There was a couple of processors at least that DIDN'T charge the $750 if you were already registered when I was looking recently. I'm not going to search to see which but they are out there. The $350 is purely because ACPAY want $350 from people. No other reason to charge it.

Tipsy, would like to hear who those other processors are. So far every one has said the $750. fee is per processor. Jettis is the only one I know of now that is refunding the fees, as CCBill stopped their refunds.

CC Bill, and I believe Jettis as well. The fees were still paid, they were deducted from payouts over time, as I understand it. CC Bill got socked as well for doing that, which is why they stopped.

Sorry but wrong. Look at CCBill again especially non-US. ACPay are charging $350 through greed and nothing else.

Must admit I may not have been clear enough and if so at fault. I was looking at it from a non-US point of view. However my point is still very valid. ACpay are charging everybody $350. They have no need to at the moment. Again, greed. For a good example of not charging $370, $750 or whatever for non-US go look at CCBill. The money isn't so much the point here as let's face it if you can't afford $350 you shouldn't be in business. However, that doesn't mean you'll want to give someone $350 just to line their pockets further.

It almost looks like AC Pay tried to attract large numbers of webmasters by delaying this announcement. At first, they were extolling the virtues of their fee-less system. Bait & switch? I hope not ...

I guess the boards will be filled with bargains the coming weeks

DynaMite :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

http://www.aclounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=498
Imagine all the people that trusted them, and have affiliates, too, that are going to get fucked?

48

49

Regards,

SexySarah

And 50 it is.

Regards,

SexySarah

50 :BangBang:

Hugs,
p00p

:321GFY

Lick my ring.

Regards,

SexySarah

Suck my scrotum.

Hugs,
p00p

Buy me dinner first.

Regards,

SexySarah

That wouldn't make any sense at all. Who would the "bait and switch" be pulled on? Predominantly, no fee campaigns attract those that aren't as profitable. That is just a fact.

This company doesn't need to be greedy with AC Pay in order to make money; AC Pay or not, we are one of (if not the most) profitable company in the industry to date. Hell, we have banking relations that are larger and more extensive than the processors that are very adored on this board; that is a fact. We definitley have the deepest arsenal of attorneys to protect it.

I realize up front that I will simply get told to "go fuck myself." But that isn't why I avoid posting here.

Take the time to look deep into all of the issues. Honestly, have you ever thought that it might be a bad idea to ramble on these boards about subjects such as this one (among others)?

My guess would be no.

If you want to take the above as sarcastic, feel free; if you want to do real business and you want to discuss ways to make things better, call me up. That is how I do business.

Cory
800 627 2553 ext: 3550

BTW,

Hottoddy, that wasn't a direct post towards you; general.

Atleast your straightforward and honest, do you have icq?

while clients within the United States and Canada will be subject to a $750 fee. For clients doing business within the United States or Canada that have already registered with VISA through an IPSP, the $750 fee will be waived and they need only pay $350, with proper proof of registration. For clients with a certain transaction volume, AC Pay may, at it's discretion, waive some or all of the annual fees, on a per-case basis. Future clients will be required to pay fees to AC Pay before processing can begin. Existing clients will be sent a bill, as necessary.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha=

Hold up a second. I did the paperwork for two different billing companies.

WHEN DID CANADIAN COMPANIES HAVE TO PAY $750.00 TO REGISTER? That sounds a little fishy to me. In fact, Canadian companies can't pay anywhere. Wassup?

In fact, who is AC pay?

AdultCheck

So, how soon until they hammer down on affiliate programs and say only US paysites can have US affiliates?

AdultCheck has better banking relationships than the major processors?

So Adult Check has a processor.

Why is adult check charging canadian webmasters a fee for Visa Regs, when it's common knowledge that Canadian companies cannot register since it's against said Visa Regs?

Anyone?

That is a valid question. As of last week there was no Canadian bank that was acquiring high risk, as evidenced by the CCBill statement regarding their potential for trying to get one that would do it.

Next comment is that if you've paid with Jettis, or paid with Epoch, you still have to pay with CCBill or any other properly registered and compliant processor in order to acquire.

Now, my last and most important question...

Where is ACPay settling their transactions? Are the using a US merchant account? A European one? One somewhere else? They have them all over the world and will be properly acquiring within the regions for the merchants in those regions and will be breaking them down on a region by region basis when they settle?

Because if not, registration fee or not, it seems to me that they would still be in violation of the cross border acquisition policies and would be in danger of having Visa compliance shut them down.

Perhaps I'm wrong here and they've made some kind of incredible deal with Visa that was not offered to any of the other IPSPs, but if I were about to pay them any money, I would want the answers and the proof to these questions.

Because if not, registration fee or not, it seems to me that they would still be in violation of the cross border acquisition policies and would be in danger of having Visa compliance shut them down.

Perhaps I'm wrong here and they've made some kind of incredible deal with Visa that was not offered to any of the other IPSPs, but if I were about to pay them any money, I would want the answers and the proof to these questions.
------------555555555555555------------------

Kimmy,

If this is the case, that ACPays got a better deal, then I could understand everyone flocking to them.

Right now, all I see is some shady stuff. Will someone from ACPays explain this? The 350.00 registration fee that you say a new company has to pay, how much is that for visa regs for current and or future regional charges?

To me it seems they are doing a little self policing before the hammer falls in earnest....Better to be 90% in compliance than 20%.

Pretty curious about what countries they will accept...ie what does "Clients outside of the USA and Canada" mean specifically.

Self policing? Because they weren't registered properly to start with? That doesn't sound like self policing, it sounds like someone trying to get out of a hole.

Who gets this money anyway? They are giving 500 of it to Visa? and the rest to their bank?

I wonder what Visa thinks of this, if they even know.

I also wonder if [email protected] goes anywhere lol.

If you're talking about filing suit against the card associations ...

Well, WSB did that and look at what happened to them. :1orglaugh

IMHO, it's IMPOSSIBLE to know for sure how compliant any processor is these days.

Unfortunately, most of the true facts are not available until it's too late.

Interesting stuff.....

AC Pay - I would like to know the answer to these questions as well. Because even though I wanted to go with AC Pay, I need to know if I would be Visa compliant if I were to use say CCBill or Epoch and AC Pay together.

This is an extremely serious question. I am an EU Merchant and I have set up but not used yet AC Pay as a secondary on EU registered URL's.

Obviously if compliancy is not assured I don't want to be doing this.

This industry is becoming one big :1orglaugh !

It's like every week a new "bend over and take some more rules in the ass" story.

The funny part is like anything the more you make it harder to get the more people want it and will pay through the nose for it.

For sharp operators with creative billing systems, there are going to be some very big, big bucks to be made.

I know I will sound like a shit but I am glad this is happening its a thinning of the herd . Small webmasters will have to pay or get out. The more expensive it gets to get in this business, the more responsible it will get, you will see less of a "I dont give a fuck attitude" when you have skin in the game.

A friend just sent this to me:
from the glo-bill message board....
************************************************
At the current time, Glo-Bill has no plans to charge any registration fees. Glo-Bill remains in full compliance with all the rules and regulations in the region of the world where it processes. Should the rules and regulations change at some future time, Glo-Bill will notify its clients as soon as possible. At the present moment, we do not anticipate any change in the way we conduct our business.
best regards,

Client Relations
Glo-Bill.com

I have one thing to say about this: MPA2

:winkwink:

I think he is talking about other options than credit cards. MPA2 only works if there is companies to process credit cards.

How about gfy requiring a fee to post here so less webmasters could bullshit around? :1orglaugh (not a personal attack towards you Tony)

Besides I don't really wanna contribute to VISA's billion dollars fund raising from adult industry scheme.

I wouldnt mind actually, the tone would be much more business like. I like paying for things, its a excellent filtering process. lol