Who's GFY's most unethical member? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Groove · 06-03-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
This is beyond stupid.

Serge should be on a list but not with those idiots.

He nominated himself, LOL

But I am open to suggestions for a replacement nominee.

Surely you have a suggestion or two KK?

Kimmykim · 06-03-2003, 10:37 PM

You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right.

Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.

Groove · 06-03-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right.

More often than not, the terms "ethics" and "morals" can be used synonymously. For example look at this dictionary definition:

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eth?ics

Pronunciation: (eth'iks), [key]
?n.pl.
1. (used with a sing. or pl. v.) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. (usually used with a sing. v.) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions. Cf. axiological ethics, deontological ethics.

I agree that I haven't defined what system of ethical/moral principles should govern the Sobe Awards, but it would be impossible to do so succinctly. And besides, I would hate to see any truly worthy candidates slip through the cracks on the basis of a semantic technicality. I did however provide some examples of unethical people, "thieves, rapists, spammers and con-artists". All of the short-listed nominees appear to fit one or more of these categories

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Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.

Really?

Kimmykim · 06-03-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Groove

Really?

Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

Morals are what you think OF things, ethics are the way you going about DOING things.

For instance, you are an attorney -- a defense attorney to be specific.

You are selected by your office to defend someone who bombed an abortion clinic allegedly.

You don't believe in abortion and you think the guy is guilty.

This is morals.

You go before the jury etc and you present them with reasonable doubt, your client is gets a not guilty verdict because you've done the best job you could for your client.

This is ethics.

Groove · 06-03-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

Then why does the very first definition in the dictionary say:

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a system of moral principles

Is the dictionary wrong?

baddog · 06-03-2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

Morals are what you think OF things, ethics are the way you going about DOING things.

For instance, you are an attorney -- a defense attorney to be specific.

You are selected by your office to defend someone who bombed an abortion clinic allegedly.

You don't believe in abortion and you think the guy is guilty.

This is morals.

Sorry KK, I think your example is really bad here, and I was really expecting you to come up with a convincing counter-point. I mean, there are so many other factors involved in your scenario.

An attorney, especially a defense attorney, has to put aside moral values and ethics before even getting into the profession. There are legal and professional considerations they need to worry about when being a defense attorney, and if you are going to let things like guilt get in the way of providing the best defense, then you should become a prosecuting attorney instead.

Someone that does not like blood does not enter employment as an emergency room nurse.

Dravyk · 06-04-2003, 12:12 AM

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No matter who wins, I'm sure his first name will be Steve

If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!

Groove · 06-04-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk

If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!

Sounds good

Please provide nick/s + details of his evil deeds.

Fletch XXX · 06-04-2003, 12:20 AM

most killers have the best ethics.

baddog · 06-04-2003, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk

If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!

good call

Dravyk · 06-04-2003, 12:23 AM

BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe

Groove, here, this says it all ... actually that's only about two-thirds of it but it will do. http://galleryspots.com/cheats/steve/stevegoldman.htm

Gutterboy · 06-04-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
Sorry KK, I think your example is really bad here, and I was really expecting you to come up with a convincing counter-point. I mean, there are so many other factors involved in your scenario.

An attorney, especially a defense attorney, has to put aside moral values and ethics before even getting into the profession. There are legal and professional considerations they need to worry about when being a defense attorney, and if you are going to let things like guilt get in the way of providing the best defense, then you should become a prosecuting attorney instead.

You're just equivocating morals and ethics all over again. The Lawyer has morals, but the "legal and professional considerations" as you put it are his professional ethics.

Groove · 06-04-2003, 12:39 AM

WOW! Goldman's definitely a contender

My revised short list is:

lil2rich4u2 - for his shameless thieving.

SoBeGirl - for reneging on agreements and spamming.

SonOfRage - for being an unrepentant rapist.

Steve Goldman - for being a major scammer.

Other nominations are still welcome

quiet · 06-04-2003, 12:42 AM

*sigh*

Groove · 06-04-2003, 12:44 AM

Mmmm, possible problem...

Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?

baddog · 06-04-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Groove
Mmmm, possible problem...

Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?

well, the pattern is he scams, he gets caught, he retires forever, he returns under a different alias.

hard to say what stage he may be in right now. if he is not here now, he will be back.

baddog · 06-04-2003, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy

You're just equivocating morals and ethics all over again. The Lawyer has morals, but the "legal and professional considerations" as you put it are his professional ethics.

Are ethics responsibilities? A lawyer has legal and professional duties, ethics be damned

baddog · 06-04-2003, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk
BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe

I am sure if we work at it, we can find something to disagree on . . . . how about this: Ginger or Mary Ann?

Dravyk · 06-04-2003, 02:51 AM

LOL, BD!!!

No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!!

You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please!

baddog · 06-04-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk
LOL, BD!!!

No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!!

You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please!

Mary Ann all the way as you can read here (second to the last question)

Dravyk · 06-04-2003, 03:03 AM

Nice interview there, PD!

While we're trading ... here's a nice interview they did on my partner, Electra.

They didn't ask her the same question though.

baddog · 06-04-2003, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by Dravyk
Nice interview there, PD!

PD? wrong dog

and yeah, I caught her interview when it came out.

Groove · 06-04-2003, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
well, the pattern is he scams, he gets caught, he retires forever, he returns under a different alias.

hard to say what stage he may be in right now. if he is not here now, he will be back.

I suppose we could make the Sobes open to both current and former GFY members. But this could disadvantage some of our current members. I'd hate to see a situation where Sobe or lil2rich4u2 didn't even receive a nomination! For example, what about this sasush guy, does he deserve a nomination too? Maybe I should make it five nominees with no more than two former members? That way at least the current delinquents will be in the majority

Groove · 06-04-2003, 08:07 AM

*bump* Any more nominations?

SoBeGirl Video · 06-05-2003, 09:25 AM

No, the SoBe Award should be for current members only. What is this a frikin museum? Current members only....

Groove · 06-05-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
No, the SoBe Award should be for current members only. What is this a frikin museum? Current members only....

I'm inclined to agree with you Sobe. But that would leave us short one nominee.

If we have:

1) lil2rich4u2
2) SoBeGirl
3) SonOfRage
4) ????

Who should be our fourth nominee?

SureFire · 06-05-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by Groove

I'm inclined to agree with you Sobe. But that would leave us short one nominee.

If we have:

1) lil2rich4u2
2) SoBeGirl
3) SonOfRage
4) ????

Who should be our fourth nominee?

So we are talking about the present, how about charly?

BTW, SonOFRage should be number one.

Groove · 06-05-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by SureFire
So we are talking about the present, how about charly?

Charly might be an asshole, but is he sufficiently unethical?

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Originally posted by SureFire

BTW, SonOFRage should be number one.

They're listed alphabetically.

The final order, and the winner, will be determined by a poll.

Groove · 06-06-2003, 01:30 AM

OK, I nominate the(G)thang for spamming porn to children.

Anyone got any better nominations?

SoBeGirl Video · 06-06-2003, 07:51 PM

Did I win yet?

JFPdude · 06-06-2003, 07:53 PM

Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...

Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.

Alex From San Diego · 06-06-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude
Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...

Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.

Congrats Nick...you always wanted to be a winner....

MetaMan · 06-06-2003, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego

Congrats Nick...you always wanted to be a winner....

lol ppl deserve it for hosting with a company called likewhoah,
imma start a program called super phat raqs

Groove · 06-06-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude
Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...

Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.

I agree that Tukman is a worthy candidate

So the short-listed nominees are:

lil2rich4u2
SoBeGirl
SonOfRage
Tukhman

Nominations are now CLOSED.

A poll will commence shortly.

SoBeGirl Video · 06-06-2003, 09:24 PM

Anyone want to buy www.realitybasedreality.com

I have it for sale for 1000 dollars.

Groove · 06-06-2003, 10:32 PM

The poll can be found here:

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=140690

Polling will last for just 48-hours.

AM Jeff · 06-09-2003, 08:23 AM

Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
Which is still denies..lolol

Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.

Groove · 06-09-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by AM Jeff
Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
Which is still denies..lolol

Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.

Sorry, nominations are closed...

Polling is closed...

And SoBeGirl is the winner...

See sig:

LoveMatch · 06-10-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by AM Jeff
Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
Which is still denies..lolol

Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.

06-04-2003, 12:20 AM	#109
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	most killers have the best ethics. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-04-2003, 12:23 AM	#111
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe Groove, here, this says it all ... actually that's only about two-thirds of it but it will do. http://galleryspots.com/cheats/steve/stevegoldman.htm __________________ All Of 'Em

06-04-2003, 02:51 AM	#119
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	LOL, BD!!! No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!! You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please! __________________ All Of 'Em

06-04-2003, 03:03 AM	#121
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	Nice interview there, PD! While we're trading ... here's a nice interview they did on my partner, Electra. They didn't ask her the same question though. __________________ All Of 'Em

06-03-2003, 10:37 PM	#102
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right. Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.

06-04-2003, 12:39 AM	#113
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	WOW! Goldman's definitely a contender My revised short list is: lil2rich4u2 - for his shameless thieving. SoBeGirl - for reneging on agreements and spamming. SonOfRage - for being an unrepentant rapist. Steve Goldman - for being a major scammer. Other nominations are still welcome

06-04-2003, 12:42 AM	#114
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	sigh

06-04-2003, 12:44 AM	#115
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	Mmmm, possible problem... Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?

06-04-2003, 08:07 AM	#124
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	bump Any more nominations?

06-05-2003, 09:25 AM	#125
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	No, the SoBe Award should be for current members only. What is this a frikin museum? Current members only....

06-06-2003, 01:30 AM	#129
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	OK, I nominate the(G)thang for spamming porn to children. Anyone got any better nominations?

06-06-2003, 07:51 PM	#130
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Did I win yet?

06-06-2003, 07:53 PM	#131
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ... Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business. If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake. You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.

06-06-2003, 09:24 PM	#135
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Anyone want to buy www.realitybasedreality.com I have it for sale for 1000 dollars.

06-06-2003, 10:32 PM	#136
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	The poll can be found here: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=140690 Polling will last for just 48-hours.

06-09-2003, 08:23 AM	#137
AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him. Which is still denies..lolol Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here. But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.