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theking 05-28-2003 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Webby


Being perceived as a "foe" of the US is an irrelevance to many other nations - they have no axe to grind and have other concerns and priorities to deal with. This "foe" term is.. lets call it one of these simplistic US tools used by the current "thing" in Washington. They are certainly not "foes", but at the same time, on many levels, just cannot trust or deal with the US Admin on ... hate to say this... but *any* subject. This is not a good situation to be in for any country when others have to keep checking the validity of any information from the President's Office. I think most would at least expect that *some* level of truth should come from there.

On repercussions, there are many, many levels and in many areas where this has already started - excluding the increased potential of "terrorist" attack.

A simple example is economic.. in reality, any sane person does not want to see damage to the US in this area. But, in the "real world" when faced with decisions re investment in the US, there is a problem. Even I know of several people who control commercial activities internationally, and they either have acted already or have cut down their involvement in the US. These folks have more money than God *s* - so if I know a couple, there is little doubt there are a lot, lot more thinking the same when it comes to their investors money.

Half the bonds in the US are foreign owned along with 10% of the Wall Street Ponzi Scheme and billions more in various areas. They have already lost, along with many US folks, 50% of their Ponzi Scheme investments due to total lack on controls on corporates within the US, the dismal failure of the SEC and blatant fraud, - although in several instances, it is "legal fraud".
To blame 9/11 for this situation, yes it helped well, and most folks understand this and wipe their faces of the loss, - but in the undercurrent there is a much bigger problem than 9/11.

The Admin have had more than ample chance to demonstate some degree of ability in fiscal policy, but have, literally... totally failed. No "wars" and any rhetoric can cover the real situation.

It is very hard to credit that *anyone* in the Whitehouse can ignore the US economic condition - and wipe it away by the repetitive use of "keywords" in speeches to show concern. ie.. "create jobs", "stong economy", "growth" blah. Sounds like spam to me - search engines ban ya for that shit! :glugglug

There are also reports from several, financially experienced and reputable sources, that this, apparent distruction, of the US economy is intentional of the part of the Admin. Nothing would be a surprise after the track record the Admin have shown - there is always more than meets the eye.

That old totally absurd cliche, "you are either with us or you are against us" or a "foe" just don't hold water. Other nations have more to concern themselves with than bother about the US. At the same time, it is rare to see many that would wish to see any harm done to the US.

Life is more complex than "with or against". The US Admin need to recognize they cannot be limited to the simplistic issuing "threats" and "warnings" to other countries - without general international support and cooperation, there is little left for the US. There is always a load of scrap metal in the form of missles of course, but they don't change the way people and countries think.

What a load of rhetorical BS.

SexySarah 05-28-2003 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by theking


What a load of rhetorical BS.

Post proof.

Regards,

SexySarah

theking 05-28-2003 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by SexySarah


Post proof.

Regards,

SexySarah

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I will not have intercourse with pricks, drugged out kids, the plumb dumb and/or trolls with tiny little dicks.


Scootermuze 05-28-2003 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by theking


What legal problems might you be speaking of?

If he gained support and justification by providing false or inflated information to those who "ok'ed" the war, then he would basically be declaring war through aggression.. with no real reason other than the fact that he didn't like Hussein.. as he stated shortly before the war, "He tried to kill my dad." .. and with that, he could be guilty of war crimes.

The WMD deal was his 'justification for war', yet they've found none. So, to this point, it can be looked at as false justification.

theking 05-28-2003 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze


If he gained support and justification by providing false or inflated information to those who "ok'ed" the war, then he would basically be declaring war through aggression.. with no real reason other than the fact that he didn't like Hussein.. as he stated shortly before the war, "He tried to kill my dad." .. and with that, he could be guilty of war crimes.

The WMD deal was his 'justification for war', yet they've found none. So, to this point, it can be looked at as false justification.

There are several organizations that are already presenting the International Court with legal petitions stating war crimes have been committed by the USA. It is meaningless. The USA is not a signatory thus does not have to comply with the International Court even if indictments were made by the court... and even if the USA were a signatory the USA certainly would not comply with any indictments for war crimes...let alone allowing the President to appear before the court as a war criminal.

Stamm321 05-28-2003 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp


Yeah he was lying and I think he's a horrible fucking president. However anyone who pays attention to world news more than US news would have known he was full of shit long before now. The truth is we were attacking Iraq because they were our easiest target over there and not liked by the rest of the middle east so we could take them over with the least reprucussions, and gain a deal on their oil and oil contracts. But that was just the begining, the bigger picture was to setup a forward base of operation right in the middle of the fucking middle east so we could get directly at Iran, cutting Iran's nuke program will have two effects, 1 it will shut them down from owning nukes, but bigger than that, they are North Korea's #1 customer and we will have eliminated N Korea's #1 customer and their outlet for selling their systems. It pays to be informed, all of this is going to be interesting since we still aren't going after the money supply which is Saudia Arabia, and if we never go after the money, we'll never slow terrorism down. When Bin Laden said he was going to take down America too many of you dumbasses took him literally. All along his plan was to gain control and power of Saudia Arabia and their oil and money as well as the two holyiest muslim sites and he's doing it and we aren't stopping it because of our own greed.

yeah i agree with most of that, and can see some sense in the rest.. so.. whats the theory on why little bush can lie to invade iraq and the press gives him a free pass ???
- should we believe the hippie crackhead theories about the major press outlets being controlled by a few corporations, and those corps are in bed with bush... that does seem a bit too "goverment conspiracy"...and it also gives little bush more credit than he deserves....
so the question remains.. why doesnt the press bust his balls like they should be doing?

Trolleater 05-28-2003 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by SexySarah
Invade Canada

those dastardly canucks have it coming

dope smoking socialists with no army

and even worse - they speak french

rape and pillage


How are we dastardly canucks?

Seems like the US are the ones invading other countries and trying to take them over under false claims.

Americans don't smoke weed? Gimmie a break.

Why do we need a bigger army? To help you fucks more?

Speak French? When it comes down to percentages...More Americans speak Spanish than Canadians speak French...You probably know as much French as I do...if not more.

That was one of your worst posts by far (that I've read).

Maybe you're on the smokey-smokey tonight.

wimpy 05-28-2003 08:23 PM

I may not speak much french but I know enough Chinese to get by in any situation:
KneeHow: Hello
SheeaShai: Thank You
Gandoo: You're an idiot

VegasGirl 05-28-2003 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Bushes 'economic package' has already placed this country in the biggest defict its ever seen (over 400 billion dollars) and is estimated to reach over 7 trillion dollars within 10 years and will cost the US 1 Billion a day in interest alone. This is after Clinton had a 236 billion dollar surplus.


Wonder how long it will take our grandchildren to pay that back??

NBDesign 05-28-2003 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls
No WMD found in Iraq after telling us "We have "solid" evidence Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction."

No al Qaeda found in Iraq after telling us "Saddam Hussein is sheltering al Qaeda terrorists in Baghdad".

Bushes 'economic package' has already placed this country in the biggest defict its ever seen (over 400 billion dollars) and is estimated to reach over 7 trillion dollars within 10 years and will cost the US 1 Billion a day in interest alone. This is after Clinton had a 236 billion dollar surplus.

Richard Cheney divides his time between presiding over a secret government and working as a bag man for Halliburton, which continues to pay him more than a half million dollars a year. The secretary of the Army, Mr. Tom White, is a former high executive of Enron.

You people who back this admin have lost your fucking minds.

He didn't get my vote... fucking theif... His brother gave that election to him... the whole florida thing was a fix.

Fuck bush and Fuck florida.

Joe Sixpack 05-28-2003 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by SexySarah


it's a lost cause

too many fuckwits in the US

So SexySarah is an Australian.

You gave yourself away with the work "fuckwit".... that's a 100% true blue Australianism.

VegasGirl 05-28-2003 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
The cows don't mind as long as they feel that their leader is doing everything he can to protect them and as long as he can keep feeding the fear-fire it will remain this way is my guess...


And you know how we all like to run in a "herd"....

mule 05-29-2003 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by Stamm321


yeah i agree with most of that, and can see some sense in the rest.. so.. whats the theory on why little bush can lie to invade iraq and the press gives him a free pass ???
- should we believe the hippie crackhead theories about the major press outlets being controlled by a few corporations, and those corps are in bed with bush... that does seem a bit too "goverment conspiracy"...and it also gives little bush more credit than he deserves....
so the question remains.. why doesnt the press bust his balls like they should be doing?

Because they're scared. And with good reason...the way things are going, they stand to lose more than their jobs for offering criticism.

mr rick 05-29-2003 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls



Ok, I'll bite. Lets hear how informative you are.

Imformed by being there, nothing more than that. I spent a couple months installing comm infrastrucure at the airport. As far as I know, all we have found is support material indicating a chemical program was active in Iraq until the weeks before the war. Unfortunately, its not the kind of proof that will satisfy many. Highly discouraging.

On a side note, I don't need to see the WMD and fully believe we should take preemptive measures when need be. We can't wait for unfirendly countries to develop weapons that can reach the mainland before we act. North Korea can now reach Cali with nukes. Look up the phsycological profile of the guy with the power to launch...scares the hell out of me. But little we can do since they already have nuclear capability. It changes the poker game.

To further complicate matters, worse than these guys having these weapons, is their willingness to sell it to organizations, not countries, willing to use them. Think Osama would use a WMD if he could get one? I do.

Kapitan Ivanov 05-29-2003 04:10 AM

You are the assholes that voted for him.

evilpurple 05-29-2003 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I'm surprised that the media hasn't been asking these questions:

Where is Osama?
Where is Saddam?
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

US media are a bunch of sheep, and mostly controlled by big corporations who have no interest in seeing Bush humiliated.

It was most noticable during the war, when you'd think you were following two different wars when looking at US (and to a lesser extend UK) media or for news sources from continental Europe for instance.

Even UK media are starting to get significantly more critical - with for instance the Independent leading with "Case for war blown apart" as their top story today. In the rest of Europe the media is quite a big tougher than that...

evilpurple 05-29-2003 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by Stamm321

- should we believe the hippie crackhead theories about the major press outlets being controlled by a few corporations, and those corps are in bed with bush... that does seem a bit too "goverment conspiracy"...and it also gives little bush more credit than he deserves....

Those "hippie crackhead" theories are pretty easy to check. Look up ownership details of the 10-20 largest newspapers, TV stations and radio stations, and you will see that most of them are in fact being controlled by a few multinationals, and it's a relatively easy thing to get personal profiles on the major investors in those companies, most of which stand to make millions through tax cuts etc. thanks to Bush.

And some, like Rupert Murdoch, are infamous for directly interfering in the journalism of the media outlets they own - in Murdoch's case down to the level of refusing to run stories and firing journalists and editors who have presented views he doesn't like. It's worth reading a couple of Rupert Murdoch biographies.

It has nothing to do with government conspiracies, and everything to do with the fact that most major media outlets are owned by corporations with a duty to follow the wishes of their board and shareholders, who have very high likelihood of having personal or economical reasons to stay behind Bush. At least until he becomes unpopular enough that he's a liability in the fight for viewers, listeners and readers - at that point they'll be on him like vultures.

Media is giving people two things: What people will buy, and (secondarily) what will influence society in ways preferred by their major shareholders, who tend to be conservative middle aged rich white men.

evilpurple 05-29-2003 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls



Typical dumbass redneck. Try reading a paper once in a while instead of counting your bullets and you'll find Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

That said, thanks to this little series of invasions of muslim countries, the terrorist organisations probably have a few thousand fresh new recruits eager to try for a repeat performance...

mule 05-29-2003 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by mr rick
North Korea can now reach Cali with nukes. Look up the phsycological profile of the guy with the power to launch...scares the hell out of me.
Same here. Bush also has the power to launch even more of 'em, and that scares me even more...they guy's a fuckwit.

pornjudge 05-29-2003 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by SexySarah
Invade Canada

those dastardly canucks have it coming

dope smoking socialists with no army

and even worse - they speak french

rape and pillage

I dare you guys to come & fuck with our Country, if you do I assure you it will be WW3, All other countries against you! You guys will all fry... You will stand no chance :321GFY

CDSmith 05-29-2003 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by pornjudge
I dare you guys to come & fuck with our Country, if you do I assure you it will be WW3, All other countries against you! You guys will all fry... You will stand no chance :321GFY
Little does the USA know that all Canukistani's are armed with super-soakers filled with battery acid.


We'll corrode your asses back to the ghetto.

wimpy 05-29-2003 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Little does the USA know that all Canukistani's are armed with super-soakers filled with battery acid.


We'll corrode your asses back to the ghetto.

Is that what happened to Detroit?
Canada invaded us but nobody noticed.

gruffy 05-29-2003 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by wimpy


Is that what happened to Detroit?
Canada invaded us but nobody noticed.


All your car parts are belong to us.

LedZep 03-10-2006 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Further more the invasion is less than 90 days old. Come back in three years and post that no WMD materials have been found

No WMD have been found :1orglaugh

tony286 03-11-2006 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LedZep
No WMD have been found :1orglaugh

and no bin laden imagine that.

directfiesta 03-11-2006 12:16 AM

http://www.bartcop.com/mission-accomplished.jpg

:1orglaugh

Yucky Smurf 03-15-2006 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SexySarah
I blame the jews


I wouldnt say it in your words, but yes I agree 100%

unless americans start doing a little work , this country will turn into a prison.

Israel has had nukes since the 50's, hasnt signed any treaty regarding the proliferation...yet the u.n. and the world turns a blind eye.

In europe, it is against the law for ANYONE to publically or privately question the holocaust. Many esteemed historians are in prison now just for saying, " hey the official story is bogus"

Israel also controls americas air waves,phonelines,and defense security systems.


Im actually surprised no one noticed the israeli flag flying on top of the white house.

Hornydog4cooter 03-15-2006 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LedZep
No WMD have been found :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

fatman1 03-15-2006 06:56 AM

hahaha8220;I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'hahaha8221;

-- Bill Hicks

fatman1 03-15-2006 06:56 AM

hmm quotes i pasted seem to produce "hahaha8221" odd.

Manowar 03-15-2006 06:58 AM

this thread rocks

Thumbler 03-15-2006 07:11 AM

wtf do people bump three year old threads?

psili 03-15-2006 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumbler
wtf do people bump three year old threads?

Because the following genius made this comment three years ago:

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Originally Posted by theking
Further more the invasion is less than 90 days old. Come back in three years and post that no WMD materials have been found


BestTEENS 03-15-2006 07:30 AM

aha
rocks

Splum 03-15-2006 07:40 AM

Oh christ shup up already people like any of you can do anything about the current administration. Really what is more harmful to this country is people like you who bitch about Bush and your discontent tearing this country apart. Just shut up and fucking vote. I hate the way this current administration is handling alot of things but you people and your bitching is like a nagging fucking mother in law. Sorry but its true think about it, your bitching on a message board isnt going to do shit. Do it the right way the democratic way VOTE.


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