SoBe - FUCK YOU spamming bitch

Soooo much love for the SoBeGirl :1orglaugh

he is a thief..

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A contract that relies on payment is void unless payment is made. If he isn't paying you what is demanded in that little contract, he has no resale rights. If he is paying you, then that little contract covers his resale rights.

Even if there was not a written contract originally signed saying they couldnt be sold for less than 40 bucks, wouldnt the addendum that they both signed still be legal and valid?

I think anyone buying content hates when crap like this happens. It makes us wonder what happens behind the scenes that we DON'T know about that could cause probs down the road.

Given that, this is my take on it:

#1 Joe himself admitted he knew Sobe would be reselling - that alone erases any question of not having resellers rights and license.

#2 The only dispute here is the AMOUNT it could be resold for and that burden of proof would fall to the original seller.

#3 Joe stated he didn't get the resell cap amount in writing.

Unless there is PROOF of a verbal agreement (of the $40 cap) in one of the threads that I may have missed (ie Sobe stating he'd agreed to the price cap).... Good, bad or ugly those seem to be the facts.
I think its obvious the courts would side with Sobe. Sometimes not having all the T's crossed can lead to expensive lessons.

Note: as for the agreement between the two parties in that addendum of the 4th & 5th of June - Joe, it states in there that the agreement can NOT be broken unless BOTH parties agree to break it. Therefore unless you do not recieve the payments stated in the addendum, your contract still holds.

Now it comes down to will you get the monthly resale payments. If those payments are not made, you then have legal grounds for a lawsuit.

And both of you should note that your legal names are given, not just your company names.

I can end this debate very eaisly. Just as I was always willing to, I will honor the agreement you see below. Even after Joe trashed me on the boards and cost me money and aggrivation. I will honor the agreement. Now it is over, everybody can get back to work. Thank you all GFY board members for your help..

http://www.amacontent.com/pics/sobe.jpg

Well Vikki, why did SOBE send me this agreement then:
http://www.amacontent.com/pics/sobe.jpg

He drew that up. he signed it , he faxed it to me. I wish I saved the conversation where he admitted fucking up. But if hes so innocent, why would he settle with my for $5000.

And Gothweb, HE NEVER PAID ME. He broke agreement next day when he got a copy of a tape he needed from me

Well it is almost over. I see that in Joe's link to the contract we signed he omitted the fact that I only have to pay this $350 a month for 10 months.

After that I don't have to pay him a dime till the end of time. And within this 10-month period I can sell the content for whatever price I want

Here is a scan of the "real" agreement Joe and I signed. See his writing at the bottom where it says "address to FedEx etc..."

So this case is closed. You can buy from SoBeGirl without worries, SoBeGirl has no copywrite music in the videos. And if you want to learn more about what is considered copywrite music I suggest you look into the Westland case to understand what a court will and will not bust you for.

Don't get all-nervous from rumors or conjecture from my competition or from people that follow me from board to board trying to ruin me. Look up the facts. After you do you will realize that when you buy from SoBeGirl you get the best deals in town, you get the best service and you are protected by the law. SoBeGirl will never let you down.


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Mmmm ... Forgetting the dispute over some pricing, I am kinda amazed you actually admit to not possessing any form of resale rights for the material you purchase from others and then offer out to webmasters.

There is very little "implied" in this - the only thing it has going for it is, a judge may take into account you are a "wholesaler" of video material. But equally, this and any material could be intended for use on your own websites.

Erik.... I buy video which I can resell to others - I have specific agreements to do this. I also buy video which I may not sell to others, - that comprises material purchased for use on my own websites under a "standard" website license agreement.

I would not dream of offering out material to webmasters under a standard website license when, in fact, I have no specific rights to do so. This just causes everyone problems.

Guys... what the fuck to I know about your dispute on pricing, but I know one thing - you gotta stick to your word, whether this is literally some verbal or written agreement. That includes keeping to the spirit of the deal.

And.... no name-calling and dirty washing in public, - this is just unprofessional conduct. This is your business and a matter between two parties. Someone knows the "truth" - cool off and abide by the deal. And good luck to ya!

wow............this is kinda shocking. Sobe has NO agreement mentioning anything about reselling.

Mutt, can you not read. Look at my attached Image. REad it .

i see an agreement dated June,04,2003.

Erik:

Sorry.. am I missing something here? You saying that you do have resale rights? Just wondering....

And.. I ain't any competitor gunning for you, just a "little" concerned. :glugglug

Of course I have resale rights. It was not in writing until July even though contracts which you can see in many places in this post.

This issue is over. Beaten to death. Let's moveon...

case closed..

OK... seems there is, as you say, no paperwork to support any terms of resale.

All I can say is, it takes less than 10 minutes to prepare a standard set of resale rights terms. This is basic stuff.

Sheesh .. it never ends....

tell it to JOe please so he canstop slandering the SoBeGirl name. I have all i need to do whatever I want . SoBeGirl will always offer webmasters legal, fresh content at affordable prices. That is what SoBegirl does.

Erik:

Tell what to Joe? Why don't you get on the phone to Joe and resolve your problems? He obviously has some bone of contention. If he has been "slandering" you, yea, that is wrong.

As to the rest, now you got me concerned - since you seem to imply a lot, but, by your own admission, do not actually possess any written resale rights for your material. You either have or do not have this, - there is no middle ground other than that which may need to have court judgement. And who is interested in wasting time hanging around a load of lawyers and courtrooms?

Once again for those of you that are not paying attention..

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Joe, you need to stop posting and just get your lawyer on it.

There were no agreements, verbal agreements, contracts signed 4 days ago...etc. It's turning into a giant mess.

Get your lawyer, see what he says, and then let him handle it from now on.

Erik:

Once again.. this does not state *anything* about resale rights. Sure, you and Joe may "know" stuff, (those implied" and never stated terms), but come crunch time in a suit to support some webmaster, is this what you are going to produce as "evidence"??

Sorry man, it just does not stand up. If this is the general standard of documentation from "content providers", God help us.

WEbby you have no idea what you are talking about. YOu are entitled to your opinion but it is wrong. Sorry, you are wrong... Hard to accept I know but you are wrong...I am sure you don't like hearing it but you are wrong..sorry.

Hmm, for the raw unedited copies of the same stuff SoBe is selling including some non-$5 scenes I believe www.screwcontent.com has it, with legal licenses, no copyrighted music, and full knowledge and permission from AMA. Call and ask for Steve for deals, ignore pricing on the site.

Figured I'd toss that in there since some of you seem to be (for some reason, at this point) contemplating buying from him. :winkwink:

- Titus

Erik, what is the answer on the music?

Webby that bogus contract is void as he did not pay the money agreed on. That is the only scribble of a contract he has. There is nothing else. And look at that , its dated June 5th. Ask him to produce the type of contract I gave Scotty at Screw content. He cant because there isnt any.
He is not even living up to that bogus contract he has now, So now it is void. I will have legal issues with anyone from this day on that buys my content from SOBE.
He keeps mentioning for me to be a partner with him even today.

Hey Webby, ICQ me so we can chat

Hi DRavyk,

AS I stated previously sobegirl does not have copywrite music in any videos. Being that it is "amateur style" you may find a radio or TV on once in a while but if you look at precident cases such as the one with Westland sites the kind of audio in SobEGirl is not illegal.

But as always, If any customer of mine finds a set that they dont like for one reason or another simply let me know and I will give you another one of your choice. If you want your money back for that set I will refund your money.

AFter 3 years of selling content I know of only one guy that told me he wanted to chage out a set becuase of something that botherd him.


So SoBeGirl content does not have any copywrite musit end of story. Period. Another rumor started and stopped right here with the facts....

I would like to thank those of you that supported SoBeGirl during this failed libel and slander attempt by one of my corrupt competitors. I say that we should all compete on service , quality and price. This is what is best for webmasters in the end. And this is what SoBeGirl is all about.

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fucking soap opera replies Erik

good luck! :1orglaugh

Grow a nutsack and take that fucker down. Don't be such a wuss. Why you would 'settle' and allow that assbandit to continue lying, decieving, and ripping off people is beyond me.

Listen up Ama and Sobe.

Stop playing games. Which specific sets that SoBe sells, is at issue here ? Be SPECIFIC.

Okay lets go hypothetical...

Sobe...Say you just signed this contract on the 4th giving you 100% rights to do what the fuck you want with ama's content...

Before the 4th...What legal contracts did you have to sell the content? Anything you sold before the 4th would not be able to use the contract you got on the 4th.

Jon

Yes, thankyou Jon.. someone does have sense here

Shh...they'll kick me out of GFY if they notice

Jon

I see something like that big block of text and I immediately skip to the pretty pictures.

Yea...pictures help guide me thru GFY as well...Without the pictures I would be helpless...

Post more pictures everyone...Helps people like us!

Jon

Reading sucks!

This is how they have to do word documents if they want me to read them:

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SoBeGirl Video:

Na.. I don't mind being wrong - I ain't into dick size ego trips :glugglug Also I am not taking sides in some trashing exercise. It is also not a matter of "my opinion" - that don't matter a shit. What matters are the facts.

What I am saying is... there is more than room for concern when you "appear" to be selling content with no written terms of resale. You may have this, but you have said you don't then use some scrap fax to "apparently" say there is...

Hell.. I've been buying and selling content for about 30+ years and I get this bad aura when you say things which often seem to be just avoidance.

I got nothing against you or SobeGirl (in fact the opposite!) and I have no axe to grind. This is just common sense "covering your ass" stuff.

Erik,

I think that you need to give an explanation to everybody that
has purchased your 200 video deal.
I just spoke to Joe and he was telling me that anybody that has bought sets from #100 and up which are listed on your site btw, needs to contact him since those are his.

I'm guessing that they would want their money back.

:1orglaugh Thats funny.. didn't know that.

Yeah I guess it pretty much destroys that analogy :)

hes hiding again under his rock

SoBe, you won an award! You have been voted by your peers to be GFY's most enethical member. Please visit the awards thread (see sig) now and make your acceptance speech!

:GFYBand

Unethical for what? SoBeGirl bought content for resale, has the docs to prove it, paid for it. AMA was so happy he sold me more. I sold more of it. I own it now.

I paid for it. I have contracts, reciepts and and everthing I need to resell it. Hell, maybe I will sell all my sets for 2.50 cents now. What do you think?

Start antoher new trend. Joe keeps on ranting and raving. The content is mine. I bought it and paid for it. To own it. I own it. At this point it is as much mine as it is his.I can do as I wish with it .I paid for it. I have resale rights. He can cry all he wants. I have my supporters. I am in the clear on this. SoBeGirl has always been offering webmasters great deals.

It comes to no ones surprise that I sell content inexpensivly. Mr Joe does not have shit and I have all the documents I need. Face it. This case is closed and I can sell any content on SoBeGirl for any price i want.

Webmasters hit me up if you want a really great deal on some legal content. I will even give you model release forms and photo IDs now.

SOBE selling illegally. Webmasters will be drawn into court from this day foward if they buy my scenes for under $40 unless you make a deeal with me.. Ask SOBE to show proof of resale rights webmasters. He cant show it. He can only provide a piece of scribble that he hasnt even made good on that. And that is dated June 5th.. So webmasters do not buy my scenes from him. Buy his scenes all you want. My scenes are # S100 and above in the straight content section. Buy his scenes below S100 all fucking day.
Anyone who doesnt have my license for those scenes will deal with repercussions.
He does not have right to sell at those prices. .

SOBE your fucking time will come for ripping me off. I swear by all that is Holy.

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No webmasters are going to court. You won't sue me because you will loose. I have rights to sell. I have invoices, I have posts you have made here that say I can sell. I own the content. I can sell it for whatever I want. And today that price is $2.50 cents.

I don't need a piece of paper that says I have re-sale rights. I have sale rights. I bought the content. I own it. I sell it. I don't resell it.

Take your chances webmasters. He does not own that content. Look at the releases. They all have MY company name on it. I produced it, not him. I have paperwork signed by models on my company 2257s, does he. I dont think so.
Ask him for proof of rersale rights. He doesnt have that either. My content, my paperwork, my scenes

SoBeGirl does not like documentation.

Documentation is bad :1orglaugh

When you are selling someone else's product even if you bought it, it is called reselling.