No Bunker where U.S. Bombs Targeted Saddam-CBS - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 05-28-2003, 06:03 PM

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Shortly after the attack, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters: "There's no question but that the strike on that leadership headquarters was successful. We have photographs of what took place. The question is, what was in there?"

Photographs...hahaha ... bunch of fucking liars ...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2841284

Wed May 28, 2003 08:39 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Baghdad bunker which the United States said it bombed on the opening night of the Iraq war in a bid to kill Saddam Hussein never existed, CBS Evening News reported Wednesday.
The network quoted a U.S. Army colonel in charge of inspecting key sites in Baghdad as saying no trace of a bunker or of bodies had been found at the site on the southern outskirts of the Iraqi capital, known as Dora Farms.

"When we came out here, the primary thing they were looking for was an underground facility, or bodies, forensics, and basically, what they saw was giant holes created. No underground facilities, no bodies," Col. Tim Madere said.

directfiesta · 05-28-2003, 06:46 PM

My god. so much silence...

Rooster, 12clicks and the irreplacable TheKing, did you cut off your tongue????

Centurion · 05-28-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Photographs...hahaha ... bunch of fucking liars ...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2841284

Wed May 28, 2003 08:39 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Baghdad bunker which the United States said it bombed on the opening night of the Iraq war in a bid to kill Saddam Hussein never existed, CBS Evening News reported Wednesday.
The network quoted a U.S. Army colonel in charge of inspecting key sites in Baghdad as saying no trace of a bunker or of bodies had been found at the site on the southern outskirts of the Iraqi capital, known as Dora Farms.

"When we came out here, the primary thing they were looking for was an underground facility, or bodies, forensics, and basically, what they saw was giant holes created. No underground facilities, no bodies," Col. Tim Madere said.

Yeah, but we, well we, um...you know...sure, well maybe there weren't any bodies..but, uh..uh..

WE SURE DID MAKE SOME BIG HOLES IN THE GROUND!!

Yeah..that's the ticket! That's our story and we're sticking to it!

rooster · 05-28-2003, 06:52 PM

Wow, 2000 pound bombs destroy things. I learn something new every day.

directfiesta · 05-28-2003, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
Wow, 2000 pound bombs destroy things. I learn something new every day.

Nice to see that you are still ok, Rooster.

Webby · 05-28-2003, 07:29 PM

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My god. so much silence...

It's quiet on this thread....

theking · 05-28-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Photographs...hahaha ... bunch of fucking liars ...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2841284

Wed May 28, 2003 08:39 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Baghdad bunker which the United States said it bombed on the opening night of the Iraq war in a bid to kill Saddam Hussein never existed, CBS Evening News reported Wednesday.
The network quoted a U.S. Army colonel in charge of inspecting key sites in Baghdad as saying no trace of a bunker or of bodies had been found at the site on the southern outskirts of the Iraqi capital, known as Dora Farms.

"When we came out here, the primary thing they were looking for was an underground facility, or bodies, forensics, and basically, what they saw was giant holes created. No underground facilities, no bodies," Col. Tim Madere said.

What is the lie?

Joe Sixpack · 05-28-2003, 08:01 PM

You know, bombs worth tens of thousands of dollars each ARE great for creating big holes in the ground... but earth moving equipment is perhaps more suited to the task.

directfiesta · 05-28-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by theking

What is the lie?

Talking about brainwashed... oups, sorry, this only applies to those who have a brain, so you are not eligible:

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Donald Rumsfeld told reporters: "There's no question but that the strike on that leadership headquarters was successful. We have photographs of what took place.

PHOTOGRAPHS.... Lets see them...

Remember that night, you sure must: you had the biggest orgasm of your lousy life :

We have " intelligence", , we have "striked directly" , the bunker" of Sadaam and his sons", and so on...

Centurion · 05-28-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

PHOTOGRAPHS.... Lets see them...

Remember that night, you sure must: you had the biggest orgasm of your lousy life :

We have " intelligence", , we have "striked directly" , the bunker" of Sadaam and his sons", and so on...

I even remember some TV network quoting some "unidentified government source" that the people living next to this palace saw Saddam being helped out of the debris after the attack and that an ambulance was there. But that it looked like one or BOTH of his sons had been killed in the attack, and Saddam was probably seriously injured (using the televised speech Saddam gave later after the attack).

All in all..intelligence in this situation was an oxymoron!

Flow · 05-28-2003, 08:55 PM

First the news yesterday from Rumsfeld - you know the one that was on Yahoo! US for about 5 minutes before the completely removed the story - the one where Rumsfeld said that Saddam more than likely destroyed the WMD days before the war started (translation - can find them so gotta cover our asses here). Then this story comes out. Maybe this Bush loving media (CBS, NBC, FOX NEWS, ABC, MSNBC, etc) is finally seeing the light and are going to start talking about the untruths of this war/conflict/takeover whatever you want to call it - you know focus on the fact that we still do not have Saddam or have found WMD which is the reason why the war started and according to Bush a few weeks ago must happen before he will end the war. Maybe this will be first of many things that come out of this so that Bush won't get voted in again for four more years - God won't that be heaven!

Flow

Trolleater · 05-28-2003, 08:57 PM

I posted this a couple mins before you

theking · 05-28-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

PHOTOGRAPHS.... Lets see them...

Remember that night, you sure must: you had the biggest orgasm of your lousy life :

We have " intelligence", , we have "striked directly" , the bunker" of Sadaam and his sons", and so on...

As I recall...the US received some last minute intel from whoever...and had to change plans, and targeting, in a short span of time and this is not an easy task (not like the movies). Our forces struck, or attempted to strike, a target provided by that intel. Is intel ever wrong...yes...more often than it is 100% right.

Have you ever tried to do an assessment of damage taken by the gun cameras of a jet aircraft? It is not an exact science...it is an art. The Secretary of Defense does not do any of this personally. Info is passed on to him...if at a later time the info proves to be incorrect...does that mean that he lied...no...does that mean that the people that provided him with the info lied...no...there are things that are called mistakes. People have seen far to many movies...but this is real life not some fucking movie. Mistakes are made...and sometimes...very serious mistakes...nothing new about this. Mistakes do not equate to lies except to those that have an agenda.

Webby · 05-28-2003, 09:09 PM

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All in all..intelligence in this situation was an oxymoron!

It is not new that both US and UK Intelligence Services clearly... that reads.. "C L E A R L Y" told both heads of governments that Iraq was not "poised to launch missles at any Westen country nor did they have WMD as claimed by some.

The absurdity of the "thing" and the US Admin having an "appraisal" of "intelligence quality" after the war raises still more serious doubts, both on the Admin competence and their "desires". I smell a "defence" creeping in - "it was not us, it was the intelligence services".

Webby · 05-28-2003, 09:13 PM

theking:

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As I recall...the US received some last minute intel from whoever...and had to change plans, and targeting, in a short span of time and this is not an easy task (not like the movies). Our forces struck, or attempted to strike, a target provided by that intel. Is intel ever wrong...yes...more often than it is 100% right.

All claims and reports from "on the ground" and afterwards stand. Basically they lied once more.

But, rest assured, this is not the last lie - more to follow.. pretty soon.

theking · 05-28-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theking:

All claims and reports from "on the ground" and afterwards stand. Basically they lied once more.

But, rest assured, this is not the last lie - more to follow.. pretty soon.

It apparently does not stand..."The network quoted a U.S. Army colonel..."

Webby · 05-28-2003, 09:18 PM

Tis amazing sometimes that some, from those positions of power down to the guy in the street in the US, have this inability to comprehend a lie. It is or it is not. There is no grey area.

This has been demonstrated by both the Admin in the US and many corporations. They just cannot comprehend a lie (or fraud for that matter!).

Webby · 05-28-2003, 09:19 PM

theking:

In that case... look at the world media for the full account, cos it will not be played up in the US media, - that's a 100% guarantee.

theking · 05-28-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theking:

In that case... look at the world media for the full account, cos it will not be played up in the US media, - that's a 100% guarantee.

Reuters is quoting from a CBS report...so no need to look at the world media.

Fire · 05-28-2003, 09:51 PM

We already beat the shit out of Iraq, why do you guys want to focus on the reason we did it or the methods. I encourage you to look to the future and our conquering of Iran!!! We need to take over the whole Middle East so that we can get all the free oil for my gas guzzling SUV!

Webby · 05-28-2003, 10:10 PM

theking:

Rest assured Reuters and several others are looking into this right now - so ya may end up with a totally different picture which is even worse

Webby · 05-28-2003, 10:13 PM

Fire:

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We already beat the shit out of Iraq, why do you guys want to focus on the reason we did it or the methods. I encourage you to look to the future and our conquering of Iran!!! We need to take over the whole Middle East so that we can get all the free oil for my gas guzzling SUV!

Another.. I assume US person, lacking any comprehension of a brain, - neverming possessing one....... Who breeds these "humans"??

theking · 05-28-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
Fire:

Another.. I assume US person, lacking any comprehension of a brain, - neverming possessing one....... Who breeds these "humans"??

The ones that are really " lacking any comprehension" seem to be bred in Canada and Webby Land. Small populations may contribute to inter-breeding.

directfiesta · 05-28-2003, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by Fire
We already beat the shit out of Iraq, why do you guys want to focus on the reason we did it or the methods. I encourage you to look to the future and our conquering of Iran!!! We need to take over the whole Middle East so that we can get all the free oil for my gas guzzling SUV!

At least, it's straight to the point and clear....

Still can't agree with you.

Webby · 05-28-2003, 11:02 PM

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The ones that are really " lacking any comprehension" seem to be bred in Canada and Webby Land. Small populations may contribute to inter-breeding.

Typical response that is expected... maybe one day there will be light...

jim manly · 05-28-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You know, bombs worth tens of thousands of dollars each ARE great for creating big holes in the ground... but earth moving equipment is perhaps more suited to the task.

You're an idiot, they are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars each.

Centurion · 05-28-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by theking

The ones that are really " lacking any comprehension" seem to be bred in Canada and Webby Land. Small populations may contribute to inter-breeding.

YO!

Don't put all U.S. citizens as Bush lovers (hmm..on THIS board..I might have to amend that..grin)!

Anyhow, Bush & his cronies see the need to continue the propaganda war and will do whatever they need to "validate" not only their past actions, but all future ones in Iraq & elsewhere.

I can hear Bush talking to Rummy right now: "Well, now that we conquered Iraq, what do we do with it?"

*THAT* is the compelling question in my mind!

ADL Colin · 06-01-2003, 02:07 PM

It's not at all unusual for there to be false, misleading, and even counterintelligence during war (during times of peace too, of course).

Consider the number of stories we have heard throughout the war. Food shortages due to broken supply lines, everything is "not going according to plan", an unexpected pause, unexpected resistance, "quagmire". There were just as many if not more stories that people easily believed which showed US weakness and vulnerability and yet within a few weeks of them being taken hook, line, and sinker by unsuspecting America-haters, US soldiers were in the streets of Baghdad, Saddam's statues were falling and the Iraqi "Elite" Republican Guard was decimated and destroyed.

Many doubted the US intelligence that pointed to the general unwillingness of Iraqi's to fight for a "dying regime" and yet the live pictures that we saw as US troops moved into Baghdad indicated that evaluation was much more correct than incorrect.

This is precisely WHY the term "fog of war" was invented and is popular. We will undoubtably learn of more errors in intelligence, double-crossings, effective Iraqi counterintelligence and information that was not released as it was obtained. There will also quite likely still be a future surprise that will no doubt shock many. Remember that a single bomb killed 243 marines in a Beirut barracks in 1983.

The war was notable for it's underestimation of US military strength and intelligence and not the opposite. Despite the
predictions of a bloodbath as a result of urban combat in Baghdad and tens of thousands of US soldiers killer, the plan went as according to plan as one could go.

h0st · 06-01-2003, 02:20 PM

so what? usa won the war, get over it

Big Monkie · 06-01-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Fire
We already beat the shit out of Iraq, why do you guys want to focus on the reason we did it or the methods. I encourage you to look to the future and our conquering of Iran!!! We need to take over the whole Middle East so that we can get all the free oil for my gas guzzling SUV!

Silly fool, that oil isnt going to be free for YOU.

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ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	It's not at all unusual for there to be false, misleading, and even counterintelligence during war (during times of peace too, of course). Consider the number of stories we have heard throughout the war. Food shortages due to broken supply lines, everything is "not going according to plan", an unexpected pause, unexpected resistance, "quagmire". There were just as many if not more stories that people easily believed which showed US weakness and vulnerability and yet within a few weeks of them being taken hook, line, and sinker by unsuspecting America-haters, US soldiers were in the streets of Baghdad, Saddam's statues were falling and the Iraqi "Elite" Republican Guard was decimated and destroyed. Many doubted the US intelligence that pointed to the general unwillingness of Iraqi's to fight for a "dying regime" and yet the live pictures that we saw as US troops moved into Baghdad indicated that evaluation was much more correct than incorrect. This is precisely WHY the term "fog of war" was invented and is popular. We will undoubtably learn of more errors in intelligence, double-crossings, effective Iraqi counterintelligence and information that was not released as it was obtained. There will also quite likely still be a future surprise that will no doubt shock many. Remember that a single bomb killed 243 marines in a Beirut barracks in 1983. The war was notable for it's underestimation of US military strength and intelligence and not the opposite. Despite the predictions of a bloodbath as a result of urban combat in Baghdad and tens of thousands of US soldiers killer, the plan went as according to plan as one could go. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

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rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	Wow, 2000 pound bombs destroy things. I learn something new every day.

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Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	You know, bombs worth tens of thousands of dollars each ARE great for creating big holes in the ground... but earth moving equipment is perhaps more suited to the task.

05-28-2003, 08:55 PM	#11
Flow Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 518	First the news yesterday from Rumsfeld - you know the one that was on Yahoo! US for about 5 minutes before the completely removed the story - the one where Rumsfeld said that Saddam more than likely destroyed the WMD days before the war started (translation - can find them so gotta cover our asses here). Then this story comes out. Maybe this Bush loving media (CBS, NBC, FOX NEWS, ABC, MSNBC, etc) is finally seeing the light and are going to start talking about the untruths of this war/conflict/takeover whatever you want to call it - you know focus on the fact that we still do not have Saddam or have found WMD which is the reason why the war started and according to Bush a few weeks ago must happen before he will end the war. Maybe this will be first of many things that come out of this so that Bush won't get voted in again for four more years - God won't that be heaven! Flow

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Trolleater Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,441	I posted this a couple mins before you

05-28-2003, 09:18 PM	#17
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Tis amazing sometimes that some, from those positions of power down to the guy in the street in the US, have this inability to comprehend a lie. It is or it is not. There is no grey area. This has been demonstrated by both the Admin in the US and many corporations. They just cannot comprehend a lie (or fraud for that matter!).

05-28-2003, 09:19 PM	#18
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	theking: In that case... look at the world media for the full account, cos it will not be played up in the US media, - that's a 100% guarantee.

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Fire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 486	We already beat the shit out of Iraq, why do you guys want to focus on the reason we did it or the methods. I encourage you to look to the future and our conquering of Iran!!! We need to take over the whole Middle East so that we can get all the free oil for my gas guzzling SUV!

05-28-2003, 10:10 PM	#21
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	theking: Rest assured Reuters and several others are looking into this right now - so ya may end up with a totally different picture which is even worse