Why do 99% of the people offering hosted galleries play games? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 05-29-2003, 02:48 AM

100 ways to die... choose one.

notjoe · 05-29-2003, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
100 ways to die... choose one.

*evil laugh*

cash69 · 05-29-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

just checked - you have popups - like all the rest of the skum out there.........

how fucking STUPID is this TURD. - this thread is ABOUT bitching abotu guys who have traffic leaks and he posts a program full of traffic leaks

where the fuck do you see popups? i see a popup.. which you can take off with a simple addition to the url. the affiliate has it up becuase you get credit for popups... never herd of a "traffic leak" being 1 popup that the person wants. i hope no one hosts you and you have to keep paying 60$ a month for your HUGE tgp hosting! or takes a leak right on your face.. cause if i see you that's what im going to do

HQ · 05-29-2003, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

what's the point of a hosted gallery if one doesn't get paid for the sales from it?

EXACTLY. I think it's bullshit if a hosted gallery, from your own traffic, produces a signup that you do not get credit for. What's the point?!?!

Pappa · 05-29-2003, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

What he said.

Interesting thread btw

CrazyNakedChick · 05-29-2003, 07:26 AM

my program is clean.

my galleries are clean.

i don't have payroll to make, almost zero overhead as i create most of my own content.....

sometimes it pays off being a "little guy".

Lensman · 05-29-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by HQ
EXACTLY. I think it's bullshit if a hosted gallery, from your own traffic, produces a signup that you do not get credit for. What's the point?!?!

You're basically saying that you don't want exit consoles to other programs on the paysites you send traffic to. So you would be willing to take a reduced payout?

cash69 · 05-29-2003, 07:38 AM

they are just stupid and like talking shit.. sounds like an old grumpy man

SubAms · 05-29-2003, 07:41 AM

I only have clean hosted galleries and tours. I want your surfers to stay on my sites 'til they convert, not send them somewhere else, what's the point of that??

http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056
http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056
http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056

Exclusive amateur content is a great seller

PM

Donny · 05-29-2003, 07:47 AM

I have no pop ups on any of the 170+ hosted galleries I offer. And I add new galleries every day.

I have two versions of galleries. These 97 galleries are "clean" galleries with no recip links:

http://ncggalleries.tlchosting.com/webmaster/
(you'd need to enter your CCBill affiliate ID number to generate your galleries, but if you're not an affiliate test it out by entering any 6 digit number)

These 83 galleries are for people that want a recip link. you can dynamically alter 2 of the 3 recip links, the third recip goes to my site, www.Dirty4Free.com. I put www.dirty4free.com in there because when a webmaster uses the dynamic recip galleries they'll usually use one of the recips to go back to their TGP and the other recip to go to a paysite they own. I don't mind this at all as long as Dirty4Free.com is listed.

But if you don't like the dynamic recip link galleries, simply choose from the 97+ galleries at the first URL above. No traffic links or pop ups anywhere in sight.

Anyway, these are the 83 with dynamic recips:

http://www.nakedcollegegirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

PS - The program that creates the first 97 galleries (http://ncggalleries.tlchosting.com/webmaster/) was created for me by the guys at www.al4a.com and www.ampland.com . As you know, they're TGP guys... they know what they want in hosted galleries. Those were created from a TGP owner's point of view. I know you'll like them.

JMM · 05-29-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar
So negative aren't we?

Any faults with these:

http://www.redgalleries.com/0002
http://www.redgalleries.com/0003
http://www.redgalleries.com/0004

You mean other than the fact that those are paid models and not real girls who use your service???

OOPS..my bad..this thread is about screwing webmasters. Where is the screwing/defrauding surfers thread? I will go post there instead.

Donny · 05-29-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by CrazyNakedChick
my program is clean.

my galleries are clean.

i don't have payroll to make, almost zero overhead as i create most of my own content.....

sometimes it pays off being a "little guy".

I love your galleries. They're always great and you've never pulled any sneaky crap on me.

CrazyNakedChick · 05-29-2003, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

I love your galleries. They're always great and you've never pulled any sneaky crap on me.

hehe thanks donovan, i work really hard on everything i do.

AmeliaG · 05-29-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
looking around at hosted galleries in the threads about them on there - and the VAST VAST VAST majority of them play every trick, scam and popup you can think of that doesn't credit the person posting the gallery for the sale..... It was emabarising to say the least. You guys KNOW what I'm talking about - even BIG REPUTABLE programs are doing it too.

it's really sad cause some of them are actually nice galleries till you go so far as to click a sponser link on them - then you are taken to hell.

Our hosted galleries don't send the surfer to pop-up hell. Ex: http://gothicsluts.com/hg/g01fd/ I'd love it if you wanted to give Spooky Cash a try.

Thanks, Amelia

BabeHunter · 05-29-2003, 08:22 AM

my galleries are clean...my site doesn't have any popups...
no point in BShitting the webmaster

XxXotic · 05-29-2003, 08:43 AM

our hosted galleries

one example
http://hosted.steelwhores.com/31/ind...A=YOURCCBILLID

no leaks.

rest of the galleries
http://www.steelwhores.com/webmasters/hosted.html

we don't even have enter/exit pops on the sites main page

TheFLY · 05-29-2003, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
looking around at hosted galleries in the threads about them on there - and the VAST VAST VAST majority of them play every trick, scam and popup you can think of that doesn't credit the person posting the gallery for the sale..... It was emabarising to say the least. You guys KNOW what I'm talking about - even BIG REPUTABLE programs are doing it too.

it's really sad cause some of them are actually nice galleries till you go so far as to click a sponser link on them - then you are taken to hell.

I agree -- they took a good idea and abused it and fucked it up for everyone...

GoGoBar · 05-29-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

You're basically saying that you don't want exit consoles to other programs on the paysites you send traffic to. So you would be willing to take a reduced payout?

Look Sleazy, lens is a scammer too. What size shirt you want lens?

MediumPimpin · 05-29-2003, 09:55 AM

Our galleries over 700 at last count have no pop ups no re-directs no bull shit, 15 super clear images, also if you put in the wrong code the pages go to a blank 404 page so I do not get credit for mistakes.

Once on the tour we have no exits or consoles any link on our tour you get credit period.

Here is our browse script for one of the sites take a look.

Hosted Pages

You can push it with Ibill or our affiliate with the cascading billing system so get paid by us or Ibill direct, your choice

seven · 05-29-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]
You guys check out one of our hosted gallery:

http://free.hypnotrick.com/indexa254.htm

No traffic leaks, nice design, big movies.

Please tell me if it sucks

Not to bash you or anything but I think the trailers on your tours are a bit too long.. you should trim em down a bit so surfers don't get enough to jerk off on.. just my

seven · 05-29-2003, 10:07 AM

It could be just me but I get the hosted gallery probs from the major sponsors mostly, not from the small but decent site owners

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by SexTronix
we have the best looking and no trick hosted galleries. We know that screwing webmasters is not good option in long term business.

NOPE - another DUMBASS - full of popup crap.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by http
over 2000 no BS galleries in my sig

used by several large top-10 sextracker tgp's

you only pay on 67% of the sales - same game, different spin.

an i got nailed with a popup on the WEBMASTER page... SAD - real SAD

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by cash69

where the fuck do you see popups? i see a popup.. which you can take off with a simple addition to the url. the affiliate has it up becuase you get credit for popups... never herd of a "traffic leak" being 1 popup that the person wants. i hope no one hosts you and you have to keep paying 60$ a month for your HUGE tgp hosting! or takes a leak right on your face.. cause if i see you that's what im going to do

you're mad at me cause you're STUPID - yep - that makes sense.

dumbass

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman

You're basically saying that you don't want exit consoles to other programs on the paysites you send traffic to. So you would be willing to take a reduced payout?

yes, but to be honest I don't think that's necessary either.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by PantyMan
I only have clean hosted galleries and tours. I want your surfers to stay on my sites 'til they convert, not send them somewhere else, what's the point of that??

http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056
http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056
http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056

Exclusive amateur content is a great seller

PM

this looked good and clean

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by CrazyNakedChick
my program is clean.

my galleries are clean.

i don't have payroll to make, almost zero overhead as i create most of my own content.....

sometimes it pays off being a "little guy".

nice site

Fletch XXX · 05-29-2003, 10:37 AM

the most blatant traffic leak i have seen lately was the ? links at the bottom of a page not carrying a ref code.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by AmeliaG

Our hosted galleries don't send the surfer to pop-up hell. Ex: http://gothicsluts.com/hg/g01fd/ I'd love it if you wanted to give Spooky Cash a try.

Thanks, Amelia

I just can't believe how STUPID some people are. In a thread bitching about popups if HAVE popups DON'T POST your program or you look like an IDIOT and a GREEDY DUMBASS.

You're an IDIOT and a GREEDY DUMBASS - you have popups.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by XxXotic
our hosted galleries

one example
http://hosted.steelwhores.com/31/ind...A=YOURCCBILLID

no leaks.

rest of the galleries
http://www.steelwhores.com/webmasters/hosted.html

we don't even have enter/exit pops on the sites main page

nice clean site.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by MediumPimpin
Our galleries over 700 at last count have no pop ups no re-directs no bull shit, 15 super clear images, also if you put in the wrong code the pages go to a blank 404 page so I do not get credit for mistakes.

Once on the tour we have no exits or consoles any link on our tour you get credit period.

Here is our browse script for one of the sites take a look.

Hosted Pages

You can push it with Ibill or our affiliate with the cascading billing system so get paid by us or Ibill direct, your choice

when I click the links to the paysite on your galleries I get this page?
http://www.mediumpimpin.com/404.shtml/?sb=

fantasyman · 05-29-2003, 10:45 AM

SleazyDream have you checked out CE's Galleries?

I believe they are clean. lmk what you think.

We have it in our Follow Me Free Program and Pay It Forward program.

http · 05-29-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

you only pay on 67% of the sales - same game, different spin.

an i got nailed with a popup on the WEBMASTER page... SAD - real SAD

These galleries are only available through me and hosted by me. Meaning that I take the 33% for hosting (mainly) and content

I think it's a fair deal and 67% of these galleries doesn't mean your bottom line would be lower than with a 100% gallery (of someone else)

A few established tgp's of your size are using them regularely/daily

I have absolutely no popups on my site (http://www.b55.net/)

You probably mean that pop-up you get when trying to signup for an Epoch program (i.e. wcpcash biggestdickinporn)? That's been there for months, and afaik all Epoch affiliates (not just this sponsor/site) trying to signup get this pop-up. You can just click it away and signup. Stupid I know but I cannot remove it, only Epoch can

MediumPimpin · 05-29-2003, 10:51 AM

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when I click the links to the paysite on your galleries I get this page?

They only work when you have your proper ID code in the links like this

Link

This way if you make a mistake we can catch it quicker and I do not profit from your our my mistake.

seven · 05-29-2003, 10:51 AM

Sleazy,
How do you like one small movie pop off tour?
http://www.sex-toy-teen-gallery.com/...php?rid=16563r

CrazyNakedChick · 05-29-2003, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

nice site

thank you.

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by fantasyman
SleazyDream have you checked out CE's Galleries?

I believe they are clean. lmk what you think.

We have it in our Follow Me Free Program and Pay It Forward program.

post some sample urls? (hint - don't if they have popups)

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by http

You probably mean that pop-up you get when trying to signup for an Epoch program (i.e. wcpcash biggestdickinporn)? That's been there for months, and afaik all Epoch affiliates (not just this sponsor/site) trying to signup get this pop-up. You can just click it away and signup. Stupid I know but I cannot remove it, only Epoch can

i'm a little unclear here - are you saying that anyone that uses epoch as a cc processor gets nailed with a popup?

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by seven
Sleazy,
How do you like one small movie pop off tour?
http://www.sex-toy-teen-gallery.com/...php?rid=16563r

why why why would you post a url with popups on a thread BITCHING about popups. I just don't get it.....

GoGoBar · 05-29-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by JMM

You mean other than the fact that those are paid models and not real girls who use your service???

OOPS..my bad..this thread is about screwing webmasters. Where is the screwing/defrauding surfers thread? I will go post there instead.

Perhaps you would rather we use member content which we have no release for and no rights to use. Why are there so many morons on this board?

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Why are there so many morons on this board?

well, at least you got one thing right..............

fantasyman · 05-29-2003, 11:03 AM

Donny · 05-29-2003, 11:05 AM

Sleazy,

Don't know if you noticed or not, but even after clicking through to my site there are no pop ups anywhere. I've never had them. I've been having everyone in the world tell me I should use them but have resisted so far.

The galleries are listed higher up this page.

seven · 05-29-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
why why why would you post a url with popups on a thread BITCHING about popups. I just don't get it.....

Not sure I get what you are saying.. this url does not pop-up anything, it's a gallery http://www.sex-toy-teen-gallery.com/...php?rid=16563r if you follow the link from this gallery to the sponsor site and back up.. a small thumb will pop-up, if you click on that thumb a girl in a movie will say "please don't leave site.com I'll shake my ass for you" and shakes her ass. Don't think it's the kinda pop-up you are or should be bitching about..

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by fantasyman
Here are a few.....

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/teen

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/anal

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/asian

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/boobs

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/ebony

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...60003/hardcore

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...2460003/latina

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...460003/lesbian

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/oral

http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...nd/2460003/gay

lmk what you think

popup hell

JMM · 05-29-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Perhaps you would rather we use member content which we have no release for and no rights to use. Why are there so many morons on this board?

HAHAHAHA, yeah..I'm a moron.

Have you thought about making a release and limited license part of the submission process? Of course not, instead you would rather defraud surfers and make them think that the girls in your galleries are the girls who they will be able to contact if they join your site.

Pathetic is the first word that comes to mind.
Illegal is the next.
Actionable is the third.

Donny · 05-29-2003, 11:07 AM

Fantasyman,

I keep talking to Jen about shooting content for you. She says "Your content looks great! I'm sure we'll work something out. I'll get back to you later this week." That's usually the last I hear until I message her on ICQ again. Then the "looks great" conversation is repeated. LOL.

Any way we can talk??

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=138073

-DP

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by seven

Not sure I get what you are saying.. this url does not pop-up .................................... Don't think it's the kinda pop-up you are or should be bitching about..

to me a popup is a popup.........

don't get me wrong - there's NOTHING WRONG with popups, but on a thread bitching about popups it ISN'T smart to post programs that HAVE popups on them is it...............

SleazyDream · 05-29-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Sleazy,

Don't know if you noticed or not, but even after clicking through to my site there are no pop ups anywhere. I've never had them. I've been having everyone in the world tell me I should use them but have resisted so far.

The galleries are listed higher up this page.

your program looked clean. I was impressed too.

xxxdesign-net · 05-29-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

popup hell

I think you forgot the "IDIOT and GREEDY DUMBASS" remark!?

05-29-2003, 07:26 AM	#106
CrazyNakedChick Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Infidelville Posts: 1,902	my program is clean. my galleries are clean. i don't have payroll to make, almost zero overhead as i create most of my own content..... sometimes it pays off being a "little guy". __________________ Addicted to Lingerie? Got Broadband? Click Here!

05-29-2003, 07:41 AM	#109
SubAms Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Living on an Island Posts: 310	I only have clean hosted galleries and tours. I want your surfers to stay on my sites 'til they convert, not send them somewhere else, what's the point of that?? http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056 http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056 http://www.amateurs-uk.com/galleries...ex.shtml?40056 Exclusive amateur content is a great seller PM __________________ Promote exclusive British sites with Suburban Cash Suburban Amateurs - Danica Collins

05-29-2003, 07:47 AM	#110
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I have no pop ups on any of the 170+ hosted galleries I offer. And I add new galleries every day. I have two versions of galleries. These 97 galleries are "clean" galleries with no recip links: http://ncggalleries.tlchosting.com/webmaster/ (you'd need to enter your CCBill affiliate ID number to generate your galleries, but if you're not an affiliate test it out by entering any 6 digit number) These 83 galleries are for people that want a recip link. you can dynamically alter 2 of the 3 recip links, the third recip goes to my site, www.Dirty4Free.com. I put www.dirty4free.com in there because when a webmaster uses the dynamic recip galleries they'll usually use one of the recips to go back to their TGP and the other recip to go to a paysite they own. I don't mind this at all as long as Dirty4Free.com is listed. But if you don't like the dynamic recip link galleries, simply choose from the 97+ galleries at the first URL above. No traffic links or pop ups anywhere in sight. Anyway, these are the 83 with dynamic recips: http://www.nakedcollegegirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm PS - The program that creates the first 97 galleries (http://ncggalleries.tlchosting.com/webmaster/) was created for me by the guys at www.al4a.com and www.ampland.com . As you know, they're TGP guys... they know what they want in hosted galleries. Those were created from a TGP owner's point of view. I know you'll like them. Last edited by DonovanPhillips; 05-29-2003 at 08:05 AM..

05-29-2003, 08:22 AM	#115
BabeHunter Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: 2nd door on the left Posts: 4,063	my galleries are clean...my site doesn't have any popups... no point in BShitting the webmaster __________________ Yep

05-29-2003, 08:43 AM	#116
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	our hosted galleries one example http://hosted.steelwhores.com/31/ind...A=YOURCCBILLID no leaks. rest of the galleries http://www.steelwhores.com/webmasters/hosted.html we don't even have enter/exit pops on the sites main page __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

05-29-2003, 02:48 AM	#101
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	100 ways to die... choose one.

05-29-2003, 07:38 AM	#108
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	they are just stupid and like talking shit.. sounds like an old grumpy man

05-29-2003, 09:55 AM	#119
MediumPimpin Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,488	Our galleries over 700 at last count have no pop ups no re-directs no bull shit, 15 super clear images, also if you put in the wrong code the pages go to a blank 404 page so I do not get credit for mistakes. Once on the tour we have no exits or consoles any link on our tour you get credit period. Here is our browse script for one of the sites take a look. Hosted Pages You can push it with Ibill or our affiliate with the cascading billing system so get paid by us or Ibill direct, your choice __________________ nats.mediumpimpin.com

05-29-2003, 10:07 AM	#121
seven Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LaLa Land Posts: 2,697	It could be just me but I get the hosted gallery probs from the major sponsors mostly, not from the small but decent site owners __________________ Toy Rev Rouge Web Design

05-29-2003, 10:37 AM	#128
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	the most blatant traffic leak i have seen lately was the ? links at the bottom of a page not carrying a ref code. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-29-2003, 10:45 AM	#132
fantasyman Let's do some business together Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 973	SleazyDream have you checked out CE's Galleries? I believe they are clean. lmk what you think. We have it in our Follow Me Free Program and Pay It Forward program.

05-29-2003, 10:51 AM	#135
seven Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LaLa Land Posts: 2,697	Sleazy, How do you like one small movie pop off tour? http://www.sex-toy-teen-gallery.com/...php?rid=16563r __________________ Toy Rev Rouge Web Design

05-29-2003, 11:03 AM	#142
fantasyman Let's do some business together Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 973	Here are a few..... http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/teen http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/anal http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/asian http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/boobs http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c.../2460003/ebony http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...60003/hardcore http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...2460003/latina http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...460003/lesbian http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...d/2460003/oral http://tgp.cybereroticagallery.com/c...nd/2460003/gay lmk what you think

05-29-2003, 11:05 AM	#143
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Sleazy, Don't know if you noticed or not, but even after clicking through to my site there are no pop ups anywhere. I've never had them. I've been having everyone in the world tell me I should use them but have resisted so far. The galleries are listed higher up this page.

05-29-2003, 11:07 AM	#147
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Fantasyman, I keep talking to Jen about shooting content for you. She says "Your content looks great! I'm sure we'll work something out. I'll get back to you later this week." That's usually the last I hear until I message her on ICQ again. Then the "looks great" conversation is repeated. LOL. Any way we can talk?? Take a look at this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=138073 -DP