Website scraping VS "curation"

[Huggles]

Sooo...





If I manually save this video, make a GIF / animation out of it, and post it on my site, that is considered "curation", right?


If I automatically save this video, process it, cut it down to under 10 seconds of video, and post it on my site with a link to the original video, that is considered scraping?


AI busting my balls about this topic and prattling on about "ethics" and "copyright" and all this other bullshit I don't need from its electronic ass!


The world needs content!

[just a punk]

https://www.cyberseo.net/blog/wordpr...al-compliance/

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Sooo...





If I manually save this video, make a GIF / animation out of it, and post it on my site, that is considered "curation", right?


If I automatically save this video, process it, cut it down to under 10 seconds of video, and post it on my site with a link to the original video, that is considered scraping?


AI busting my balls about this topic and prattling on about "ethics" and "copyright" and all this other bullshit I don't need from its electronic ass!


The world needs content!

I think both your definitions are wrong.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I think both your definitions are wrong.

I was on mobile for my initial reply and too busy to elaborate. Here is a follow-up:

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so this is by no means legal advice.

From my understanding, "curation" is when you hand-pick content from an external source and present it (alongside other curated content) in an organized fashion.

For example, a blog post titled "Top 10 best blowjob scenes" where you post clips from various sources in list format. For each scene, you'd write a small blurb about it.

As for the legalities of downloading content, editing it and posting it on your site (with or without a link to the source), you'd have to ask a lawyer what constitutes fair use and what doesn't.




As for "scraping", that's just the act of extracting data from source(s). How you use that data is entirely up to you and outside the definition of scraping.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

https://www.cyberseo.net/blog/wordpr...al-compliance/

By the way, the above article was mainly written by OpenAI based on its knowledge base in jurisprudence. So it's not even my personal POV.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

For example, a blog post titled "Top 10 best blowjob scenes" where you post clips from various sources in list format. For each scene, you'd write a small blurb about it.

If I took 3, 2 second clips of that bull riding in the car and looped those 3 clips together with a link under it to the tweet, is that curation or is that illegal content theft?


I don't see how three, 2 second clips could be considered theft...

[Huggles]

As far as I'm aware, if you are adding something to it, like commentary, then it becomes legal under fair use.

If I took 3, 2 second clips and played them in a sequenced loop with the caption "bulls on parade" or something stupid under the /bizarrenews/ section of my website, it would be fair use.

No?

[Colmike9]

If you like, just copy articles/videos and use them for your sites, that's aggregation and theft. But if you use those things to add value, then that's curation.

cu·ra·tion
noun
"The action or process of selecting, organizing, and looking after the items in a collection or exhibition."

Webster, Merriam. “Curation Definition and Meaning - Merriam-Webster.” Merriam-Webster, 1 Jan. 2023, ww w. merriam-webster .com/dictionary/curation.
(MLA format for citing a website as a source)

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by Colmike9

If you like, just copy articles/videos and use them for your sites, that's aggregation and theft. But if you use those things to add value, then that's curation.

cu·ra·tion
noun
"The action or process of selecting, organizing, and looking after the items in a collection or exhibition."

Webster, Merriam. “Curation Definition and Meaning - Merriam-Webster.” Merriam-Webster, 1 Jan. 2023, ww w. merriam-webster .com/dictionary/curation.
(MLA format for citing a website as a source)

Actually, aggregation is not theft since you’re linking/crediting the source.

What you’re describing is plagiarism.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Actually, aggregation is not theft since you’re linking/crediting the source.

What you’re describing is plagiarism.

Oh cool, I was assuming that the aggregation wasn't citing the source, though.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Actually, aggregation is not theft since you’re linking/crediting the source.

What you’re describing is plagiarism.

Actually, it's not even plagiarism when we talk about RSS. Because the RSS technology format itself is designed to be syndicated. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

RSS (RDF Site Summary or Really Simple Syndication) is a web feed that allows users and applications to access updates to websites in a standardized, computer-readable format. Subscribing to RSS feeds can allow a user to keep track of many different websites in a single news aggregator, which constantly monitor sites for new content, removing the need for the user to manually check them. News aggregators (or "RSS readers") can be built into a browser, installed on a desktop computer, or installed on a mobile device.

Websites usually use RSS feeds to publish frequently updated information, such as blog entries, news headlines, episodes of audio and video series, or for distributing podcasts. An RSS document (called "feed", "web feed", or "channel") includes full or summarized text, and metadata, like publishing date and author's name. RSS formats are specified using a generic XML file.

Although RSS formats have evolved from as early as March 1999, it was between 2005 and 2006 when RSS gained widespread use, and the ("") icon was decided upon by several major web browsers. RSS feed data is presented to users using software called a news aggregator and the passing of content is called web syndication. Users subscribe to feeds either by entering a feed's URI into the reader or by clicking on the browser's feed icon. The RSS reader checks the user's feeds regularly for new information and can automatically download it, if that function is enabled.

So if your site is a news aggregator that imports RSS feeds, that's fair use.

The same goes for various embedded videos like YouTube. The platform provides you with their IFRAME codes specifically for inserting these videos into your articles. There is no message like: "Please steal our content this way". You don't steal it. You share it.

[Colmike9]

Either way, just write your own articles. In the past when I did this, my seo and ratios were much better.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Actually, it's not even plagiarism when we talk about RSS. Because the RSS technology format itself is designed to be syndicated. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:



So if your site is a news aggregator that imports RSS feeds, that's fair use.

The same goes for various embedded videos like YouTube. The platform provides you with their IFRAME codes specifically for inserting these videos into your articles. There is no message like: "Please steal our content this way". You don't steal it. You share it.

Correct. An rss feed is aggregation. Thats the intended use of that tool. The same goes for video Embeds.

However, if you take information from an rss feed and try to pass it off as your own original content, thats plagiarism/theft.

Semantics aside, we’re both trying to say the same thing.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Colmike9

Either way, just write your own articles. In the past when I did this, my seo and ratios were much better.

When I rewrote all the documentation for CyberSEO Pro using ChatGPT, my SEO rankings improved very significantly

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

When I rewrote all the documentation for CyberSEO Pro using ChatGPT, my SEO rankings improved very significantly

Good to know that I can auto-gen articles now without SEs seeing it as spun/duplicate content, I might try it out again lol.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Colmike9

Good to know that I can auto-gen articles now without SEs seeing it as spun/duplicate content, I might try it out again lol.

Google doesn't really care if your content is written by AI or some copywriter in India. Also, you can easily break a GPT-like structure of generated articles using a very simple synonym table that you can create yourself in less than an hour: https://www.cyberseo.net/blog/how-do...der-the-radar/

Take a look at this fake demo site, which automatically generates short stories on custom topics and openly says it's run by robots: https://www.talesfromrobots.com/

It receives a steady SE traffic w/o any efforts.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It receives a steady SE traffic w/o any efforts.

Use AI and bring Thumblogger back lol, I had a little trick on there that I didn't tell anyone and sites got indexed so fast you wouldn't believe it. I made so many signups that the government is still garnishing my wages for taxes that I didn't pay... lol
Fun few years tho, no regrets.

I'll probably be doing some testing with AI this week, though, might as well.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Colmike9

Use AI and bring Thumblogger back lol, I had a little trick on there that I didn't tell anyone and sites got indexed so fast you wouldn't believe it. I made so many signups that the government is still garnishing my wages for taxes that I didn't pay... lol
Fun few years tho, no regrets.

I'll probably be doing some testing with AI this week, though, might as well.

My tube-killer site that I've been working on cannot get a single google ranking at all.


I think because the site design is so new and unique that Google has no idea how it works. Once the site is ready, after figuring out the backend, the coding, the automation, everything else, I'll have to figure out how to even get noticed by the search engines.


Will be much easier to grow my Safe-For-Work version of my tube-killer site, muuuuuuch easier.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Google doesn't really care if your content is written by AI or some copywriter in India. Also, you can easily break a GPT-like structure of generated articles using a very simple synonym table that you can create yourself in less than an hour: https://www.cyberseo.net/blog/how-do...der-the-radar/

Take a look at this fake demo site, which automatically generates short stories on custom topics and openly says it's run by robots: https://www.talesfromrobots.com/

It receives a steady SE traffic w/o any efforts.

I'm having issues generating a synonym table that works properly with adult. And it's not from lack of trying, and I have many years of experience on this shit. I could do it with regular article spinners, but AI throws me a curve with it's randomness and branching off to different things.

Anybody that wants to work on it with me, drop me a line.

[just a punk]

To be honest, the adult niche has a very limited number of words that cover 90% of all descriptions. It should be an easy task for a native speaker. IMHO.

Ironically, all those synonym tables that were on sale for a hundred bucks 15 years ago or so were made by Russians whose English is very far from perfect

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

When I rewrote all the documentation for CyberSEO Pro using ChatGPT, my SEO rankings improved very significantly

It's also easier to understand

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

It's also easier to understand

And that was the saving grace. I used to ask ChatGPT - "People complain that they don't understand my technical language, rewrite this so that it's understandable for the average housewife"