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SunTzu 05-30-2003 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim


If so, then I am not understanding how you can 'waive' the $750 fee for site owners that have already paid it elsewhere, since it's my understanding that EACH processor has to collect and remit to their own banks, regardless of other processors the client may be registered with previously. So will your US clients be properly registered with Visa if they do not remit the fee to you?

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The other issue at stake here for site owners is the fact that they are not allowed to acquire in multiple regions for the same web site. So if they are using Ibill for a primary, for instance, and ACPay for backup, do you guarantee that they are being settled in the US, and do you accept the liability of potential Visa sanctions on these clients if it were to turn out that they were in violation of a basic tenet of Visa's, and were to incur any financial or punitive damage from Visa's actions as a result of their improper acquisition and settlement of payments to their sites?


Cory - I've asked similar questions that Kimmy brought up here. I think these are the most important issues that you still need to address. It's more about the security of doing business with you than the $750. charge.

You mentioned being a straightforward and direct guy. Can you use some of that to answer these questions?

AC Cory 05-30-2003 12:49 PM

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You mentioned being a straightforward and direct guy. Can you use some of that to answer these questions?
Yep, by day's end.

lawked 05-30-2003 01:11 PM

How about a confirmation as to where the payment was received. Perhaps your bank can issue a statement that they received the money in full (750).

To me it sounds like, sign up 10,000 webmasters... Ask for 350
to internationals and 750 to US. Quick way to make money.

ACPay Mac 05-30-2003 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim


Boy, here we go again, since now I am even more confused.

Have you been settling US transactions for ACPay clients without registering them in the US? That seems to be what you are implying and I just don't see how that could be possible.

I could understand if you are setting outside the US and therefore didn't feel the need to be compliant with the US, so are you now adding to your portfolio the option of US settlement for US clients?

If so, then I am not understanding how you can 'waive' the $750 fee for site owners that have already paid it elsewhere, since it's my understanding that EACH processor has to collect and remit to their own banks, regardless of other processors the client may be registered with previously. So will your US clients be properly registered with Visa if they do not remit the fee to you?

I'm trying to get my head around all this so I can have a clear and proper understanding of what is going on here and while I hate to keep after you with questions, I do want to understand how this process is working.

The other issue at stake here for site owners is the fact that they are not allowed to acquire in multiple regions for the same web site. So if they are using Ibill for a primary, for instance, and ACPay for backup, do you guarantee that they are being settled in the US, and do you accept the liability of potential Visa sanctions on these clients if it were to turn out that they were in violation of a basic tenet of Visa's, and were to incur any financial or punitive damage from Visa's actions as a result of their improper acquisition and settlement of payments to their sites?

Prior to two weeks ago, and I remember that day vividly, AC Pay was not an IPSP. We got word on rather short notice from our processors (through our UK office) that it would fall under the EU region IPSP rules effective immediately. We appealed that short notice and got a reprieve to work out the logistics. We have a ramp up period to get everyone into compliance. I don?t have a firm date, but we are working on this around the clock.

We have two companies for AC Pay, one that is fully operational in the UK and one that is fully operational in the US. Originally we were going to use the US entity, with its several accounts for a full blown IPSP under a different name. In light of the exigency of the circumstances we are moving the US clients into the US region as quickly as possible. The registration process is beginning in earnest.

The fee waiver issue was a bit premature and we are looking into it. Because it is entirely probable that our processors here in the US might have registration information on record, there was a possibility that we could get the fee waived. This is still in the negotiation stages and may not happen. To help with the impact of all this, we are going to work out a volume requirement and pay back the fees based on a formula.

Because we are traveling rapidly down the path of IPSP compliance, the issue you raise re: Visa sanctions is obviated.

p00p 05-30-2003 04:02 PM

what about your Canadian customers?

Indy the real one 05-30-2003 04:38 PM

Just change for another processor...

grampatex 05-30-2003 04:53 PM

Wow, these guys are in trouble. They are playing catch up 6 months after the regulations went into effect. It doesn't work that way! Good night WSB, AC Pay, Glo-Bill, Verotel...

seven 05-30-2003 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by grampatex
Good night WSB, AC Pay, Glo-Bill, Verotel...
And goodnight grampatex, sweet dreams :winkwink:

grampatex 05-30-2003 05:26 PM

always sweet dreams seven...:)

Kimmykim 05-30-2003 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by ACPay Mac
Prior to two weeks ago, and I remember that day vividly, AC Pay was not an IPSP.

We have two companies for AC Pay, one that is fully operational in the UK and one that is fully operational in the US.

The fee waiver issue was a bit premature and we are looking into it. Because it is entirely probable that our processors here in the US might have registration information on record, there was a possibility that we could get the fee waived. This is still in the negotiation stages and may not happen.

Because we are traveling rapidly down the path of IPSP compliance, the issue you raise re: Visa sanctions is obviated.

Hi Mac :)

It's nice to see you guys posting facts, and addressing the issues that have come to light.

I am not sure how your management team thought to process cards as an aggregator without being a proper IPSP, but that's neither here nor there at this time.

I also find some of the premature announcements you've made to be a bit disconcerting -- including the one above regarding the fees -- this would mean in essence that Visa was allowing 1 IPSP to waive fees if others had collected them for clients, but make no provision for the fully compliant from the beginning IPSPs to gain any rebate for their clients or to stop collecting the fees. Not something I see as likely, but perhaps Martin likes you guys better than anyone else ;)

And while I understand your journey, until you've reached the destination nothing is obviated, it is still a tremendously volatile and very important point to site owners.

I trust you will keep us posted on the progress of your endeavours so that webmaster community can evaluate the situatino with the correct information at hand.

nevermind 05-30-2003 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by ACPay Mac


The fee waiver issue was a bit premature and we are looking into it. Because it is entirely probable that our processors here in the US might have registration information on record, there was a possibility that we could get the fee waived. This is still in the negotiation stages and may not happen.

Unbelievable. Yet another flip flop on fees.

Maybe you guys should do some research before you tell webmasters one thing, and then change it --- again.

This is ridiculous.

Shoplifter 06-02-2003 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by p00p
what about your Canadian customers?

Bumpo

:question

XYCash 06-02-2003 05:48 PM

I still don't get why people can't see the proverbial writing on the wall for third party processors...apply for your own merchant account and say goodbye to these hassles. Netbilling is a good start. :ak47:

-joe

wildporno 06-02-2003 06:12 PM

netbilling is looking at $50,000 per month for MINIMUM !
don't think too many people here push $600,000/year

slavdogg 06-02-2003 06:17 PM

SunTzu, hey bro
you still in stealth mode ?? :)

drop me an email sometimes

nevermind 06-02-2003 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by wildporno
netbilling is looking at $50,000 per month for MINIMUM !
don't think too many people here push $600,000/year

I thought that was only for accounts outside of the U.S., primarily Canada, but I could be wrong.

XYCash 06-02-2003 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by wildporno
netbilling is looking at $50,000 per month for MINIMUM !
don't think too many people here push $600,000/year

Netbilling gives you a front end to your merchant account, but they can point you towards a company that can provide the merchant account. We've been processing with them since October. Yes we do go beyond the $600,000 minimum you quoted, but we just recommended a friend to them who processes probably about $1000.00 a month and the account was set up very quickly. I have never heard of this minimum you are quoting...where are you getting this from?

-joe

the indigo 06-02-2003 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by XYCash


Netbilling gives you a front end to your merchant account, but they can point you towards a company that can provide the merchant account. We've been processing with them since October. Yes we do go beyond the $600,000 minimum you quoted, but we just recommended a friend to them who processes probably about $1000.00 a month and the account was set up very quickly. I have never heard of this minimum you are quoting...where are you getting this from?

-joe

Where did you get your merchant from? Are they US based or EU based?

Elephant_Gut 06-02-2003 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim


but perhaps Martin likes you guys better than anyone else ;)


Who is Martin? Some kind of important playa?

And how can we get him to be nice to me too?

:winkwink:

XYCash 06-02-2003 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by the indigo


Where did you get your merchant from? Are they US based or EU based?

US based through CardService.

-joe


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