Lemme get this streight (SE Stuff) - GoFuckYourself.com

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 11:52 AM

K - so I've been out of the SE worlk for a few years and now I see a need to build up some fresh traffic for a new project... and I go to reading up on the subject.

This about right?

1. You can't do Yahoo anymore - unless you want to pay them $600 to even fucking LOOK at the site.

2. Google, AOL, DirectHit, HitBot, Lycos, and Nutscrape still have submit areas - but you really have to be in DMOZ to get listed first because of link popularity - then they pick you up automatically making the manual submit areas pretty much useless.

5. DMOZ is seventeen months behind on average - so you can't get listed there, can't get listed on the aforementioned SE's and thus... can't get traffic.

4. Everyone's TOS hates people who use autosubmitters so you have to do it manually (not that that is a big deal - just kind-of a pain).

5. SE spammers get automatically listed/updated/toplisted magically in all SE's and the honest webmasters get put on result page 1,751 near the bottom.

That about right? Or am I missing something. Just want to know what I am getting in to before I waste my time...

Anyone have anything encouraging to say that will cheer me up and give me hope?

detoxed · 06-05-2003, 11:55 AM

You need to know one word:

Google

gruffy · 06-05-2003, 11:57 AM

The "trick" is to build real sites with real content. I still can't believe how many "webmasters" who bitch about search engines & directory inclusion can't grasp this rather primitive idea.

SilverTab · 06-05-2003, 11:57 AM

Damn...I tought it was a thread about Straight edge dumbass...
oh well

Marc P · 06-05-2003, 11:57 AM

You don't need to be in DMOZ or in Yahoo to get listed in Google (but it helps), but the rest of what you said is somewhat true, especially the backlog at DMOZ.

amph · 06-05-2003, 11:58 AM

Im selling two PR5 domains link them to the sites u need to feed and put targeted keywords on the pages and ur set

gruffy · 06-05-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc P
You don't need to be in DMOZ or in Yahoo to get listed in Google (but it helps), but the rest of what you said is somewhat true, especially the backlog at DMOZ.

My last submission went through in 2 weeks. The "editor" for that category just happens to own the program I was pushing on the site. Surprise surprise, all of the dozen other sites in the category also happen to push his site.

DMOZ is 10 times the joke it was last year. Hope google drops it and starts their own.

Jon · 06-05-2003, 12:06 PM

There are 15 top US engines and a few top euro engines to hit. the ODP (DMOZ) can help you with rankings on other engines, but you can still achieve them without being listed there. Also, always hand submit. It's worth the 5 minute investment. If you don't want to optimize your site and go through all of this "hassle" then you can always go for pay-per-click and see results immediately. Stop complaining

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gruffy
The "trick" is to build real sites with real content. I still can't believe how many "webmasters" who bitch about search engines & directory inclusion can't grasp this rather primitive idea.

didn't ask for a "trick", gruffy - and all my sites are real and have real content

amph - were they adult related sites when they got their listing rank? Hit me on ICQ, 196766474

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gruffy

The "editor" for that category just happens to own the program I was pushing on the site. Surprise surprise, all of the dozen other sites in the category also happen to push his site.

typical

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
There are 15 top US engines and a few top euro engines to hit. the ODP (DMOZ) can help you with rankings on other engines, but you can still achieve them without being listed there. Also, always hand submit. It's worth the 5 minute investment. If you don't want to optimize your site and go through all of this "hassle" then you can always go for pay-per-click and see results immediately. Stop complaining

thanks

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amph
Im selling two PR5 domains link them to the sites u need to feed and put targeted keywords on the pages and ur set

Shit - nevermind my last post to you amph - I didn't even check your sig... sorry.
I will hit you up on ICQ

CDSmith · 06-05-2003, 12:12 PM

Yup, you pretty much have it exactly right.

I stopped wasting my time with DMOZ a long time ago. You find a category that fits your site, and chances are they don't have anyone looking after it (as in unmoderated). Don't bother trying to apply as a moderator, you'll never get a reply from anyone. Whomever is running the show there needs a bitchslap.

funkmaster · 06-05-2003, 12:14 PM

1. You can't do Yahoo anymore - unless you want to pay them $600 to even fucking LOOK at the site.

bullshit

2. Google, AOL, DirectHit, HitBot, Lycos, and Nutscrape still have submit areas - but you really have to be in DMOZ to get listed first because of link popularity - then they pick you up automatically making the manual submit areas pretty much useless.

bullshit

5. DMOZ is seventeen months behind on average - so you can't get listed there, can't get listed on the aforementioned SE's and thus... can't get traffic.

bullshit

4. Everyone's TOS hates people who use autosubmitters so you have to do it manually (not that that is a big deal - just kind-of a pain).

right

5. SE spammers get automatically listed/updated/toplisted magically in all SE's and the honest webmasters get put on result page 1,751 near the bottom.

right

funkmaster · 06-05-2003, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
There are 15 top US engines and a few top euro engines to hit.

I know 2 US engines, what are the other 13 ??

gruffy · 06-05-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scarab
didn't ask for a "trick", gruffy - and all my sites are real and have real content

Are they like the one in your sig?

I'll tell you right now all engines are tweaked enough now to basically exclude "traffic generation" sites or rank them into obscurity.

Hence the constant newbie cloaking and spamming from adult webmasters to get their garbage to the top of the ranks.

This in turns, leads to more strict algo's to punish more adult sites and the cycle continues.

You think DMOZ will lists these sites? good luck, hope you know the associated "editor" and crooked-as-fuck meta editor for the category.

Scarab · 06-05-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gruffy

Are they like the one in your sig?

I'll tell you right now all engines are tweaked enough now to basically exclude "traffic generation" sites or rank them into obscurity.

Hence the constant newbie cloaking and spamming from adult webmasters to get their garbage to the top of the ranks.

This in turns, leads to more strict algo's to punish more adult sites and the cycle continues.

You think DMOZ will lists these sites? good luck, hope you know the associated "editor" and crooked-as-fuck meta editor for the category.

The Scarab TGP? I forgot that thing was still in my sig... but I see your confusion now. My sites do NOT look like this.

That thing hasn't made me a penny from day one. No - I designed that POS about two years ago so I would have a TGP site to bounce reverse traffic off of. Haven't changed it since.

Here is one http://www.mynudewebpage.com

06-05-2003, 11:52 AM	#1
Scarab Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 332	Lemme get this streight (SE Stuff) K - so I've been out of the SE worlk for a few years and now I see a need to build up some fresh traffic for a new project... and I go to reading up on the subject. This about right? 1. You can't do Yahoo anymore - unless you want to pay them $600 to even fucking LOOK at the site. 2. Google, AOL, DirectHit, HitBot, Lycos, and Nutscrape still have submit areas - but you really have to be in DMOZ to get listed first because of link popularity - then they pick you up automatically making the manual submit areas pretty much useless. 5. DMOZ is seventeen months behind on average - so you can't get listed there, can't get listed on the aforementioned SE's and thus... can't get traffic. 4. Everyone's TOS hates people who use autosubmitters so you have to do it manually (not that that is a big deal - just kind-of a pain). 5. SE spammers get automatically listed/updated/toplisted magically in all SE's and the honest webmasters get put on result page 1,751 near the bottom. That about right? Or am I missing something. Just want to know what I am getting in to before I waste my time... Anyone have anything encouraging to say that will cheer me up and give me hope? __________________ Fuckit - why am I in here and not working?

06-05-2003, 11:57 AM	#4
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06-05-2003, 11:58 AM	#6
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06-05-2003, 12:06 PM	#8
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	There are 15 top US engines and a few top euro engines to hit. the ODP (DMOZ) can help you with rankings on other engines, but you can still achieve them without being listed there. Also, always hand submit. It's worth the 5 minute investment. If you don't want to optimize your site and go through all of this "hassle" then you can always go for pay-per-click and see results immediately. Stop complaining __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

06-05-2003, 12:12 PM	#13
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06-05-2003, 11:55 AM	#2
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	You need to know one word: Google

06-05-2003, 11:57 AM	#3
gruffy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canuckastan Posts: 776	The "trick" is to build real sites with real content. I still can't believe how many "webmasters" who bitch about search engines & directory inclusion can't grasp this rather primitive idea.

06-05-2003, 11:57 AM	#5
Marc P Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 154	You don't need to be in DMOZ or in Yahoo to get listed in Google (but it helps), but the rest of what you said is somewhat true, especially the backlog at DMOZ.

06-05-2003, 12:14 PM	#14
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	1. You can't do Yahoo anymore - unless you want to pay them $600 to even fucking LOOK at the site. <b>bullshit</b> 2. Google, AOL, DirectHit, HitBot, Lycos, and Nutscrape still have submit areas - but you really have to be in DMOZ to get listed first because of link popularity - then they pick you up automatically making the manual submit areas pretty much useless. <b>bullshit</b> 5. DMOZ is seventeen months behind on average - so you can't get listed there, can't get listed on the aforementioned SE's and thus... can't get traffic. <b>bullshit</b> 4. Everyone's TOS hates people who use autosubmitters so you have to do it manually (not that that is a big deal - just kind-of a pain). <b>right</b> 5. SE spammers get automatically listed/updated/toplisted magically in all SE's and the honest webmasters get put on result page 1,751 near the bottom. <b>right</b>