Stats - TGP vs. TGP2 - GoFuckYourself.com

besterman · 06-14-2003, 09:31 PM

Has there been any long-term real world stats that demonstrate the higher productivity (conversion rate) of TGP2 galleries vs. TGP galleries? btw, a tgp2 gallery is one that has roughly only 5 thumbs and the rest links to the join page of a sponsor.

Mr.Teen · 06-14-2003, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpion3600
Has there been any long-term real world stats that demonstrate the higher productivity (conversion rate) of TGP2 galleries vs. TGP galleries? btw, a tgp2 gallery is one that has roughly only 5 thumbs and the rest links to the join page of a sponsor.

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besterman · 06-14-2003, 09:42 PM

any real world stats on this subject are greatly appreciated.

All the theory would suggest TGP2 should have a conversion higher than TGP assuming that the # of galleries is limited and the # of images within each gallery is limited, but are we talking: 1:300 from 1:1000 or say 1:800 from 1:1000...

the Shemp · 06-14-2003, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpion3600
a tgp2 gallery is one that has roughly only 5 thumbs and the rest links to the join page of a sponsor.

i though that was just bad coding. you mean that's deliberate??

Mr.Fiction · 06-14-2003, 09:50 PM

TGP2 is still around?

Why aren't we on TGP5, or TGP XP, by now?

besterman · 06-14-2003, 09:59 PM

well it's a stupid question

Of course having just 5 awesome softcore pictures per gallery is going to increase your affiliate revenue, but I am still amazed by these high volume TGP's...does anybody buy anything or is it a public service to all the newbies, like a kind of "Matrix", an illusion to keep them "thinking" that's the real way to make the $$$ but having very low productivity..or maybe I have no experience!

SpaceAce · 06-14-2003, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpion3600
well it's a stupid question Of course having just 5 awesome softcore pictures per gallery is going to increase your affiliate revenue, but I am still amazed by these high volume TGP's...does anybody buy anything or is it a public service to all the newbies, like a kind of "Matrix", an illusion to keep them "thinking" that's the real way to make the $$$ but having very low productivity..or maybe I have no experience!

It's because none of the big players have the balls to take the step. If a handful of the bigger TGPs all decided to go to a TGP2 style system it would be good for everyone. The argument, of course, is that they would lose their surfers which is bullshit. If your traffic depended on how many pictures you had per gallery, everyone with a minimum of 15 pictures would be getting more traffic than everyone with a minimum of 12, and everyone with a minimum of x would be getting the same amount of traffic as everyone else with a minimum of x.

If the big boys would even start allowing some TGP2 galleries on their sites, webmasters would start to shift to that (because it is better for the gallery submitters) and we could see a real change in the TGP industry.

SpaceAce

freeadultcontent · 06-14-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by scorpion3600
Of course... I am... ...newbie... maybe I have no experience!

Kinda paraphrased you a bit. Yet found the answer in your own post.

the Shemp · 06-14-2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpion3600
well it's a stupid question Of course having just 5 awesome softcore pictures per gallery is going to increase your affiliate revenue,

not if you dont have any traffic

Mr.Fiction · 06-14-2003, 10:25 PM

Big TGPs would change if they weren't making good money.

It's that simple.

foe · 06-14-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

i though that was just bad coding. you mean that's deliberate??

foe · 06-14-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAce

It's because none of the big players have the balls to take the step. If a handful of the bigger TGPs all decided to go to a TGP2 style system it would be good for everyone. The argument, of course, is that they would lose their surfers which is bullshit. If your traffic depended on how many pictures you had per gallery, everyone with a minimum of 15 pictures would be getting more traffic than everyone with a minimum of 12, and everyone with a minimum of x would be getting the same amount of traffic as everyone else with a minimum of x.

If the big boys would even start allowing some TGP2 galleries on their sites, webmasters would start to shift to that (because it is better for the gallery submitters) and we could see a real change in the TGP industry.

SpaceAce

nope they would just loose their traffic in weeks and people woudl find other sources of free porn.

foe · 06-14-2003, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAce

It's because none of the big players have the balls to take the step. If a handful of the bigger TGPs all decided to go to a TGP2 style system it would be good for everyone. The argument, of course, is that they would lose their surfers which is bullshit. If your traffic depended on how many pictures you had per gallery, everyone with a minimum of 15 pictures would be getting more traffic than everyone with a minimum of 12, and everyone with a minimum of x would be getting the same amount of traffic as everyone else with a minimum of x.

If the big boys would even start allowing some TGP2 galleries on their sites, webmasters would start to shift to that (because it is better for the gallery submitters) and we could see a real change in the TGP industry.

SpaceAce

The big boys didnt get big by being stupid

OzKaNoz · 06-15-2003, 12:01 AM

scorpion3600
Tgp2 convert at about 30 time better on less traffic. This was just proven by a will know webmaster on another board. I won't name the board here out of respect for Lensman.
It was a month or month and a half project and compared tgp to tgp2. When the testing was done everything was totaled and compared it was found that tgp2 converts at about a rate of 30 times. Of course you mileage will very just like anything else.
The webmasters that ran this project is very good at targeting traffic so that had to help too.

The nice things about tgp2 are it burns less bandwidth, uses less content. The added plus is the galleries load really fast. The full sized pictures can be on HTML pages and your can make them clickable to a sponsor.

On the rules:
Tgp2 rule are standardize between all real tgp2 sites. This is something that everyone said would never happen, but it did.
The rules are automatically update on most tgp2 sites using a small java script tag. This will display the tgp2 rules on the sites and keep them up to date also.

You can view the rule here and the script code is also on there.

The rules are not the same rules of a year ago. They were set rock solid about 4 or 5 months ago and haven't change except for adding the rules on movies.

Heres a key point that everyone needs to know if they are doing tgp2. Tgp2 only accepts 5 clickable thumbs, no more or no less.
Non clickable thumbs are not allowed.

With in the last month there have been a good number sponsors starting to provide hosted tgp2 galleries and downloadable galleries plus other perks. I know of another 3 or 4 right off the bat that will be doing the same soon.

Add those to the sponsors that have supported tgp2 sence the start, that a good many sponsors.

Is tgp2 worth it? You bet your ass it is.

In all fareness to tgp's, I understand exactly why they do things the way they do and I can't blame them one bit. If you have a gravy train coming in why the hell would you want to risk it?

Anyway this is how tgp2 stands today.
Sorry for the long post.
Now go make some money!

Oz

VIPimp · 06-15-2003, 12:56 AM

I got hosted TGP2 galleries for anyone who runs a tgp2 site...
hit me up on icq: 167019888

Cory

the Shemp · 06-15-2003, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OzKaNoz
scorpion3600
Tgp2 convert at about 30 time better on less traffic. This was just proven by a will know webmaster on another board. I won't name the board here out of respect for Lensman.

Oz, dont post the board, post the data.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-15-2003, 01:11 AM

Jimmer · 06-15-2003, 07:25 AM

As an average, for May, his numbers worked out like this:
for productivity, clicks to sponsors and signups -
1,000 TGP2 surfers = 30,000 TGP surfers (from TGSW)

In actual numbers (he had some server & router issues, so his numbers are a little low for May):
- 15,000 surfers to tgp2 galleries
- 449,000 surfers to tgp galleries via tgsw
- sponsor signups were equal

In other words, TGP2 is 30 TIMES more productive than TGP.

jollyperv · 06-15-2003, 07:39 AM

Ah, nobody wants to lose their precious bookmarkers.

slapass · 06-15-2003, 08:12 AM

Lets face it the big guys looked at the surfer as their customer and worked to make that person happy. Once they quit doing that, the 50 other guys who want their spot will move in.

Jimmer · 06-15-2003, 08:17 AM

I would not suggest that people make radical changes, unless they are not making money anyways. I would however suggest starting a new site and putting a hard link at the top of the TGP to feed it some traffic.
I see lots of real nice TGP galleries. It is now hard adjust a gallery to just 5 pcs and submit one page to tgp2gallerypool. What a 5 to 10 minutes maybe? Add some more text for the spiders and if you wan't to take a few more minutes put the pics on html.
Remember the old salesman's saying you have to put it in front of them 3 times. Once on the gallery and 2 more times on the pics they click.

LadyMischief · 06-15-2003, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Jimmer
I would not suggest that people make radical changes, unless they are not making money anyways. I would however suggest starting a new site and putting a hard link at the top of the TGP to feed it some traffic.
I see lots of real nice TGP galleries. It is now hard adjust a gallery to just 5 pcs and submit one page to tgp2gallerypool. What a 5 to 10 minutes maybe? Add some more text for the spiders and if you wan't to take a few more minutes put the pics on html.
Remember the old salesman's saying you have to put it in front of them 3 times. Once on the gallery and 2 more times on the pics they click.

I build both regular tgp galleries and TGP2 galleries, and once I have a design for a tgp gallery, it's literally not even 5 minutes of adjustment to convert it to a TGP2. I honestly think TGP2 is an excellent way to go. The more you can hit the surfer with "suggestions" (advertising) the more likely he is going to be to click, simple as that. Ever watched a child watch tv and learn all the commercials first? Then ask for what they just saw in the commercials? The psychology is pretty much the same. The more they see it, the more they want it. Show them the banner more and they will click. Sorry folks but them's the breaks

TGP won't die I'm sure, but I think that a lot of TGP owners are shortchanging themselves by NOT trying out the TGP2 model. It's not like it can hurt to TRY, and it might even be profitable, if the numbers we've seen and I've heard about are anything close to accurate.

DamageX · 06-15-2003, 08:45 AM

Ok, I've been tip-toing around this thread for a while now, undecided whether to chip in or not... But here it goes.

There are several reasons why a TGP2 gallery converts better than a TGP gallery. ONe of them is, of course, the increased amount of advertising spots. Another is the fact that TGP2 galleries do not offer enough content to get off on, but only to tease. And we all know that a horny surfer, with his dick in his hand, looking to get off, is a profitable surfer.

Now onto the "I'll lose my traffic if I convert" part. That is true. No matter how many "big guys" would choose to convert their sites to TGP2, there will still be 100 more behind them to take their place, stupid enough to believe that if you give the surfer enough to get off on, he'll sign up to a porn membership out of gratitude.

The absolute biggest problem in this business is that there are far too few professional businessmen and way too many hard-headed amateurs. Let's face it, how many actually have basic marketing or macroeconomic knowledge and are able to apply any of those theories to their online porn business? And most don't even bother to check, even if information is very easy to find online. The days of slapping together a few pics and a few sponsor links on a page and make bank with those are long gone. It's time we start taking a more professional approach to this business. We're in this to make money. TGP2 will make you more money. Period.

OzKaNoz · 06-15-2003, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimmer
As an average, for May, his numbers worked out like this:
for productivity, clicks to sponsors and signups -
1,000 TGP2 surfers = 30,000 TGP surfers (from TGSW)

In actual numbers (he had some server & router issues, so his numbers are a little low for May):
- 15,000 surfers to tgp2 galleries
- 449,000 surfers to tgp galleries via tgsw
- sponsor signups were equal

In other words, TGP2 is 30 TIMES more productive than TGP.

Thank you Jimmer sir
I didn't see Shemps reply til just now.

DamageX
Very well said

Oz

Jimmer · 06-17-2003, 12:25 PM

Bump
I think some people missed answering this.

the Shemp · 06-17-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimmer
Bump
I think some people missed answering this.

is there a question?

FlyingIguana · 06-17-2003, 12:43 PM

if tgp2 makes you 30 times more money, make tgp2 galleries. but if you also make money with tgp galleries, make those as well.

FATPad · 06-17-2003, 12:53 PM

If I knew something that would make me 30 times as much money as everyone else, I doubt I'd be telling everyone about it.

Matt 26z · 06-17-2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DamageX
The absolute biggest problem in this business is that there are far too few professional businessmen and way too many hard-headed amateurs.

People with no real skills who were merely at the right place at the right time 3-5 years ago can't possibly compete with a growing talent pool over the long term. Let's see where some of these people are in a few years now that the heat is on.

I've seen certain webmasters brag about their marketing skills, yet if it wasn't for the adult internet they'd be flipping burgers. So I'd like to know where they picked up these so-called marketing skills they think they've got that are so special.

Jimmer · 06-17-2003, 09:55 PM

Ok commenting, the original person was looking for the data and it was asked to post the data.
Actually they say it is more productive. If you can translate it to sales all the better.

DamageX · 06-21-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z

People with no real skills who were merely at the right place at the right time 3-5 years ago can't possibly compete with a growing talent pool over the long term. Let's see where some of these people are in a few years now that the heat is on.

I've seen certain webmasters brag about their marketing skills, yet if it wasn't for the adult internet they'd be flipping burgers. So I'd like to know where they picked up these so-called marketing skills they think they've got that are so special.

AMEN TO THAT!

Some of the self-crowned kings of porn couldn't sell turkey to a bunch of hungry rich people on Thanksgiving day. 'Nuff said.

MattK · 06-21-2003, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OzKaNoz

With in the last month there have been a good number sponsors starting to provide hosted tgp2 galleries and downloadable galleries plus other perks. I know of another 3 or 4 right off the bat that will be doing the same soon.

Oz

do these sponsors have names and web sites where webmasters can sign up?

V_RocKs · 06-03-2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Teen

Thank you, Welcome to 2003! Please click on your free porn on the right and buckle up cause your about to blow your load!

Welcome to 2005...

xxxice · 06-03-2005, 03:29 PM

More hits = more sales

06-14-2003, 09:31 PM	#1
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	Stats - TGP vs. TGP2 Has there been any long-term real world stats that demonstrate the higher productivity (conversion rate) of TGP2 galleries vs. TGP galleries? btw, a tgp2 gallery is one that has roughly only 5 thumbs and the rest links to the join page of a sponsor.

06-15-2003, 12:01 AM	#14
OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	scorpion3600 Tgp2 convert at about 30 time better on less traffic. This was just proven by a will know webmaster on another board. I won't name the board here out of respect for Lensman. It was a month or month and a half project and compared tgp to tgp2. When the testing was done everything was totaled and compared it was found that tgp2 converts at about a rate of 30 times. Of course you mileage will very just like anything else. The webmasters that ran this project is very good at targeting traffic so that had to help too. The nice things about tgp2 are it burns less bandwidth, uses less content. The added plus is the galleries load really fast. The full sized pictures can be on HTML pages and your can make them clickable to a sponsor. On the rules: Tgp2 rule are standardize between all real tgp2 sites. This is something that everyone said would never happen, but it did. The rules are automatically update on most tgp2 sites using a small java script tag. This will display the tgp2 rules on the sites and keep them up to date also. You can view the rule here and the script code is also on there. The rules are not the same rules of a year ago. They were set rock solid about 4 or 5 months ago and haven't change except for adding the rules on movies. Heres a key point that everyone needs to know if they are doing tgp2. Tgp2 only accepts 5 clickable thumbs, no more or no less. Non clickable thumbs are not allowed. With in the last month there have been a good number sponsors starting to provide hosted tgp2 galleries and downloadable galleries plus other perks. I know of another 3 or 4 right off the bat that will be doing the same soon. Add those to the sponsors that have supported tgp2 sence the start, that a good many sponsors. Is tgp2 worth it? You bet your ass it is. In all fareness to tgp's, I understand exactly why they do things the way they do and I can't blame them one bit. If you have a gravy train coming in why the hell would you want to risk it? Anyway this is how tgp2 stands today. Sorry for the long post. Now go make some money! Oz __________________ Techie Media Web Hosting

06-15-2003, 01:11 AM	#17
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06-15-2003, 08:45 AM	#23
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Ok, I've been tip-toing around this thread for a while now, undecided whether to chip in or not... But here it goes. There are several reasons why a TGP2 gallery converts better than a TGP gallery. ONe of them is, of course, the increased amount of advertising spots. Another is the fact that TGP2 galleries do not offer enough content to get off on, but only to tease. And we all know that a horny surfer, with his dick in his hand, looking to get off, is a profitable surfer. Now onto the "I'll lose my traffic if I convert" part. That is true. No matter how many "big guys" would choose to convert their sites to TGP2, there will still be 100 more behind them to take their place, stupid enough to believe that if you give the surfer enough to get off on, he'll sign up to a porn membership out of gratitude. The absolute biggest problem in this business is that there are far too few professional businessmen and way too many hard-headed amateurs. Let's face it, how many actually have basic marketing or macroeconomic knowledge and are able to apply any of those theories to their online porn business? And most don't even bother to check, even if information is very easy to find online. The days of slapping together a few pics and a few sponsor links on a page and make bank with those are long gone. It's time we start taking a more professional approach to this business. We're in this to make money. TGP2 will make you more money. Period. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

06-17-2003, 12:53 PM	#28
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06-14-2003, 09:42 PM	#3
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	any real world stats on this subject are greatly appreciated. All the theory would suggest TGP2 should have a conversion higher than TGP assuming that the # of galleries is limited and the # of images within each gallery is limited, but are we talking: 1:300 from 1:1000 or say 1:800 from 1:1000...

06-14-2003, 09:50 PM	#5
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	TGP2 is still around? Why aren't we on TGP5, or TGP XP, by now?

06-14-2003, 09:59 PM	#6
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	well it's a stupid question Of course having just 5 awesome softcore pictures per gallery is going to increase your affiliate revenue, but I am still amazed by these high volume TGP's...does anybody buy anything or is it a public service to all the newbies, like a kind of "Matrix", an illusion to keep them "thinking" that's the real way to make the $$$ but having very low productivity..or maybe I have no experience!

06-14-2003, 10:25 PM	#10
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Big TGPs would change if they weren't making good money. It's that simple.

06-15-2003, 12:56 AM	#15
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	I got hosted TGP2 galleries for anyone who runs a tgp2 site... hit me up on icq: 167019888 Cory

06-15-2003, 07:25 AM	#18
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	As an average, for May, his numbers worked out like this: for productivity, clicks to sponsors and signups - 1,000 TGP2 surfers = 30,000 TGP surfers (from TGSW) In actual numbers (he had some server & router issues, so his numbers are a little low for May): - 15,000 surfers to tgp2 galleries - 449,000 surfers to tgp galleries via tgsw - sponsor signups were equal In other words, TGP2 is 30 TIMES more productive than TGP.

06-15-2003, 07:39 AM	#19
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Ah, nobody wants to lose their precious bookmarkers.

06-15-2003, 08:12 AM	#20
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Lets face it the big guys looked at the surfer as their customer and worked to make that person happy. Once they quit doing that, the 50 other guys who want their spot will move in.

06-15-2003, 08:17 AM	#21
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	I would not suggest that people make radical changes, unless they are not making money anyways. I would however suggest starting a new site and putting a hard link at the top of the TGP to feed it some traffic. I see lots of real nice TGP galleries. It is now hard adjust a gallery to just 5 pcs and submit one page to tgp2gallerypool. What a 5 to 10 minutes maybe? Add some more text for the spiders and if you wan't to take a few more minutes put the pics on html. Remember the old salesman's saying you have to put it in front of them 3 times. Once on the gallery and 2 more times on the pics they click.

06-17-2003, 12:25 PM	#25
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	Bump I think some people missed answering this.

06-17-2003, 12:43 PM	#27
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	if tgp2 makes you 30 times more money, make tgp2 galleries. but if you also make money with tgp galleries, make those as well.

06-17-2003, 09:55 PM	#30
Jimmer Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Waterloo Ont Posts: 878	Ok commenting, the original person was looking for the data and it was asked to post the data. Actually they say it is more productive. If you can translate it to sales all the better.

06-03-2005, 03:29 PM	#34
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	More hits = more sales