I say, BAN ALL THE TWINK SITES!!!

My hamster was killed by a visicious twink when I wuz just a kid.

When I go to sleep at night, I have frightening visions of evil twinks flying near my ceiling, casting ominous shadows down upon my scared little head.

Good God! Save us from the Twinks!!!

If you support Twinks you are with the terrorists.

:BangBang:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

*shrug* Do you really expect VISA US processors, when anybody asks them about US companies, to say, 'Yup, it's okay, you can process outside VISA US for free'.

Come on. Don't be so naive.

Saying twink implies underage is complete and utter bullshit.
I could be called a twink too - and last time I checked my db is going way back to 1979

And I wonder why I keep seeing paysites that call hunks twinks
:1orglaugh

Click to get a clue for free:
http://www.gaywidewebmasters.com/gay...hat_mean.shtml

fag.

I love GFY. It points out all the stupid newbs when they reply to threads like this.

I think it's pretty safe to say - if you're using Globill and you are in the US, you're probably looking to get shafted by Visa. Visa WILL get around to fucking all of these non-compliant processors. AC Pay, Globill, any one of them that's processing for US clients but not settling in the US (Cross-border acquisition).

As for Naive.. Lol. Funny coming from some newb who has no idea who Kimmy is or what she knows.

For you people that aren't clued in: When KK speaks on issues regarding processing, regard that as the Word Of God.

Anyone who's met her knows this.

I was thinking of starting a twink site with Globill so I emailed them after reading this thread. Here is what I just got - looks like they object only to the word, not site type or layout..


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Hello,

Young teens, male or female, are acceptable as long as all models are at least 18 years of age or older.

However, the words "twink" and "lolita" have come to be associated too strongly with underaged content, and it is simply the use of those words that we are currently not allowing.


Please let me know if there is anything else I can assist you with.

Best Regards,
Cody Thomas
Technical Support Specialist
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I think all you ePassporte/Epoch-pushing-globill-haters are full of it. I stand by Globill as my preferred processor. They acted with class during the whole Visa thing and were one of the only processors not greedy enough to gouge webmasters with $750 fees (when the actual Visa fee is only $500).

If their region changes their rules at some point and they also have to charge fees, I am sure they will only pass on the exact fee and not pad it like the others are doing. That's my Word of God.

:2 cents:

What about Canadians using Globill?

Ele,

I just received the same EXACT response from GlobBill from the same EXACT person.

I approached them as the owner of Gay Wide Webmasters and not a client (which I am). You'd think they MIGHT have taken a slightly different approach to their response.

They evidentally do not know anything about the gay market.

I can't wait for their next response to my reply that asks.. "when did that happen?" LMAOPIP


Gary-Alan

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You're better off emailing Globill and getting the answer from the horse's mouth. Don't rely on these haters who pass themselves off as "authorities". Don't buy into all the hot air bullshit, man!

Remember the old saying: The louder they talk, the less they truly know.

:2 cents:

Ozzy is right, ask Globill. But remember:

There are no Canadian banks acquiring for high risk transactions.

Visa says that cross border acquisition is against the rules.

You do the math. ;>

WTF are you talking about? Have you seen KK bitch about Visa complying processors? Look what hapened to WSB, they were NOT compliant, and Visa put a stop them. So far she's 1 for 1, let's see how the other processors do...

WSB was having chargeback problems for years. They even sued Visa back in 2001 over that issue. They were in danger of being shut down by Visa back then over chargebacks. That was public knowledge that they even posted to their site. I was using them at the time and switched right away as that was writing on the wall for me.

Nobody knows for sure why WSB went down but the overwhelming evidence points to massive chargebacks more than anything else. It was really just a matter of time for them. They went the way of DMR...

So them not being compliant had nothing to do in this? yeah...

anyways that's beside the poin I made. You're talking outta your ass saying KK talks shit about all processors besides epoch.

Wow, nice to see my popularity isn't waning. Nicer still to see I haven't gone all sweetness and light, at least with those who lack the reading comprehension of a fourth grader.

Lest you doubters have nothing else to rant about in regards to my posts, I will spell this out for you. If you need to read slowly then please do.

1. This is not KK vs everyone but Epoch. As a matter of fact it's not KK vs anyone or even KK pushing ePassporte since I sure as hell didn't mention eP in this thread and only refer to it now since it's out there as a comment from someone else.

2. Anyone who's ever used the search feature here and wants to rag on me about #1 then use the fucking thing and see for yourself my position. Oh, don't bother, I'll make it more than clear.

I support Epoch, CCBill, IBill, Jettis all the time. Even when people scream about IBill lately, I've made mention of the fact that I think they are getting their shit together, I've had conversations with their management and I believe what I have been told. I am 100% positive that the other three are in compliance, properly registered, and doing what the fuck they should be for their own AND THEIR CLIENTS best interests.

3. While I may call Mitch Farber to task sometimes for spamming, you have NEVER ONCE see me say that he does not run his company in his AND HIS CLIENTS best interests.

4. While I personally like the guys from WSB and ACPAY, and have no problem talking to them at shows, on boards or in email, I did not support the angle they took with the regulations, nor do I support any other company that has attempted to subvert Visa's regulations, since I do not see that IN THEIR CLIENTS best interests. It's not my place to tell them how to do business but when people are willing to pay me handsomely to consult with them about their businesses, I have every right to ask questions of potential business partners, it is IN MY CLIENTS best interests.

I find it tremendously interesting that the people doing the smallest numbers in this business are the ones who have the biggest grudge against what I have to say.

Far be it from me to express my opinion on a messageboard called gofuckyourself and always be sweetness and light. If I were, then I wouldn't be doing my job evaluating the situations that exist for MY CLIENTS. I'd just tell them all to forget about the fee, go with someone that has the potential to cause them a tremendous liability in their business IF THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT according to Visa.

And far be it from me to let any of my detractors know that if Visa Compliance (and let's not forget that ONE GUY is handling BOTH the US and Intl compliance issues NOW) picks up the phone and calls a bank -- ANY PROCESSORS bank -- or sends ANY processor an email saying "kill this url, they don't get processing anymore" for whatever the reason, then you are fucked.

With any luck this will give some of you that don't get it and some of you that aren't who you claim to be some nice ammunition for at least a couple hours.

And for anyone who doubts me, I am NOT nice when it comes to hard business decisions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp this business, but it does take the willingness to listen and pay attention, something I learned the first year I was in this industry... something that's kept me in it and doing well for more years than most of you have been here.

[QUOTE]However, the words "twink" and "lolita" have come to be associated too strongly with underaged content, and it is simply the use of those words that we are currently not allowing./QUOTE]

Hi Gary. Yep, I agree, they're clueless. That's like banning "petite". Which if GloBill is stupid enough to do with "twink" then I guess they'll ban "petite" next.

I am really not sure about the GloBill supporters here. Personally, I would never let someone handle my money who was that clueless about the industry.

Interesting thread. I've had very few problems with processors so far (knock on lamatated plastic), but I have noticed a trend over the last 5 years.

Many former friends have become enemies. I don't know KimmyKim that well, but I always liked her, regardless of which company she worked for, so I'm not speaking of her. Many people whom I met through webmaster boards used to be kind and sweet and helpful to others and then in this last year have turned into complete assholes. I really wonder why this is.

:(

Fag Hag!

Write them back & tell them they're going to have to close down a great deal of their sites if they're truly going to enforce that "thought". Ask them if they have gone through every site they support with a fine tooth comb LOOKING for the word "TWINK". Be interesting to see how much money they are willing to lose to enforce this rule.

But then again, they'll probably loose a lot more when the nut cracker called Visa comes along.

What the hell is a twink?

Yum! You are so CUUUTE when you are mad!:winkwink:
As they say in the movies "Relax girlfriend..I'm on your side" (be is sweetness & light or darkness & thunder!). Just joshing with ya!:thumbsup

Smooth skinny guy! (and young..but LEGALLY young..like 18-21 area..in "my book" age goes up all the way to 30, and I add "nerdish looking" to my twink definition. But they MUST be anorexic to be a twink!! That is the #1 rule!
MUST BE VERY SKINNY!:(

Well done Elephant_Gut it took how long before someone got a response from Glo-Bill.

It's very simple and please read this and listen before you sound off.

It's their company thay can run it any way they wish.

They make the rules.

Read the rules and understand them.

If you do not like them move on.

They percieve the word to be associated with under age and I just searched on the word Twink and can see how they might have come to that conclusion.

Plus, yes it's gay and with all the gay rights in the world you cannot legislate for how people feel.

I am SPEWING with glo-bill
Ilast week i talked to one of their reps who assured me they COULD process for me (i still have the email)

so i set up my site and they approved it

I did another site using the EXACT SAME FORMAT the next day and submitted it
5 minutes later:

"sorry we are unable to approve your site due to its format "

(my content is on another server)

so i emaioed them and told them that this dude had told me they WOULD and that one site had already been approved.

5 minutes later - another email:

your other site's account has been closed

so I call em up on the phone and tell them all this and guess what they did?
HUNG UP on me.






:feels-hot :feels-hot :mad: :BangBang: :ak47: globill

Hostess makes them. They're alright, but I prefer cup cakes and ding dongs. :glugglug

Kitty, no sarcasm here at all: I am totally shocked! I've never heard of worse service than that from any processor. Yours is not the first I've heard of either. Amazing, they don't have "twink" in their dictionary and apparently "customer support" and "common sense" are missing either. That's OK, so apparently is the word "longevity".

Obviously GloBill is doing everything possible -- either purposely or by sheer stupidity -- to not take in new accounts and to also loose many existing ones.

... Funny, from the industry talk behind the scenes the last few months, one would think GB would need every possible account they could lay their hands on -- not the other way around.

The processing field keeps narrowing ...

do a search for globill. you'll see nothing but ranting and raving about how excellent and top notch their customer support is.

Actually, this "twink" or "teen" problem with Globill is nothing new. See http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=81390

*sigh* It amazes me that someone who has obviously been here thoughout the VISA debacle can be so utterly clueless. ACPay and Globill can move their US webmasters to a VISA US region bank at a moments notice (more or less) if necessary. No ACPay US webmaster will be 'fucked' as you put it, by VISA. They are moved to the US bank, pay the fee, business as usual.

I can tell you now, without fear of contridiction from Kimmykim herself, that she does not speak the 'Word of God'. Grow up.

KimmyKim is an employee of Epassports/Epoch. You really think she doesn't have an agenda ?

WTF are YOU talking about ???

WSB went under because of chargebacks, fines and related issues, absolutely fuck-all to do with VISA registration/fee compliance.

Read their emails, their web site. It's all spelled out.

Jeez, are you really that stupid ?

Do you not understand that VISA have just cost the adult industry millions of pounds ? Do you not understand why ?

Do you want VISA to charge you even more ? Do you want them to implement even more 'registration and administration' regulations ?

If not, then stop whining about how clueless Globill is and understand why they are doing this.

Did you read their emails/website a few months ago when they said everything was fine? They fucked people over for hundreds of millions and you're gonna believe every word they say?

As for KimmyKim's employment status, she does not work for Epoch, she works for ePassporte. And she used to work for ccBill. She knows what she's talking about when it comes to processing, even more so than some of the IPSP reps who post here (for example, the ACPay rep who didn't believe that Visa Canada and Visa USA were to different regions)

I am not defending WSB. When a processor goes under, it sux.

Do I believe every word they say ? No. I look back at the history, of the court actions (well documented), at the history of massive fines. I look at it all.

The conclusion is the most likely reason WSB went under was either 1) Inability to pay fines, or 2) Pressure from VISA --> bank regarding inordinately large amounts of chargebacks.

But, what has happened is that people with an agenda have leap on this, bent the truth a little, and are using it as a stick to beat Globill's back.

You have your view of her. I have mine. Lets agree to differ.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The problem I see with this is not whether or not Globill has the right to create their own policies, which they clearly do. The problem, as I see it is what this is doing is setting a precedent for other processors to follow. We switched from using the word "boy" in most of our stuff, to twink *because* it does have less controversial ideas associated with it in the gay world. If straight people are picking up on bad associations to the word twink it is only in relation to CP sites they may have come across that use the word mistakenly thinking it somehow means under 18. I assume many CP sites probably use the word boy or girl and of course teens as well as young. Someone mentioned changing all twink sites to refer to young men, but couldn't the word "young" also end up on a processor hit list? When processors begin banning words, rather than looking at the content contained in the site and making a judgement from there, we are all in trouble, straight sites included. They will only move the goal post further and further away until all any of us can say is "smelly old men in 3 piece suits smoking cigars" or "cranky old ladies with moth infested pussies." Do you really think that banning a word will somehow stop CP sites from processing? They could name their site anything and use any words to describe it...even smelly old men in 3 piece suits smoking cigars - it's the way they ADVERTISE and their content it that will get them members, not the actual words associated with the site. The whole thing is ridiculous and only hurts legitimate sites.

-joe

have you checked the fat in ding dongs? I never had until the other day they were on sale, pointed it out to some guy and he showed me, I put' em back (all but two packs), I'm down to 177 lbs and want to get down to 165.:Graucho

great 1st post

Globill is the best.