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TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 05:29 PM

My best ideas never leave the drawing table. I'm really at a loss. I'd rather stay in control of these ideas and cash in on them myself -- but I realize that I can't hire all the employees necessary to get these ideas completed -- because I don't have enough cash to gamble... If I present these concepts to someone with money and a brain -- chances are they will try to walk off with the idea once they have my strategic plans -- and then they don't need me. But I get these ideas on a regular basis -- we're talking hotmail type ideas... big stuff that I could code on my own -- but without all the flashy touches that these ideas really need...

If you can offer advice or would be interested in hiring me to design web software ideas for you -- let me know. I get requests regularily now for specialized stats and traffic systems also -- but it's largely a waste of time to quote someone $50,000 for some custom jobby that won't be cost effective to just them -- when in fact these are stats/traffic management systems that could be used by lots of companies. I'm not talking AdultCentro type stuff -- I'm talking about specialized solutions to specific problems -- on a domain by domain basis...

Completely independent projects with umbrellas of webmasters under each one of them... all dripping profits.

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 05:35 PM

It's only a matter of time man... Somebody make these ideas!

There are only a few people that I would trust with these ideas anyway based on past success building large web-software systems... Lensman, Keev, LightningFree... I don't want to go looking for venture capital either -- I'm not an accountant... I come up with ideas for interactive websites that people will use for profit sharing... ideas that can absorb 1,000,000 newbs.

Smegma · 06-02-2003, 05:38 PM

Check out e-lance.

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 05:46 PM

While I was at LikeWhoa I met a real software designer... When I was at IBM I never really met the designers -- the guys that came up with the concepts. Most of my work involved fixing the errors and getting the code compiled, tested and sent off to packaging...

The ideas are finished in the beginning. Before anyone gets paid, the designer gets paid -- unless the designer is cut in for a % of the profits... A little of both would be nice -- for security, plus lots of these scripts have an endless about of cool features that can be added -- and endless issues will come up with how to absorb capacity and keep webmasters happy and content... When I got to LikeWhoa I finally saw how large scale coding projects got executed, and while there I met Dr. Zero a software designer there from Microsoft... I saw how these things get finished. I can't spit out all this code -- that's not my demeanor -- I need to lay this shit down in pencil -- with drawings, graphs, flow-charts, pseudo-code -- shit like that... then let the geeks working for pizza wrastle with the compiler...

See what I'm talking about? Is this industry just too infantine to fund these kind of ideas?

alias · 06-02-2003, 05:48 PM

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Mutt · 06-02-2003, 05:53 PM

yeah i think this industry doesn't work the way you hope it would. nobody will pay you for ideas, if u want them to come to fruition you would have to work for a company and sell them on your idea or best option is to find a hungry and good programmer to partner with you.

maxjohan · 06-02-2003, 05:54 PM

If I only had

BJ · 06-02-2003, 05:54 PM

yo icq me

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
yo icq me

I need your ICQ # -- my list got wiped out.

elric · 06-02-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
While I was at LikeWhoa I met a real software designer... When I was at IBM I never really met the designers -- the guys that came up with the concepts. Most of my work involved fixing the errors and getting the code compiled, tested and sent off to packaging...

The ideas are finished in the beginning. Before anyone gets paid, the designer gets paid -- unless the designer is cut in for a % of the profits... A little of both would be nice -- for security, plus lots of these scripts have an endless about of cool features that can be added -- and endless issues will come up with how to absorb capacity and keep webmasters happy and content... When I got to LikeWhoa I finally saw how large scale coding projects got executed, and while there I met Dr. Zero a software designer there from Microsoft... I saw how these things get finished. I can't spit out all this code -- that's not my demeanor -- I need to lay this shit down in pencil -- with drawings, graphs, flow-charts, pseudo-code -- shit like that... then let the geeks working for pizza wrastle with the compiler...

See what I'm talking about? Is this industry just too infantine to fund these kind of ideas?

You were at LikeWhoa, eh? So what's the story on the VP of Human Resources?

She nice. She very very nice.

BJ · 06-02-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

I need your ICQ # -- my list got wiped out.

144949511

I tried icq'ing you... I must be blocked

davvve · 06-02-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

If you can offer advice or would be interested in hiring me to design web software ideas for you -- let me know. I get requests regularily now for specialized stats and traffic systems also -- but it's largely a waste of time to quote someone $50,000 for some custom jobby that won't be cost effective to just them -- when in fact these are stats/traffic management systems that could be used by lots of companies.

You get requests from companies, willing to pay $50,000 for an advanced traffic/stats system? What do you with these requests? Elaborate please

FreeHugeMovies · 06-02-2003, 07:16 PM

LOL, I think Easton had a few extra grand he was looking to invest!

Backov · 06-02-2003, 07:41 PM

I think you have some good ideas Pete, but I see a problem..

It's your board persona. I have no idea if you're actually like that or not, but you come off as a huge flake, and no serious player that knows anything about this board will want to get involved in a partnership with you.

That said, I hear these type of deals do go down a fair bit. Perhaps the familia can help you find a backer.

Cheers,
Backov

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by elric

You were at LikeWhoa, eh? So what's the story on the VP of Human Resources?

She nice. She very very nice.

The only girls that were there were married.

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by davvve

You get requests from companies, willing to pay $50,000 for an advanced traffic/stats system? What do you with these requests? Elaborate please

I haven't quoted anyone 50K yet -- what I'm saying is that I get requests for projects... If I were to code a scaled-down version they could afford I won't be satisfied -- no point in doing something half-ass if it's an A+ idea -- and if I get multiple code project requests (for a quote) from webmasters for example: a traffic brokering engine to set up your own click program or your own intelligently managed buys and sells -- chances are there needs to be a free traffic brokering engine out on the market with the paysite owner as the target market... If such a thing existed already -- I wouldn't have people offering me money to code it. BUT, No point in me reinventing the wheel over and over again for every webmaster that wants this script -- customizing it over and over again -- when you could accommodate everyone with the same script... That's just one example. If I'm going to do a script the way that it *should be* done -- most mid-range webmasters will not be able to afford it if it is done correctly -- the development time just does not justify the expense for one entity.

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Backov
I think you have some good ideas Pete, but I see a problem..

It's your board persona. I have no idea if you're actually like that or not, but you come off as a huge flake, and no serious player that knows anything about this board will want to get involved in a partnership with you.

That said, I hear these type of deals do go down a fair bit. Perhaps the familia can help you find a backer.

Cheers,
Backov

I know the serious players on this board already, so what's the problem?

Backov · 06-02-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

I know the serious players on this board already, so what's the problem?

You tell me - you know them, why aren't they doing this with you?

hyper · 06-02-2003, 08:51 PM

the best bet is to work with local talent,
usually you can find some great student programmers at the local university, that are hard up for cash

a confidentiality agreement is a must,
you wont want to develop something then have it stolen from you

just some thoughts

TheFLY · 06-02-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Backov

You tell me - you know them, why aren't they doing this with you?

I'm just feeling out the role of the software designer... #1 I'm not in a hurry on this -- I have several of my own scripts in development. #2 I'm curious about this aspect of software engineering -- and I'm inviting discussion on the subject. The elance comment looks interesting -- I'll look into it. You don't hear about software designers very often... That's because most coding projects solve existing problems. A business has a problem -- they ask coders for a quote -- there's no problem if somebody steals the idea. Really the money is born in the idea -- not so much in the tedium of the execution. Although process can still breed new ideas -- the most obvious features can be detected will in advance while fleshing out the functionality.

You can't clearly see an idea to fruition if you don't understand the technology and its limits -- development time, computer resources, etc. The same goes in reverse -- many programmers are not very creative.

Usually there is a client with a problem and then they approach the programmer... but usually these are not the most successful projects -- the most successful projects find a solution to a problem that does not yet exist (example: cell phone) -- offering something to people that they never knew that they needed... Using this logic you are always first to market.

Examples: java, hotmail, ICQ, napster... Nobody said -- "hey I need to run this application in the surfer's browser and I'll pay you $1,000,000 to code a secure, platform independent applet interface that will be supported by Netscape and MSIE..."

Somebody had a vision. In the software world -- that vision is much clearer when the person with the idea has an understanding of all aspects of the project, the target market and the technology.

gruffy · 06-02-2003, 09:09 PM

What do you think of my plan?

lil2rich4u2 · 06-02-2003, 09:21 PM

TheFly, i dont know if you like me or want to here my opinion, but your gonna anyway, lol ....

you have a logical question, and it seems like you are hungry enough to make it happen. Sounds like you need some financial backing to make it work on an affordable level.

At the same time your afraid to spill your idea and chance losing it to your "money guy" (or con artist). Isnt that what contracts are made for? Put it in paper! If its that big of a job, and the buyer is interested, he wont mind having it signed and notorized for legality.

Lastly, although this board is huge, i think your in the wrong place for this type of stuff. Most WM's on here are all BS and talk. Your not going to find any good amount of "big players" posting on a msg board regularly, just my 2 cents ofcourse.

My only advice is that you dont let go of it. Too many people have incredible ideas and dont make it a reality. Beg, borrow, and steal ... make it work man.

Watch the movie "Casino" for a bit of a push, lol

But all seriousness, try to bring this up at the next expo .... i bet youll find alot more big players down there.

Good luck man.

Rich · 06-02-2003, 09:31 PM

hahaha, "while I was at like whoa". How did that go for you?

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06-02-2003, 05:29 PM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I have large scale web software/cgi ideas that need financing and that need coding... My best ideas never leave the drawing table. I'm really at a loss. I'd rather stay in control of these ideas and cash in on them myself -- but I realize that I can't hire all the employees necessary to get these ideas completed -- because I don't have enough cash to gamble... If I present these concepts to someone with money and a brain -- chances are they will try to walk off with the idea once they have my strategic plans -- and then they don't need me. But I get these ideas on a regular basis -- we're talking hotmail type ideas... big stuff that I could code on my own -- but without all the flashy touches that these ideas really need... If you can offer advice or would be interested in hiring me to design web software ideas for you -- let me know. I get requests regularily now for specialized stats and traffic systems also -- but it's largely a waste of time to quote someone $50,000 for some custom jobby that won't be cost effective to just them -- when in fact these are stats/traffic management systems that could be used by lots of companies. I'm not talking AdultCentro type stuff -- I'm talking about specialized solutions to specific problems -- on a domain by domain basis... Completely independent projects with umbrellas of webmasters under each one of them... all dripping profits.

06-02-2003, 05:35 PM	#2
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	It's only a matter of time man... Somebody make these ideas! There are only a few people that I would trust with these ideas anyway based on past success building large web-software systems... Lensman, Keev, LightningFree... I don't want to go looking for venture capital either -- I'm not an accountant... I come up with ideas for interactive websites that people will use for profit sharing... ideas that can absorb 1,000,000 newbs.

06-02-2003, 05:46 PM	#4
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	While I was at LikeWhoa I met a real software designer... When I was at IBM I never really met the designers -- the guys that came up with the concepts. Most of my work involved fixing the errors and getting the code compiled, tested and sent off to packaging... The ideas are finished in the beginning. Before anyone gets paid, the designer gets paid -- unless the designer is cut in for a % of the profits... A little of both would be nice -- for security, plus lots of these scripts have an endless about of cool features that can be added -- and endless issues will come up with how to absorb capacity and keep webmasters happy and content... When I got to LikeWhoa I finally saw how large scale coding projects got executed, and while there I met Dr. Zero a software designer there from Microsoft... I saw how these things get finished. I can't spit out all this code -- that's not my demeanor -- I need to lay this shit down in pencil -- with drawings, graphs, flow-charts, pseudo-code -- shit like that... then let the geeks working for pizza wrastle with the compiler... See what I'm talking about? Is this industry just too infantine to fund these kind of ideas?

06-02-2003, 05:54 PM	#8
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	yo icq me

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hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	the best bet is to work with local talent, usually you can find some great student programmers at the local university, that are hard up for cash a confidentiality agreement is a must, you wont want to develop something then have it stolen from you just some thoughts __________________

06-02-2003, 09:09 PM	#21
gruffy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canuckastan Posts: 776	What do you think of my plan?

06-02-2003, 09:21 PM	#22
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	TheFly, i dont know if you like me or want to here my opinion, but your gonna anyway, lol .... you have a logical question, and it seems like you are hungry enough to make it happen. Sounds like you need some financial backing to make it work on an affordable level. At the same time your afraid to spill your idea and chance losing it to your "money guy" (or con artist). Isnt that what contracts are made for? Put it in paper! If its that big of a job, and the buyer is interested, he wont mind having it signed and notorized for legality. Lastly, although this board is huge, i think your in the wrong place for this type of stuff. Most WM's on here are all BS and talk. Your not going to find any good amount of "big players" posting on a msg board regularly, just my 2 cents ofcourse. My only advice is that you dont let go of it. Too many people have incredible ideas and dont make it a reality. Beg, borrow, and steal ... make it work man. Watch the movie "Casino" for a bit of a push, lol But all seriousness, try to bring this up at the next expo .... i bet youll find alot more big players down there. Good luck man. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-02-2003, 09:31 PM	#23
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	hahaha, "while I was at like whoa". How did that go for you?