SoBeGirl VS AMA - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

Jon2 · 06-09-2003, 07:41 PM

Am I invisible?

Sobe is ignoring my posts :-(

I don't feel the love...

Oh and 150 assholes!

Jon

TDF · 06-09-2003, 07:42 PM

wow

when good content goes bad

Fletch XXX · 06-09-2003, 07:45 PM

so only sets 100 and above are questionable?

all others are legit?

curious here myself.

Groove · 06-09-2003, 07:49 PM

See sig:

Loch · 06-09-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
I don't need a piece of paper that says I have re-sale rights. I have sale rights. I bought the content. I own it. I sell it. I don't resell it.

Hard to believe you even posted that !
unless you have a very clear exclusive license you dont own shit my friend!

Either way you need some sort of paper as ama shot the content and not you.
The content is signed over to Ama by the models etc etc
Either way if you guys challange each other in any form of court Ama will have the right to revoke the "license" unless its exclusive.

How you can even think of doing such a bulk discount when you know it will besically ruin someones business is also beyound me.
Especially when that guy is helping you with providing you with content.
Not only have you ruined your relationship with him, but also with a TON of potential partners and shooters out there....
The Provider and photographic world is small and the words get round real fast as im sure you know.....
In short (i dont get it).....

Groove · 06-09-2003, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drops
Eric.. What are you doing?

Writing a speech I hope

Fletch XXX · 06-09-2003, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
so only sets 100 and above are questionable?

all others are legit?

curious here myself.

.

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 08:14 PM

Thanx Loch. He claims to have all his paperwork, let him show you paperwork for any of the scenes above S100 in his company name like the one i am showing here. Let him show anyone, anything that I gave him permission to resell besides that bogus scribble he showeed earlier.
You just crossed the line SOBE bigtime. BTW, you have no legal US 2257s.. I retain all those.

prostock · 06-09-2003, 08:17 PM

So many of you are over looking so much here
1 AMA has said many times in the past sobe has the right to sell it , but not at that price and it was never wrote down ,

2 ama now you want to try and be a shit head to all the webmasters and tell them if they get from this point on you wil be fucked , we one that will never happen , next man you have stated a ton of times this isnt over reselling rights it is over pricing , again why you want to look like a DICK to the webmasters ?

3 i really think you to just need to mark this up as a no win deal and let it be done and over with you both are make your SELF LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF DICK HEADS ,

4 eric will just keep droping the price to piss you off we all see that and really i will just about bet you , you will lose you go to court ,

5 people talk on the papers and IDS well you guys need to look better at the 2257 , in all that is AMA place to have it eric if i am right witch i do belive so really doesnt have to have , yes better if so he does but doesnt have to ,

and again lets go to the part AMA has said many time he got it from me and yes to resell it he has that right not tho at that price as we talked about ! not wrote it planly out ! that was a big NO NO on your part AMA

6 I think this now will have more lead way for eric to go after you AMA
people so how and what way , easy ,,,,, you are going around talkng alot of shti , saying he stoled it and now no rights when the fact you said he has it all the time , and doing alot of stuff that way ,. and to me i think as much as i hate to say it can make a CASE against you ,
i know a webmaster that just got out of a legal matter SORRY i cannt tell who over the court ruling , and i was kind had dealing over it to ,
but one webmaster was going after him very jelus and telling boards the guy was a cp pusher and child raper and tons of other shit , well it went to count and that guy going around telling that to people in email and the webmaster board lost and lost big ,,,,,
so man you two need to take you heads out of your assssss

SOBE if i was you i would say fuck it and drop his content what the fuck man it is way over used , joe you need to wake up learn to write better papers on your deals and forget all about him

LadyMischief · 06-09-2003, 08:17 PM

Come to think of it, I've just checked your site, Sobe, and there is not Title 18 information ANYWHERE in sight, as well as a Custodial Contact. Any of his customers care to enlighten me as to what he's giving you folks for custodial information?

TDF · 06-09-2003, 08:19 PM

the only thing that matters is whats on paper at the end of the day. Persoanlly I think anyone and everyone who has bought the content in question should be refunded immediately

Fletch XXX · 06-09-2003, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
Thanx Loch. He claims to have all his paperwork, let him show you paperwork for any of the scenes above S100 in his company name like the one i am showing here. Let him show anyone, anything that I gave him permission to resell besides that bogus scribble he showeed earlier.
You just crossed the line SOBE bigtime. BTW, you have no legal US 2257s.. I retain all those.
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ummm isn't that like a lot of the girl's PERSONAL info you are posting online.

Such as her drivers license #, address, full real name etc?

Why?

LadyMischief · 06-09-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by prostock
So many of you are over looking so much here
1 AMA has said many times in the past sobe has the right to sell it , but not at that price and it was never wrote down ,

2 ama now you want to try and be a shit head to all the webmasters and tell them if they get from this point on you wil be fucked , we one that will never happen , next man you have stated a ton of times this isnt over reselling rights it is over pricing , again why you want to look like a DICK to the webmasters ?

3 i really think you to just need to mark this up as a no win deal and let it be done and over with you both are make your SELF LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF DICK HEADS ,

4 eric will just keep droping the price to piss you off we all see that and really i will just about bet you , you will lose you go to court ,

5 people talk on the papers and IDS well you guys need to look better at the 2257 , in all that is AMA place to have it eric if i am right witch i do belive so really doesnt have to have , yes better if so he does but doesnt have to ,

and again lets go to the part AMA has said many time he got it from me and yes to resell it he has that right not tho at that price as we talked about ! not wrote it planly out ! that was a big NO NO on your part AMA

6 I think this now will have more lead way for eric to go after you AMA
people so how and what way , easy ,,,,, you are going around talkng alot of shti , saying he stoled it and now no rights when the fact you said he has it all the time , and doing alot of stuff that way ,. and to me i think as much as i hate to say it can make a CASE against you ,
i know a webmaster that just got out of a legal matter SORRY i cannt tell who over the court ruling , and i was kind had dealing over it to ,
but one webmaster was going after him very jelus and telling boards the guy was a cp pusher and child raper and tons of other shit , well it went to count and that guy going around telling that to people in email and the webmaster board lost and lost big ,,,,,
so man you two need to take you heads out of your assssss

SOBE if i was you i would say fuck it and drop his content what the fuck man it is way over used , joe you need to wake up learn to write better papers on your deals and forget all about him

Anyone got one of those translating services? I'd really like to see this post in English.

LadyMischief · 06-09-2003, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
the only thing that matters is whats on paper at the end of the day. Persoanlly I think anyone and everyone who has bought the content in question should be refunded immediately

Joe told me that he would issue licenses from himself to anyone who purchased the content from Sobe. I suggest those of you who have purchased from Sobe should contact him. It's just a good idea.

Groove · 06-09-2003, 08:23 PM

If SoBeGirl says the videos are cool,
that's good enough for me

Why so many doubters?

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 08:27 PM

Thanx Fletchxxx and Lady M Once again SOBE show something in your company name . Here is my cover of the US 2257 form. This is page 1 of 6 pages, each that get signed by models. I dont think you have this for any of MY scenes youre selling.

Fletch XXX · 06-09-2003, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
Thanx Fletchxxx

Wasn't giving you shit, I just think model info should be super private unless you buy the content etc... (especially on this board) hahaha

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 08:31 PM

Yes I will issue licenses to anyone who bought content on or before 4 June 03. I will not after that date.
Thanx Lady Mischief - Jacy Content

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 08:32 PM

Yes Fletch, i posted wrong url. Thanx again. I know you werent being a shit

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 08:33 PM

I meant
Thanx Lady Mischief JACT CONTENT

I dont tipe wel wen im pised

Loch · 06-09-2003, 08:33 PM

prostock im only going to respond to one of your coments cause frankly im tooooo fucking tired!!!
Its bloody 5:20 Am here

You dont understand why ama is going after the webmasters?
Well to me the answer is simple.
He is trying to protect hes business and current client base, its walking a fine line ill give you that.
BUT if you had spend 2-3K at amacontent would you still hate him for trying to protect your ass?

Sobe has done a SHITTY thing here how ever you choose to look at it.......
Not by doing a bulk discount, but by discounting non-exclusive resell licensed content which the founder of amacontent bases hes living on and thereby setting him probably back 6 months.
Even IF Sobe had all the paper work and the legal isues in order with ama and there were set no limit regarding prices it called fucking over a competitor bigtime "but legaly".

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 09:01 PM

Prostock, for once I agree with you. Joe has already admitted that I have rights to sell the content he sold me. But I don't need his admission or permission or blessing becuase I have the paperwork.

SoBEGirl bought it, paid for it and Joe gladly accepted the money and then sold me more for SoBeGirl to resell. You are correct, the only issue here is how much I can sell it for.

And to answer that question is that I can sell it for whatever I want because it is mine. I own it becuase I paid to own it. I don't have resell rights, I have sell rights.

I own a copy of the content just as Joe does. No webmasters should be scared by this guys tatctics to hold up prices and fuck every webmaster in the ass. I am selling content packages that are affordable for everyone. Let the market be free. Let Content providers compete on service quality and delivery.

SureFire · 06-09-2003, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief

Anyone got one of those translating services? I'd really like to see this post in English.

Sobe understood.

Ketadream · 06-09-2003, 09:11 PM

Wow....

As someone who is getting into the content business, my legal team would shoot me if I pulled half this shit...

p00p · 06-09-2003, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Prostock, for once I agree with you. Joe has already admitted that I have rights to sell the content he sold me. But I don't need his admission or permission or blessing becuase I have the paperwork.

SoBEGirl bought it, paid for it and Joe gladly accepted the money and then sold me more for SoBeGirl to resell. You are correct, the only issue here is how much I can sell it for.

And to answer that question is that I can sell it for whatever I want because it is mine. I own it becuase I paid to own it. I don't have resell rights, I have sell rights.

I own a copy of the content just as Joe does. No webmasters should be scared by this guys tatctics to hold up prices and fuck every webmaster in the ass. I am selling content packages that are affordable for everyone. Let the market be free. Let Content providers compete on service quality and delivery.

Sobe, he doesn't want to fuck the fools who bought content from you up the ass. He wants to fuck YOU up the ass. Unfortunatley there would be collateral damage to these webmasters, which serves them right for doing business with you. You being a liar, a con, a thief, an uneducated child with zero business sense. I saw this in the making many moons ago, when you were run off Oprano for doing your spamming con act there.

By you saying he wants to fuck webmasters up the ass goes to prove you are still spinning tall tales to try and make yourself look the better man. YOU are the one fucking webmasters up the ass. You have been for a loooong time.

I think you are lucky it is Joe you pissed off, and not someone else with a grudge, a short fuse, and money...or you would be selling trading your food stamps for crack right now instead of continuing your con on the boards.

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 09:15 PM

Prostock, for once I agree with you. Joe has already admitted that I have rights to sell the content he sold me. But I don't need his admission or permission or blessing becuase I have the paperwork.

LETS SEE THE PAPERWORK... YOU HAVE NONE

Lets see the US 2257 paperwork Federal law requires you to jhave. YOU have NONE I have it

If you buy my scenes from SOBE now i will prosecute

If you already bought, i will issue you a new license.
Show us this in your company name SOBE SHIT

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 09:25 PM

Good try Shmoe but I have all the paperwork in order. YOu can see how diligent I was about making sure that I got all the proper paperwork when you look at those images I pasted into the top of this thread. I even reject some vids he send me becuase they did not have documentation. YOu can see the set numbers on the paper work of those shoots. If you cannot see the set numbers send me an ICQ and I will tell them to you. Then go to Joe's site and see that he is selling them there under the same shoot numbers. Ask him if he has ID for these sets becuase he sure as did not have them when he was trying to sell them to SoBeGirl...

Any webmaster that buys content from SoBeGirl from now on will get both model relase forms for all content bought and Photo IDS.

vicki · 06-09-2003, 09:30 PM

this is getting uglier by the day .....

If I were you guys, I'd stop this public bs before you both post your way out of business. Webmasters do NOT like any thoughts of illegality when it comes to content. The facts of this ordeal will be jumbled and forgotten but you could easily find wm's loosing trust in your companies simply from the inability to act professionally.

just MHO

crockett · 06-09-2003, 09:35 PM

well I duno who's right or who's or who's wrong in this matter.. I personally don't care...

but the US 2257 seems to keep comming up... well it is my understanding that , although it's nice to have this as a webmaster.. it's not required by law for the webmaster (or resalers for that matter) to have himself.. right? only the person that shoots the content has to have the legal proof of age and consent forms.. am I right? I mean I go into gas stations every day and see playboy and hustler mags sitting behind the counters.. well I really don't think the store owner has copies of this paper work.. so what's the diffrence?

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 09:37 PM

Hey Schmoe only thing you posted was some hand written reciepts and printed reciepts saying purchased scenes for website and promo use. I dont see anything about resale .

You are the ultimate COCK SUCKER LOSER. Fucking over your freinds and buisness peers.

Once again i will state if my scenes are bought from SOBE and I find them I will prosecute . I will prsecute and you will have to come to NYC to defend yourself. Win or Lose. You want that content.. I will sell it to you. ALL Paperwork in my corporate name. MY scenes.

Say whatever you want SOBE. At least ALL and I mean ALL the paperwork is in MY company name.

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 09:41 PM

OH and btw. My license has been revoked because of SOBEs actions in giving the Hungarian Videos away for free. So now I cant even use the Hungarian videos. Anyone who has them must take them down from thier sites. Im getting a legal notification to the fact that I will pass on as proof.
NICE JOB SOBE>

LadyMischief · 06-09-2003, 09:41 PM

Ok, you're both acting like fucking cockholsters now. Take a deep breath and get it the fuck off the boards. Guys. Wake up.

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 09:42 PM

I will make it up somehow to the people that have it. I know SOBE will just disreguard any ICQs or emails to the fact as usual.

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 09:45 PM

You are not suing anyone. I have all the paperwork, I have all the contracts and receipts, you are blowing hot air up everyone's butts.

Fact is when you sold SoBeGirl over ten thousand dollars of content fto be sold by SoBeGirl, which you already admitted to doing, you made a business deal with me that at that time gave you what you wanted. SOME CASH.

Now you are backing out of that deal. YOu cannot do that. A deal is a deal I bought the content from you, you gave me all the legal docs and rights to sell.

SoBeGirl Owns all the content that is for sale on http://www.************* and nobody can say otherwise.

FATPad · 06-09-2003, 09:47 PM

Amacontent, you need to stop posting for real and get your lawyer to start taking care of this stuff.

You're not doing yourself any good posting anymore.

Stop posting, stop signing things dipshit sends you in the hopes he'll follow through, stop everything, get your lawyer on it and let him handle it.

amacontent · 06-09-2003, 09:50 PM

Yes Fat pad youre right. Thanx. Thanx also to LAdy Mischief.
No more posts. I will have legal do it. I Promise.

SureFire · 06-09-2003, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Ok, you're both acting like fucking cockholsters now. Take a deep breath and get it the fuck off the boards. Guys. Wake up.

say what...? OR does JACT has some involvement.

Please continue.

Paul Markham · 06-09-2003, 09:52 PM

In business you need to get it EVERYTHING in writing everytime. This whole thing comes around because neither of these guys got it in writing what the deal was for. Should either of them be trusted to run a hot dog stall outside a junior league baseball stadium?

Webmasters who do not insist on getting 2257 documents and a license from a content provider, you could be dealing with people of this level of competence.

Joe do not come back and tell me you have all the 2257 documents. You quite clearly sold the videos to Eric, a known reseller, without giving himn the 2257 documents and a properly worded contract and only started to complain after he had been selling this content for a while.

Eric you bought the content without these things, you are both fools and hopefully best out of the PORN BUSINESS.

greentea · 06-09-2003, 09:53 PM

The one thing i have learned from all this, never buy content from sobegirl.

Loch · 06-09-2003, 09:53 PM

Pretty standard resale license (for the ones that asked earlier in this thread).
Special agreements can be added of cause.
Ok im off to bed

Resale license for the WWW!
This License Agreement is made effective as of _______between COMPANY and

__________________________________________________ ____________________
(Licensee name)
__________________________________________________ ____________________
(License address)

In the agreement, the party who is granting the right to use the licensed property will be referred to as ("Licensor"), the party who is receiving the right to use the licensed property will be referred to as ("Licensee"), and the selling party, COMPANY will be refer to as Owner. The parties agree as follows:

The following title names shall be referred to as ("Product") in this agreement, and are all of the products covered with this agreement. The Licensor agrees to license the following Titles to the Licensee.

[1] Grant of License. Licensor owns and distributes the product named above. In accordance with this agreement, Licensor grants Licensee a non-exclusive website license to distribute Product. The Licensee understands distribution of the product is defined as sales to customers and webmaster clients, with no restrictions. Licensor retains title and ownership of the product. Licensee becomes the custodian of records upon purchase of the product and is solely responsible as such for all future sales and use of the product. It is understood, not withstanding any other provisions of this agreement, Licensor has the unequivocal right to obtain timely injunctive relief to protect the proprietary rights of Licensor.

[2] Revocation of License. Licensor may revoke Licensee's license in the event that violates one or more of the provisions of this Agreement, requests a refund of the license fee from Broker, or if the license payment is deemed not valid. If Licensee declares bankruptcy, the Agreement is automatically revoked. Involuntary revocation of the license does not grant Licensee any refund of payment made.

[3] Modifications. Any modifications not specially listed in this document are not granted without express written permission of Licensor.

[4] Transfer of Rights. This agreement shall be binding on any successors of the parties. Licensee does not have the right to assign it's interests in this agreement to any other party, unless the prior written consent of Licensor is obtained and an administration fee (to be determined at the time of approval and transfer) is paid.

[6] Entire Agreement. This agreement contains the entire agreement of the parties and there are no other promises or conditions in any other agreement whether oral or written. This agreement supersedes any prior written or oral agreements between the parties. This agreement requires that Licensee return two (2) copies of the signature page to Licensor in order for this agreement to be binding.

[7] Amendment. This agreement may be modified or amended by Licensor and the amendment will be sent in writing to the Licensee.

[8] Severability. If any provision of this agreement shall be held invalid or unenforceable for any reason, the remaining provisions shall continue to be valid and enforceable. If a court finds that any provision of this agreement is invalid or unenforceable, but that by limiting such provision it would become valid or enforceable, then such provision shall be deemed to be written, construed, and enforced as so limited.

[9] Wavier of Contractual Right. The failure of either party to enforce any provision of this agreement shall not be construed as a waiver or limitation of that party's right to subsequently enforce and compel strict compliance with every provision of this agreement.

[10] Applicable Law. This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of New Jersey, USA. Licensee holds COMPANY harmless for any legal issues relating to the distribution of the material as it relates to the community standards and adult entertainment laws as set forth in the city/county, state or country of licensee and their websites. COMPANY does not warrant this material to be acceptable in your community, and Licensee has assumed full responsibility for determining what Product are suitable for distribution. COMPANY warrants the Product are fully copyrighted, and this license warrants these Product free of intellectual property violations only. These Product are in compliance with the 18 U.S.C.2257 US federal law.

I (print your name) _________________________ am of legal age to purchase adult content and I am not a member of any law enforcement group or agency using this as an agenda of entrapment. I further state that I am lawfully able to purchase adult
material from within the community which I reside and I am not in violation of any local laws including postal laws for the community in which I reside.

I am of legal age to purchase adult material. I am (your age) ______________ years old.

Licensor: COMPANY
By:
___________________________________________

____________________________________________
Date

Licensee:
By:
___________________________________________

___________________________________________
Date

___________________________________________
Agent COMPANY

___________________________________________
Date

License
COMPANY

Groove · 06-09-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
Yes Fat pad youre right. Thanx. Thanx also to LAdy Mischief.
No more posts. I will have legal do it. I Promise.

I suggest you take it to Judge Judy:

http://www.judgejudy.com/

SureFire · 06-09-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea
The one thing i have learned from all this, never buy content from sobegirl.

Me too!

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 10:01 PM

The one thing I have learned is never to buy content from AMA. He will sell it to you and then decide he does not want to sell it to you. I have all the docs, permission to sell, model release forms and photo IDs. I don't need JOes blessing.

Paul Markham · 06-09-2003, 10:01 PM

crockett
Are you saying that you will trust people like this to hold 2257 documents for you? Trust me Playboy and Penthouse have their documentation together a bit more than this.

FATPad
The first thing an attorney would say is shut up, say nothing this is now my job. Neither of these guys have lawyers or are likely to get them. Lawyers don't work for $5 an hour.

Groove
Good idea, this is at that level.

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 10:20 PM

Quote:

As far as I know, Joe has never denied that he gave SoBe the rights to resell, regardless of whether or not there was a written agreement.

So then why do we keep backtracking here? Why do I keep seeing people saying that SoBegirl does not have the right to sell? SoBeGirl does, has the docs to prove it which were posted here and the model rel forms and photo IDs. I have no problems. The only problem I have is calming people down that get upset very eaisly.

The situation is clear. MOre than a year ago JOe made a business deal which at the time he thought was a good one. Sell SoBeGirl content so that he could get more cash and shoot more. Today he is not so happy he did that but there is nothing he can do about it but lie and slander SoBeGirl which he will pay for in the end.

Nobody needs to worry. If you don't want to buy from SoBeGirl anymore that is to bad. I will miss you. Maybe in the furture then.

Groove · 06-09-2003, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
The situation is clear. MOre than a year ago JOe made a business deal which at the time he thought was a good one. Sell SoBeGirl content so that he could get more cash and shoot more. Today he is not so happy he did that but there is nothing he can do about it but lie and slander SoBeGirl which he will pay for in the end.

YES! SoBeGirl is the victim. Stop picking on SoBeGirl!

It's obvious that Judge Judy will rule in SoBe's favor

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 10:26 PM

groove can you contact me on ICq please 97934302

Groove · 06-09-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
groove can you contact me on ICq please 97934302

Only if you make your speech.

SoBeGirl Video · 06-09-2003, 10:28 PM

I will I will I promise just contact me.

Groove · 06-09-2003, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
I will I will I promise just contact me.

Make the speech first and make it a good one!

We all know your promises mean nothing

06-09-2003, 07:42 PM	#152
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	wow when good content goes bad __________________ Sig heil

06-09-2003, 07:45 PM	#153
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	so only sets 100 and above are questionable? all others are legit? curious here myself. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-09-2003, 08:14 PM	#158
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Thanx Loch. He claims to have all his paperwork, let him show you paperwork for any of the scenes above S100 in his company name like the one i am showing here. Let him show anyone, anything that I gave him permission to resell besides that bogus scribble he showeed earlier. You just crossed the line SOBE bigtime. BTW, you have no legal US 2257s.. I retain all those. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 08:17 PM	#159
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	So many of you are over looking so much here 1 AMA has said many times in the past sobe has the right to sell it , but not at that price and it was never wrote down , 2 ama now you want to try and be a shit head to all the webmasters and tell them if they get from this point on you wil be fucked , we one that will never happen , next man you have stated a ton of times this isnt over reselling rights it is over pricing , again why you want to look like a DICK to the webmasters ? 3 i really think you to just need to mark this up as a no win deal and let it be done and over with you both are make your SELF LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF DICK HEADS , 4 eric will just keep droping the price to piss you off we all see that and really i will just about bet you , you will lose you go to court , 5 people talk on the papers and IDS well you guys need to look better at the 2257 , in all that is AMA place to have it eric if i am right witch i do belive so really doesnt have to have , yes better if so he does but doesnt have to , and again lets go to the part AMA has said many time he got it from me and yes to resell it he has that right not tho at that price as we talked about ! not wrote it planly out ! that was a big NO NO on your part AMA 6 I think this now will have more lead way for eric to go after you AMA people so how and what way , easy ,,,,, you are going around talkng alot of shti , saying he stoled it and now no rights when the fact you said he has it all the time , and doing alot of stuff that way ,. and to me i think as much as i hate to say it can make a CASE against you , i know a webmaster that just got out of a legal matter SORRY i cannt tell who over the court ruling , and i was kind had dealing over it to , but one webmaster was going after him very jelus and telling boards the guy was a cp pusher and child raper and tons of other shit , well it went to count and that guy going around telling that to people in email and the webmaster board lost and lost big ,,,,, so man you two need to take you heads out of your assssss SOBE if i was you i would say fuck it and drop his content what the fuck man it is way over used , joe you need to wake up learn to write better papers on your deals and forget all about him __________________ ICQ # :158519717

06-09-2003, 08:17 PM	#160
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Come to think of it, I've just checked your site, Sobe, and there is not Title 18 information ANYWHERE in sight, as well as a Custodial Contact. Any of his customers care to enlighten me as to what he's giving you folks for custodial information? __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

06-09-2003, 07:41 PM	#151
Jon2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,875	Am I invisible? Sobe is ignoring my posts :-( I don't feel the love... Oh and 150 assholes! Jon

06-09-2003, 07:49 PM	#154
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	See sig:

06-09-2003, 08:19 PM	#161
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	the only thing that matters is whats on paper at the end of the day. Persoanlly I think anyone and everyone who has bought the content in question should be refunded immediately __________________ Sig heil

06-09-2003, 08:23 PM	#165
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	If SoBeGirl says the videos are cool, that's good enough for me Why so many doubters?

06-09-2003, 08:27 PM	#166
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Thanx Fletchxxx and Lady M Once again SOBE show something in your company name . Here is my cover of the US 2257 form. This is page 1 of 6 pages, each that get signed by models. I dont think you have this for any of MY scenes youre selling. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 08:31 PM	#168
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Yes I will issue licenses to anyone who bought content on or before 4 June 03. I will not after that date. Thanx Lady Mischief - Jacy Content __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 08:32 PM	#169
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Yes Fletch, i posted wrong url. Thanx again. I know you werent being a shit __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 08:33 PM	#170
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	I meant Thanx Lady Mischief JACT CONTENT I dont tipe wel wen im pised __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 08:33 PM	#171
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	prostock im only going to respond to one of your coments cause frankly im tooooo fucking tired!!! Its bloody 5:20 Am here You dont understand why ama is going after the webmasters? Well to me the answer is simple. He is trying to protect hes business and current client base, its walking a fine line ill give you that. BUT if you had spend 2-3K at amacontent would you still hate him for trying to protect your ass? Sobe has done a SHITTY thing here how ever you choose to look at it....... Not by doing a bulk discount, but by discounting non-exclusive resell licensed content which the founder of amacontent bases hes living on and thereby setting him probably back 6 months. Even IF Sobe had all the paper work and the legal isues in order with ama and there were set no limit regarding prices it called fucking over a competitor bigtime "but legaly". __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

06-09-2003, 09:01 PM	#172
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Prostock, for once I agree with you. Joe has already admitted that I have rights to sell the content he sold me. But I don't need his admission or permission or blessing becuase I have the paperwork. SoBEGirl bought it, paid for it and Joe gladly accepted the money and then sold me more for SoBeGirl to resell. You are correct, the only issue here is how much I can sell it for. And to answer that question is that I can sell it for whatever I want because it is mine. I own it becuase I paid to own it. I don't have resell rights, I have sell rights. I own a copy of the content just as Joe does. No webmasters should be scared by this guys tatctics to hold up prices and fuck every webmaster in the ass. I am selling content packages that are affordable for everyone. Let the market be free. Let Content providers compete on service quality and delivery.

06-09-2003, 09:11 PM	#174
Ketadream Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,373	Wow.... As someone who is getting into the content business, my legal team would shoot me if I pulled half this shit... __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-09-2003, 09:15 PM	#176
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Prostock, for once I agree with you. Joe has already admitted that I have rights to sell the content he sold me. But I don't need his admission or permission or blessing becuase I have the paperwork. LETS SEE THE PAPERWORK... YOU HAVE NONE Lets see the US 2257 paperwork Federal law requires you to jhave. YOU have NONE I have it If you buy my scenes from SOBE now i will prosecute If you already bought, i will issue you a new license. Show us this in your company name SOBE SHIT __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 09:25 PM	#177
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Good try Shmoe but I have all the paperwork in order. YOu can see how diligent I was about making sure that I got all the proper paperwork when you look at those images I pasted into the top of this thread. I even reject some vids he send me becuase they did not have documentation. YOu can see the set numbers on the paper work of those shoots. If you cannot see the set numbers send me an ICQ and I will tell them to you. Then go to Joe's site and see that he is selling them there under the same shoot numbers. Ask him if he has ID for these sets becuase he sure as did not have them when he was trying to sell them to SoBeGirl... Any webmaster that buys content from SoBeGirl from now on will get both model relase forms for all content bought and Photo IDS.

06-09-2003, 09:30 PM	#178
vicki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Deep in the heart o' Texas Posts: 1,478	this is getting uglier by the day ..... If I were you guys, I'd stop this public bs before you both post your way out of business. Webmasters do NOT like any thoughts of illegality when it comes to content. The facts of this ordeal will be jumbled and forgotten but you could easily find wm's loosing trust in your companies simply from the inability to act professionally. just MHO __________________ If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment. HR merchant accounts from 3.45% solid biz since 98 victoriakozub AT gmail.com skype: victoria.kozub \| ICQ: 74296746

06-09-2003, 09:35 PM	#179
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	well I duno who's right or who's or who's wrong in this matter.. I personally don't care... but the US 2257 seems to keep comming up... well it is my understanding that , although it's nice to have this as a webmaster.. it's not required by law for the webmaster (or resalers for that matter) to have himself.. right? only the person that shoots the content has to have the legal proof of age and consent forms.. am I right? I mean I go into gas stations every day and see playboy and hustler mags sitting behind the counters.. well I really don't think the store owner has copies of this paper work.. so what's the diffrence? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

06-09-2003, 09:37 PM	#180
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Hey Schmoe only thing you posted was some hand written reciepts and printed reciepts saying purchased scenes for website and promo use. I dont see anything about resale . You are the ultimate COCK SUCKER LOSER. Fucking over your freinds and buisness peers. Once again i will state if my scenes are bought from SOBE and I find them I will prosecute . I will prsecute and you will have to come to NYC to defend yourself. Win or Lose. You want that content.. I will sell it to you. ALL Paperwork in my corporate name. MY scenes. Say whatever you want SOBE. At least ALL and I mean ALL the paperwork is in MY company name. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 09:41 PM	#181
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	OH and btw. My license has been revoked because of SOBEs actions in giving the Hungarian Videos away for free. So now I cant even use the Hungarian videos. Anyone who has them must take them down from thier sites. Im getting a legal notification to the fact that I will pass on as proof. NICE JOB SOBE> __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 09:41 PM	#182
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Ok, you're both acting like fucking cockholsters now. Take a deep breath and get it the fuck off the boards. Guys. Wake up. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

06-09-2003, 09:42 PM	#183
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	I will make it up somehow to the people that have it. I know SOBE will just disreguard any ICQs or emails to the fact as usual. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 09:45 PM	#184
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	You are not suing anyone. I have all the paperwork, I have all the contracts and receipts, you are blowing hot air up everyone's butts. Fact is when you sold SoBeGirl over ten thousand dollars of content fto be sold by SoBeGirl, which you already admitted to doing, you made a business deal with me that at that time gave you what you wanted. SOME CASH. Now you are backing out of that deal. YOu cannot do that. A deal is a deal I bought the content from you, you gave me all the legal docs and rights to sell. SoBeGirl Owns all the content that is for sale on http://www.************* and nobody can say otherwise.

06-09-2003, 09:47 PM	#185
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Amacontent, you need to stop posting for real and get your lawyer to start taking care of this stuff. You're not doing yourself any good posting anymore. Stop posting, stop signing things dipshit sends you in the hopes he'll follow through, stop everything, get your lawyer on it and let him handle it. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

06-09-2003, 09:50 PM	#186
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,871	Yes Fat pad youre right. Thanx. Thanx also to LAdy Mischief. No more posts. I will have legal do it. I Promise. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-09-2003, 09:52 PM	#188
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	In business you need to get it EVERYTHING in writing everytime. This whole thing comes around because neither of these guys got it in writing what the deal was for. Should either of them be trusted to run a hot dog stall outside a junior league baseball stadium? Webmasters who do not insist on getting 2257 documents and a license from a content provider, you could be dealing with people of this level of competence. Joe do not come back and tell me you have all the 2257 documents. You quite clearly sold the videos to Eric, a known reseller, without giving himn the 2257 documents and a properly worded contract and only started to complain after he had been selling this content for a while. Eric you bought the content without these things, you are both fools and hopefully best out of the PORN BUSINESS. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

06-09-2003, 09:53 PM	#189
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	The one thing i have learned from all this, never buy content from sobegirl.

06-09-2003, 09:53 PM	#190
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	Pretty standard resale license (for the ones that asked earlier in this thread). Special agreements can be added of cause. Ok im off to bed Resale license for the WWW! This License Agreement is made effective as of _______between COMPANY and __________________________________________________ ____________________ (Licensee name) __________________________________________________ ____________________ (License address) In the agreement, the party who is granting the right to use the licensed property will be referred to as ("Licensor"), the party who is receiving the right to use the licensed property will be referred to as ("Licensee"), and the selling party, COMPANY will be refer to as Owner. The parties agree as follows: The following title names shall be referred to as ("Product") in this agreement, and are all of the products covered with this agreement. The Licensor agrees to license the following Titles to the Licensee. [1] Grant of License. Licensor owns and distributes the product named above. In accordance with this agreement, Licensor grants Licensee a non-exclusive website license to distribute Product. The Licensee understands distribution of the product is defined as sales to customers and webmaster clients, with no restrictions. Licensor retains title and ownership of the product. Licensee becomes the custodian of records upon purchase of the product and is solely responsible as such for all future sales and use of the product. It is understood, not withstanding any other provisions of this agreement, Licensor has the unequivocal right to obtain timely injunctive relief to protect the proprietary rights of Licensor. [2] Revocation of License. Licensor may revoke Licensee's license in the event that violates one or more of the provisions of this Agreement, requests a refund of the license fee from Broker, or if the license payment is deemed not valid. If Licensee declares bankruptcy, the Agreement is automatically revoked. Involuntary revocation of the license does not grant Licensee any refund of payment made. [3] Modifications. Any modifications not specially listed in this document are not granted without express written permission of Licensor. [4] Transfer of Rights. This agreement shall be binding on any successors of the parties. Licensee does not have the right to assign it's interests in this agreement to any other party, unless the prior written consent of Licensor is obtained and an administration fee (to be determined at the time of approval and transfer) is paid. [6] Entire Agreement. This agreement contains the entire agreement of the parties and there are no other promises or conditions in any other agreement whether oral or written. This agreement supersedes any prior written or oral agreements between the parties. This agreement requires that Licensee return two (2) copies of the signature page to Licensor in order for this agreement to be binding. [7] Amendment. This agreement may be modified or amended by Licensor and the amendment will be sent in writing to the Licensee. [8] Severability. If any provision of this agreement shall be held invalid or unenforceable for any reason, the remaining provisions shall continue to be valid and enforceable. If a court finds that any provision of this agreement is invalid or unenforceable, but that by limiting such provision it would become valid or enforceable, then such provision shall be deemed to be written, construed, and enforced as so limited. [9] Wavier of Contractual Right. The failure of either party to enforce any provision of this agreement shall not be construed as a waiver or limitation of that party's right to subsequently enforce and compel strict compliance with every provision of this agreement. [10] Applicable Law. This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of New Jersey, USA. Licensee holds COMPANY harmless for any legal issues relating to the distribution of the material as it relates to the community standards and adult entertainment laws as set forth in the city/county, state or country of licensee and their websites. COMPANY does not warrant this material to be acceptable in your community, and Licensee has assumed full responsibility for determining what Product are suitable for distribution. COMPANY warrants the Product are fully copyrighted, and this license warrants these Product free of intellectual property violations only. These Product are in compliance with the 18 U.S.C.2257 US federal law. I (print your name) _________________________ am of legal age to purchase adult content and I am not a member of any law enforcement group or agency using this as an agenda of entrapment. I further state that I am lawfully able to purchase adult material from within the community which I reside and I am not in violation of any local laws including postal laws for the community in which I reside. I am of legal age to purchase adult material. I am (your age) ______________ years old. Licensor: COMPANY By: ___________________________________________ ____________________________________________ Date Licensee: By: ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ Date ___________________________________________ Agent COMPANY ___________________________________________ Date License COMPANY __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

06-09-2003, 10:01 PM	#193
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	The one thing I have learned is never to buy content from AMA. He will sell it to you and then decide he does not want to sell it to you. I have all the docs, permission to sell, model release forms and photo IDs. I don't need JOes blessing.

06-09-2003, 10:01 PM	#194
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	crockett Are you saying that you will trust people like this to hold 2257 documents for you? Trust me Playboy and Penthouse have their documentation together a bit more than this. FATPad The first thing an attorney would say is shut up, say nothing this is now my job. Neither of these guys have lawyers or are likely to get them. Lawyers don't work for $5 an hour. Groove Good idea, this is at that level. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by charly; 06-09-2003 at 10:08 PM..

06-09-2003, 10:26 PM	#197
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	groove can you contact me on ICq please 97934302

06-09-2003, 10:28 PM	#199
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	I will I will I promise just contact me.