Hmm....for one, I'm no one's "yes man". hell, I'm no man at all.

I didn't say he acted professionally in this. (yes, I now you're not directing the post at me, but I'm answering just for something to do) I think he got the part where he overreacted. But look at things in this manner (no, I'm not excusing him, I'm offering a new look at things.): He hired a bunch of people to do stuff for him. Not all of them came through. I know what it's like to do work for someone and not get paid for it, so I can imagine that it royally sucks balls to pay for something and not get it done.

If EB was unprofessional in this, then so was jellohead by not keeping his/her/its employer notified of what was going on. that's also good business on the freelancer's part. Keep your contractor notified if things are behind schedule, work cannot be completed, something needs clarification, etc. So what if you wentout and got a job, congrats, but you still have a job to finish for this person as well. You can't just take the money and run.

I still have a great deal of respect for EscortBiz. He paid me and I did the work he needed (plus a bit more, but that was my bad, so he got it for free). I'm sorry that anger and stress made him go off like he did, but I'm not going to summarily drop any respect I had for him over an outburst of overreaction on his part.

He knows that he was wrong to overreact, but no one else seems able to drop it. No, instead they keep rubbing it in until it chafes so much that he snaps on someothers as well. Yeah, that's professional. fine, he went overboard. Now shut up and let the guy go on about life. When he cools off enough, I'm sure he'll apologize to whomever deserves an apology.

:2 cents: 100 dammit

Exactly the point that some here dont get.

I never did this before and if I did do it there is a good reason for it.

I pay everyone and live up to my end each and everytime.

But again for those who are pussywhipped or feel the need to bash me because the person I was bitching about is from their country so be it. But one thing for sure I never forget and I always always give the last hit.

For the ones who supported me here or on ICQ, I wont forget.

Err that's not what I meant.

That was to be more of a comical spin on the whole situation :)

But the bottom line is people should do what they say they are going to do when they say they are going to do it. Or in the very least, keep people informed as to what's going on....

No im cooled off hun, I am more then fair and you know that you know I prepaid you might of not been alot but still I am a fair person to everyone.

"But again for those who are pussywhipped or feel the need to bash me because the person I was bitching about is from their country so be it. But one thing for sure I never forget and I always always give the last hit. "


I see, so am i one of these people now?

goBigtime notes that NotJoe is one of the hardest people to have a conversation with on ICQ he has ever met.

I invision him switching between 30 computers that are encoding DVD's and one of them goes "Uh oh!" (ICQ new message sound)... and hes like scrambling to find out which machine got the message.. and after looking on a few of them he just gives up. :1orglaugh

Hes getting better about it lately though.. maybe he got a good KVM switch or something :glugglug

not at all lol

but watch what happenes to some fucks here

I had some great convos with him :)

Its soo true.. but that is what happens when one man is running 10 man show!

I would love to see some work from jellohead.

What the fuck does me being Canadian have anything to do with this? My nationality doesn't change the fact that you're a pretentious asshole with an over-inflated opinion of himself (with apparent and obvious predjudices as well).

Sure, he way have realized that he has overreacted, but he hasn't apologized for it. He still thinks he was justified for what he did. Well guess what, you're not justified. Perhaps the steroids are getting to you and making you tense, because jellohead did nothing wrong.

If you want to think I have this opinion because I'm Canadian (which makes no sense to me), so be it. Keep in mind that LadyMischief is Canadian and doesn't share the same opinion as me.

If you want to lose business over this, so be it. That's your own perogative. It's your money, not mine.

But if you're going to trash someone, by all means, you're entitled to it... IF you can back up yourself up. But you can't, and no one here seems to think that you were justified in acting the way you did.

This whole thread makes you come across as nothing but a poor business man and a big baby.

Go take a course on business practices and them come back and post.

You best not be directing this sort of shit my way chumbly. To my knowledge I am not an affiliate of EB's, nor have I ever done work for him or hired him for anything. Aside from that, I am nobody's "yes" man. Never have been, never will be. The people I choose to support on these forums have done one thing and one thing ONLY to deserve it. They have earned my respect. Period.


Having said that, I do think quite highly of Escrotebiz, so much so that I tease him a little about his name even. The guy has done nothing except be a straight shooter in every post I have seen of his, and his business from what I know of it is a shining example of how professionalism breeds success. I do however get the impression from the ICQ log provided that there must have been some misunderstanding, because it seems on the surface that EB has jumped the gun a bit. The problem here is that none of us were there with him when this happened, so none of us except him knows how it went down.


But hey, as long as he's happy with the actual work, and Jellohead is happy with her payment, then I would suggest that might be the end of it. EB can simply not send any more business her way in the future..... case close, no? Maybe we should probably drop this now rather than continuing into some pissing that might lead to some bad blood that we really don't need.


That's it. Take it or leave it.

I don't think EB is infallible, I was simply stating my experiences with him..

And fucking A I'm Canadian! Roar.

hitting the gym ill be back later :-)

He didn't give her a deadline or a time frame to work in. Both of them have agreed on this. She wasn't behind schedule, and she completed all the work. From what I've gathered in this thread, she did 3 FPAs for him, and he paid he without a problem. Then, on the 20th, he asked her for 5 banners. She did 3 of them the same day and then finished the other two between the 20th and yesterday.

EscortBiz is acting as if she had ignored him for several days or weeks. His attempt to contact her amounted to 2 ICQ messages over the span of 3 days. She didn't answer them because she wasn't there to answer them. So he posted a thread on here looking for her. Obviously, she's not a regualr here. She reg'd in April and has all of 10 posts.

The whole time, she was in contact with his business partner, who was aware of her situation and her other obligations. If his partner doesn't communicate with him properly, that's not the designer's fault. And then after she had sent the banners to him and completed her obligations to him, he gets on ICQ and starts giving her shit. At some point in the conversation, she mentions that she did the work and gave him a good deal. He decides to take this to mean "I gave you a good deal, so I have the right to ignore you" and starts to rip into her even harder, going so far as to post this thread.

Guess what, EscortBiz? You've done nothing but lose business for yourself and drum up a shit load of business for jellohead. Were those your intentions?

Like I said, I've had nothing but respect for him as well, and I don't do business with him either. He's always come across as a good, professional person in the past. But this whole thread reeks of unprofessionalism. He jumped on someone and trashed their reputation before they had the chance to earn one.

My problem isn't so much what he did, but what he isn't doing. Sure, there was a misunderstanding. Shit happens. But he refuses to admit there was a misunderstanding. He's attempting to justify his actions. And he refuses to apologize to her either. It's one thing for him not to do any more business with her, but it's another for him to encourage others not to as well.

Not only does jellohead have ICQ, but she has an email address and a phone number as well. His failure to obtain those contacts, or his failure to communicate with her through those contacts also reeks of unprofessionalism.

And then, when I voice my opinion, he pins it on the fact that I'm Canadian. What the fuck does my nationality have to do with anything? And does he not realize that you and LadyMischief are also Canadian?

ICQ is a piece of shit and VERY unreliable.

If I were doing work for someone and wasn't receiving their ICQ messages, I would be quite pissed to hop along some board that I don't frequent and come across a thread like this.

How two days of missed communication amounted to this thread completely escapes me. It's really quite ridiculous.

I will remain here only for the purpose of comic relief.

I think that is the point that is being missed. He needs to admit he overreacted and apologize and that will be the end of it!

To throw around the fact that he pays has nothing to do with it. Because he throws around money and pays for his work doesn't give him the right to talk to ANYONE the way he did period! I cannot even believe she is here still replying to his posts. I would ignore him FOREVER after this one. That is her right afterall. She doesn't need his "jobs" or his money.

It's not like she's one of his "women" who he pays to have sex with others for a profit. Even they should never be talked to this way!

Makes me wonder what exactly pissed him off and why he keeps throwing the Canadian thing around. No, I'm not canadian I'm from the U.S. I don't know jellohead or frankly anyone on this board on any level except reading and sometimes replying to their posts.

She gave the reason she did not answer his icq which if I remember right was only 1. 1 from him and 1 from Scott. He still talked down to her! I really hope this isn't a case of "She is only a female from canada and means nothing to me cuz I got money, I'm some big pimp in the biz and afterall she is ONLY FEMALE AND CANADIAN AT THAT. And I'll singlehandedly ruin her career lol

And the threats to those that didn't support him? Please give me a break! Even those that may respect him for who he is KNOWS this was wrong, whether they supported him in public or not. Whether they trashed her on the boards and in icq, they know deep down he was in the wrong.

And for those of you that KNOW he was wrong yet publically say he isn't, you're pussies bottomline. You're afraid of him for some unknown reason.

I cannot believe that 1 or 2 "ignored" icq messages came to all of this, it's insane.

All it takes is being a man, admitting he overreacted and saying SORRY! But then most people who overreact and feel foolish later, Don't Have The Balls to admit it publicly even if they know they were in the wrong.

fuckface shut your fuckin mouth already!

read the facts and cut your fuckin bullshit.

lmao I really really thought this line worked with most men..
"Don't Have The Balls"

Resorting to name calling again! I read the facts, the icq logs and all and still, there was NO reason for you to talk to her like she was some whore that you were pimping out. I wish she had ignored you on purpose and said YES I'M FUCKING IGNORING YOU! Because obviously you can't stand not being treated like the royalty that you are :1orglaugh

Seems I hit a nerve, which as they say "the truth hurts"

Here's a little taste of your own medicine.

YOU FUCKFACE CAN KISS MY ASS!!

And since you hate it so much, I will be ignoring your posts until I'm damn ready to read them and if I CHOOSE, reply to them :321GFY

That answering machine is funny

ah but not as funny as yours :Graucho

"You know what dont do business with me and thats it."

HEhe ya can count on that from me.


I promis to never ever ever design for you:)
I hope others make that decision to.

I must be real weird cos I read that transcript and although Jellybabe didn't seem to act particularly professionally, this escortbiz boy seems to get his knickers ina bunch over the wet patch. If that's the worse she did, fuckin' chill out man. Lifes too short.

Ok.....I'm Canadian, just in case some people want to stop reading here :-)

I think EscortBiz' reaction may have been a bit hard a little fast on the ICQ, but I can understand where he is coming from:

1) He pays someone for work, he expects it done.
2) He gives his word on paying, you give your word on delivering.
3) He tries to contact you, you make yourself easily available until your project is done - or advise beforehand if it won't be that way. (in case there were changes he wanted to make before you finish the work)
4) People give little importance to keeping their word, customer satisfaction and support in this business.

I say he was hard a little too fast because she didn't seem to understand what he was getting at until he got pissed.

Anyhow, that's why I prefer to call the people without advising before I send anyone money for anything - just to see how available people are when they aren't expecting business.

:2 cents:

:thumbsup

I liked how amp put it.
"Your the bitch in the back seat for $40.00" referring to work order and load and other paying clients.

Thats a keeper verse if I ever heard one.

I'm not pussywhipped. I don't know jellohead from adam (or eve for that matter...I do think she behaved more professionally than you did though.) I'm from South Africa, I live in Holland, I think you're behaving like an asshole, and I'll never do business with you. So if you think your ego is more important than your reputation, think again. You'll consider me small fry, but this biz is made up of thousands more just like me.

LMFAO you design like shit guys look at that crap :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

way to go
losing credibility with exvery post

He/she designs like shit? I see no portfolio in the sig, what are you talking about? The link in the sig has a couple wallpapers in it, I see no web design.

I assume thats her design, calm down there sly

:eek7

I hope the paid time has been scheduled in advance together with payment terms as well as time for communication, since telecommuting not always does a good job in getting immediate attention with which you have relationship. I understand, not always we have an opportunity to sit and wait until involved party gets back, especially if they carry unknown credibility.

well said

Seems to me, some one jumped the gun on starting this thread.

So, let it is slowly move to back down to the second page so we will not remember it.

EscortBiz, having a hissy fit because she/he didn't respond to an ICQ? And then when she did, you used your 'manly words' and posted here?

GFY, is great to expose the real truth about some one who made a wrong. I won't do it to you because it would hurt some people I know.





:) or :(

My favourite thread of the week is back on top where it belongs.
Don't let it die.
Bring the drama! :glugglug

Canadians always stick together.

Americans don't?

Ever heard of Quebec?

I doubt if nationality is involved. Just an over eager man or women thinking that his shit doesn?t smell.

:)

i think someone was drunk :glugglug

i'm Canadian. and i love the Qber's.

:glugglug

Yupp. Me too
Not that it's anything wrong with being drunk :glugglug

you say you got something to say on me say it, come on lets hear!

Tons of people here do business with me daily, the only ones who have problems are the ones who dont live up to their end of the deal.

But you seem to really have a burning cock over this fuckin thread so say what you got to say lets hear it.

correction just found out so I guess its burning pussy, no need to fuck with me hun.

Good luck

sometimes I feel like some people have pickles up their asses..

jellohead, do you have a portfolio?

Two posts and I have a burning cock. Hum, I am a female. Please address me nicely or accordingly.

:)

Read my corrected post lol

But again you say you got shit to say so say it. If you dont just shut up. Trust me you dont need problems.