to me.


Owned.

FantasyMan...

Question?

U mentioned that it would come back and bite BOSS HAWG on the ass....is this in reference to chargebacks or what? Most sponsors base their pay per signup model on EZCLICKS and so on....do u think these are bad for the industry as they seem to be the best way of maximizing traffic.

err, he's the reason we have affiliate programs, also known as the God of pornland...

I'm willing to bet you flunked basic math in school.

460 out of roughly 43,000 zip codes in the US. does not make 2/3.

only time will tell in this industry

The comment you made about shaving has no basis. We don't do it. Prove it or print a retraction.

The comment I made about this program is fact. If it's a fact, it is the truth. You can't be slandering someone when you post the truth that is factual, big difference.

I'm sure you can't tell the difference.

You're wrong again, I was smoking behind the school before you were born and little winkies like you snitched us off :)

ok so you got me on that one


I'm just sayin i think the whole thing is unnecessary if he wasnt trying to hurt his business he wouldnt have posted it.


PEACE!!!!!!!!!

Fantasyman...

What are your overall thoughts on EZCLICKS...

I didnt say anything about shaving dude i have sent you my bullshit traffic and will cotinue to do so that has nothing to do with it reffer to my last post

first of all if you look my previous post it was like a small prophecy.....


on the question part:

FM, what happens if someone attempts to join from one of the below states? http://www.cecash.com/terms/zipcodes.html

Does the system prohibits to do so, or cecash doesn't give credits for these areas?

Maximizing traffic should not include billing with no disclosure. EZCLicks offers Webmasters tools to use. There are correct ways to use that tool and there are abusive ways to use that tool. So the answer to your question is, it depends on how these tools are implemented as to how they affect our industry.

sorry, got you confused with someone else. But I will say again, what I said about this program is the truth. The comment about our shaving is false, there is a big difference.

Jeez 160.00 per join, uh just asking what is the charge back ratio on that one?

If the EZCLICK is showing the consumer what the recurring charge will be.....would that not be ethical. What does CE do different then BOSS' program.

Im afraid of signing up to either one of your sites in fear of maxing out my card.....

:1orglaugh

ps: "Maximizing traffic should not include billing with no disclosure"

I would love to see if BabeNet is around to comment....or XPAYS.

lol

We still take the sale, Webmasters get paid. The consumer is commiting the fraud because he shoudn't have signed up because he has to use a different zipcode. It's just for legalities.

This is good advice in general, regardless of the specific issues in this thread.

It is especially good advice if you run a site where you have people coming back to your site over a period of years. If you screw over your regulars, and they decide not to use their credit cards at adult sites, or not to trust your advice/recommendations, eventually your traffic will become less and less likely to spend money, and you will make less per unique visitor.

Again, I haven't even looked at Lover Cash, I have no idea about the accusations against them, I'm just commenting on the general idea of not scaring people into running from adult transactions.

:1orglaugh


Lensman - nice to see how you only protect your buddies and dont give a shit about other people being slandered/accused (double standarts ? :321GFY ) How much did he pay you to back him up ?

Ron (fm) - GFY cheater :321GFY

ok to end it here i just think that isyouropinion about being ethical not fact even if it is burried in t.a.c somewhere which we have all used to our advantage at one time or another. Its legal and if they dont want to join if they dont have to period i just think it was kindof a shitty thing to do. Raining on his parade as you put it. But at this point i digress.


PEACE!!!!!!!!!!

Charming attitude, gotta give you that much :)

Here is what you go thru signing up - after you have been given the free sign up that bills $39 and the two radial buttons that bill you for another $78 you come to a page that says this - and only this....


***********************************************
Congratulations on Joining XXXCOLLEGEDATING!!
We've sent the log in information to you via Email aswell as listed below:

Username:xxxxxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxxx

To receive a ONE TIME special bonus offer click on the button below to get your FREE BONUS membership to Vulgar Teens...

Click here to continue
***********************************************

There is no button to bypass this upsell - no price disclosure - if you want to see the site you have to click there and get billed for the 4th time - if you think that's ok, be my guest!!

Anytime CECash upsells someone, a java box pops up with the terms, amount of billing, fax number, email address, 800 phone number, 818 phone number to cancel - full disclosure.

big difference!!

<b>
DiscreetLifestyle.com

There is NO CHARGE for the intial 12 hour(s) preview. After the preview you will receive a 3 day trial membership for only $4.96(unless cancelled). Thereafter you will be billed $39.91 every 1 month(s) until cancelled. </b>

(T&C says you can't cancel with less than 24 hours notice)

Then 2 pre-checked boxes:
<b>
Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Gang Bang Squad - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

Click here to signup for a 4 day NO CHARGE Membership to Porn Try Out Four Day Trial Membership. After 4 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.19 every 1 month.

</b>

hahahahahahaha?

Cry me a fucking river.

lol.

P-I-M-P-D-O-G?

MadCap look at my post above - the 4th upsell has no disclosure whatsoever. So it's not just my opinion, it's a fact!

That's 3 billings and then when you go forward you get the 4th and here it is word for word.

***********************************************
Congratulations on Joining XXXCOLLEGEDATING!!
We've sent the log in information to you via Email aswell as listed below:

Username:xxxxxxxxx
Password: xxxxxxxxx

To receive a ONE TIME special bonus offer click on the button below to get your FREE BONUS membership to Vulgar Teens...

Click here to continue
***********************************************

Much understood.....

"There is no button to bypass this upsell - no price disclosure - if you want to see the site you have to click there and get billed for the 4th time - if you think that's ok, be my guest!!

Anytime CECash upsells someone, a java box pops up with the terms, amount of billing, fax number, email address, 800 phone number, 818 phone number to cancel - full disclosure."


All this being said.... everyone have a nice weekend.

That's why I will NEVER enter my details at any site that uses Epoch.

I will only EVER sign up for sites that use iBill or CCbill.

At least with those processors I know I won't have to read the T&C before signing up to a site, to avoid getting cross-billed to death.

And how exactly do I cancel a 12 hour trial, at least 24 hours before it ends?

thanks Fantasyman, I wanted this to get cleared not for me, but for the rest reading.

Atleast Fantasymans posts are directly related to the thread topic :winkwink:

this is fucking great

Isn't it? :)

By the way...

A person is not un ethical for overcharging someone on a porn site nor are they a bad business man. BOSSHAWG runs a solid business and has always been ethical in our dealings. What u think about his promotion is completely seperate.

Im sure %75 of all programs that were around before 99 have bent the rules many times beyond belief.....

:1orglaugh