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  • brassmonkey
    Pay It Forward
    • Sep 2005
    • 77396

    #1

    Business Whale Cash account closures




    Effective today, all accounts that have had no payout activity in the past 12 months
    will be closed. If you would like to create a new account moving forward, you can apply
    and go through the application process, which involves several steps. This is necessary
    for the continued success of all affiliates and our adult community.
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  • bns666
    Confirmed Fetishist
    • Mar 2005
    • 11554

    #2
    who cash?
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    • Kaos_internet
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2022
      • 191

      #3
      Would have thought trying to get affiliates to do stuff would be more useful than closing accounts, especially from a program that never sent any updates.

      But hey, what do I know
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      • King Mark
        So Fucking Banned
        • Aug 2016
        • 27033

        #4
        That's foul

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        • fuzebox
          making it rain
          • Oct 2003
          • 22352

          #5
          More time to focus on active affiliates who send a lot of sales per day. Makes sense to me.

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          • brassmonkey
            Pay It Forward
            • Sep 2005
            • 77396

            #6
            Originally posted by fuzebox
            More time to focus on active affiliates who send a lot of sales per day. Makes sense to me.
            oh yeah! forget about the free traffic they will get!!!
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            • InfoGuy
              80/20 Rule
              • Apr 2010
              • 3052

              #7
              Originally posted by fuzebox
              More time to focus on active affiliates who send a lot of sales per day. Makes sense to me.
              While that may be true, there are also some struggling companies that are desperate for operating cash. Closing affiliate accounts with positive balances would eliminate a liability from their balance sheet.
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              • jscott
                jscizzle
                • Feb 2001
                • 25412

                #8
                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                oh yeah! forget about the free traffic they will get!!!
                They're blocking traffic from the closed affiliate accounts, link codes go to a blank white page that says:


                "Dear affiliate,
                Your account() is disabled.
                Please contact support team.
                Thanks,
                The Management"

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                • brassmonkey
                  Pay It Forward
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 77396

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jscott
                  They're blocking traffic from the closed affiliate accounts, link codes go to a blank white page that says:


                  "Dear affiliate,
                  Your account() is disabled.
                  Please contact support team.
                  Thanks,
                  The Management"

                  affiliate links
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                  • BAKO
                    https://traffichaus.com/
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 18478

                    #10
                    Smart move
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                    • brassmonkey
                      Pay It Forward
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 77396

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BAKO
                      Smart move
                      yeah if they pay the balances. it's not smart. it's desperation
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                      • DVTimes
                        xxx
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 31658

                        #12
                        Smart possibly.

                        But one suspects this may put new affiliates off from joining.
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                        • fuzebox
                          making it rain
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 22352

                          #13
                          Originally posted by InfoGuy
                          While that may be true, there are also some struggling companies that are desperate for operating cash. Closing affiliate accounts with positive balances would eliminate a liability from their balance sheet.
                          This is clearly not the case with Whalecash.

                          There is no benefit to supporting affiliates who get paid less than once per year

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                          • trevesty
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 3810

                            #14
                            Originally posted by fuzebox
                            This is clearly not the case with Whalecash.

                            There is no benefit to supporting affiliates who get paid less than once per year
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                            • brassmonkey
                              Pay It Forward
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 77396

                              #15
                              Originally posted by fuzebox
                              This is clearly not the case with Whalecash.

                              There is no benefit to supporting affiliates who get paid less than once per year
                              uh
                              Please be advised that we will be retiring all of our PPL offers by end of day
                              wednesday 11/9.

                              All PPL traffic will automatically be migrated to their corresponding PPS offers in our
                              platform.

                              The transition will be seamless and no action is needed on your part.

                              Thanks,
                              Support
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                              • Kaos_internet
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2022
                                • 191

                                #16
                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                uh
                                Please be advised that we will be retiring all of our PPL offers by end of day
                                wednesday 11/9.

                                All PPL traffic will automatically be migrated to their corresponding PPS offers in our
                                platform.

                                The transition will be seamless and no action is needed on your part.

                                Thanks,
                                Support
                                HAHAHAHAHAHA

                                So maybe not so much about those pesky affiliates then.
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                                • fuzebox
                                  making it rain
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 22352

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Kaos_internet
                                  So maybe not so much about those pesky affiliates then.
                                  I mean 99% of affiliate fraud happens on PPL offers, but it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Hopefully you found a new home for all those sales

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                                  • fuzebox
                                    making it rain
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 22352

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                    uh
                                    Please be advised that we will be retiring all of our PPL offers by end of day
                                    wednesday 11/9.

                                    All PPL traffic will automatically be migrated to their corresponding PPS offers in our
                                    platform.

                                    The transition will be seamless and no action is needed on your part.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Support
                                    Sounds to me like they are trying to simplify the business. Less fraud, less shitty affiliates, focus on the moneymakers.

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                                    • brassmonkey
                                      Pay It Forward
                                      • Sep 2005
                                      • 77396

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                      Sounds to me like they are trying to simplify the business. Less fraud, less shitty affiliates, focus on the moneymakers.
                                      meanwhile the larger programs don't bother affiliates
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                                      • FabianC
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 1616

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                        meanwhile the larger programs don't bother affiliates
                                        Who are these larger programs you have such a hard on for?

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                                        • newB
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2006
                                          • 2870

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                          Sounds to me like they are trying to simplify the business. Less fraud, less shitty affiliates, focus on the moneymakers.
                                          Absolutely. And it works both ways. If none of my referred affiliates are making money with them, I'll point them to a better program to promote.

                                          From the affiliate perspective: if you're their affiliate and aren't making money with them, then why not move on. However, if you are one sale away from getting paid and then they cut you, then yeah - I would be upset.

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                                          • 12clicks
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 19813

                                            #22
                                            Fuzebox is right.
                                            It’s not profitable (or smart) to pander to people pretending to be affiliates.
                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                            • Kaos_internet
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2022
                                              • 191

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by fuzebox
                                              I mean 99% of affiliate fraud happens on PPL offers, but it sounds like you've got it all figured out. Hopefully you found a new home for all those sales
                                              Make your mind up is it PPL or SALES?

                                              Side note, I don't give a flying fuck about PPL I've been on revshare for 10 years.

                                              But hey, be judgmental without knowing
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                                              • Kaos_internet
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2022
                                                • 191

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                Fuzebox is right.
                                                It’s not profitable (or smart) to pander to people pretending to be affiliates.
                                                And how smart are the pseudo-programs we've seen disappear over the years:

                                                datetronix, JDI, that Jay guy who may or may not have lost it all in Thailand. lol

                                                Goes both ways, sometimes aff programs fuck affiliates without lube.
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                                                • 12clicks
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                  • 19813

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Kaos_internet
                                                  And how smart are the pseudo-programs we've seen disappear over the years:

                                                  datetronix, JDI, that Jay guy who may or may not have lost it all in Thailand. lol

                                                  Goes both ways, sometimes aff programs fuck affiliates without lube.
                                                  Why would you confuse whale cash with these other unknown programs?
                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                  • 12clicks
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 19813

                                                    #26
                                                    And cutting off dead wood is not “fucking affiliates without lube”
                                                    If you can’t produce, you’re not really an affiliate.
                                                    No matter what you call yourself…….
                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                    • Kaos_internet
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2022
                                                      • 191

                                                      #27
                                                      12clicks you're on my ignore list in case you wanted to tell me something
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                                                      • money biz
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 1016

                                                        #28
                                                        Do these guys have trials over 45$ ?

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                                                        • NoWhErE
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                          • 10583

                                                          #29
                                                          I mean... if you haven't made a sale in 12 months, why would you care if they close your account? You're doing jackshit with them anyways.
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                                                          • brassmonkey
                                                            Pay It Forward
                                                            • Sep 2005
                                                            • 77396

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                            I mean... if you haven't made a sale in 12 months, why would you care if they close your account? You're doing jackshit with them anyways.
                                                            so who gets the archive traffic????? it's not the fucking affiliate
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                                                            • DVTimes
                                                              xxx
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 31658

                                                              #31


                                                              Enya said this would happen years ago.

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                                                              • fuzebox
                                                                making it rain
                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 22352

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                so who gets the archive traffic????? it's not the fucking affiliate
                                                                Archive traffic?

                                                                This isn't the program for you.

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                                                                • brassmonkey
                                                                  Pay It Forward
                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                  • 77396

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                  Archive traffic?

                                                                  This isn't the program for you.
                                                                  never said it was. you always post in anger LOL look at your post above. i have had sales years later from archived pages of domains i don't even own anymore. i gave up on shemale sites. this year i got 3 sales from a domain i used to own years ago.
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                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 19813

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Kaos_internet
                                                                    12clicks you're on my ignore list in case you wanted to tell me something
                                                                    Imagine this nobody dick lick vying for my attention like this.
                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                    • 12clicks
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 19813

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                      never said it was. you always post in anger LOL look at your post above. i have had sales years later from archived pages of domains i don't even own anymore. i gave up on shemale sites. this year i got 3 sales from a domain i used to own years ago.
                                                                      the funny part of this is that you noticed those 3 sales.........
                                                                      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                      • Brian mike
                                                                        #Alberta51
                                                                        • Oct 2014
                                                                        • 8735

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Whalecash closure

                                                                        Dear valued affiliates,

                                                                        It's with a heavy heart to say that we have decided it was time to bring our affiliate program to an end. With the ever changing landscape of our industry, there has become less and less affiliates. Along with this, unfortunately there has been more and more fraudulent traffic. While we did our best to keep up with this, it is simply not viable for us anymore.

                                                                        All operations will cease to exist after this upcoming Friday, December 30th 2022 - at 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.

                                                                        Please remove any and all links pointed at our affiliate program by that date and time, as all links will become a 404 error after 12:00 PM EST. We apologize for the inconveience this may cause you.

                                                                        All remaining balances in affiliate accounts will be paid out immediately after the closure date. This final payment will include all unpaid sales up to that point in time.

                                                                        We greatly appreciate the opportunity we had working with all of our trusted affiliates, and wish you the best into the future.

                                                                        Sincerely,
                                                                        The WhaleCash Team
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                                                                        • brassmonkey
                                                                          Pay It Forward
                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                          • 77396

                                                                          #37
                                                                          a few days notice
                                                                          Originally posted by Brian mike
                                                                          Dear valued affiliates,

                                                                          It's with a heavy heart to say that we have decided it was time to bring our affiliate program to an end. With the ever changing landscape of our industry, there has become less and less affiliates. Along with this, unfortunately there has been more and more fraudulent traffic. While we did our best to keep up with this, it is simply not viable for us anymore.

                                                                          All operations will cease to exist after this upcoming Friday, December 30th 2022 - at 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.

                                                                          Please remove any and all links pointed at our affiliate program by that date and time, as all links will become a 404 error after 12:00 PM EST. We apologize for the inconveience this may cause you.

                                                                          All remaining balances in affiliate accounts will be paid out immediately after the closure date. This final payment will include all unpaid sales up to that point in time.

                                                                          We greatly appreciate the opportunity we had working with all of our trusted affiliates, and wish you the best into the future.

                                                                          Sincerely,
                                                                          The WhaleCash Team
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                                                                          • Webster01
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Apr 2013
                                                                            • 378

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                            a few days notice

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                                                                            • NoWhErE
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Sep 2005
                                                                              • 10583

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                              never said it was. you always post in anger LOL look at your post above. i have had sales years later from archived pages of domains i don't even own anymore. i gave up on shemale sites. this year i got 3 sales from a domain i used to own years ago.
                                                                              This isn't met as an attack on you, so please don't take it personally.

                                                                              From a program's perspective, 3 sales in a year is pocket change. A program like Whalecash internally drives probably 500+ sales a day. I can understand why they would shut down their public affiliate program and (most likely) only keep a select few close partners that drive a dozen sales or more a day.

                                                                              Again, my opinion is purely from a business perspective and experience with programs like WC. It's nothing against you.
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                                                                              • NoWhErE
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                • 10583

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Kaos_internet
                                                                                Side note, I don't give a flying fuck about PPL I've been on revshare for 10 years.
                                                                                If you're talking about Revshare and Whalecash-type programs... then I don't think you ever worked with them.
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                                                                                • brassmonkey
                                                                                  Pay It Forward
                                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                                  • 77396

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                  This isn't met as an attack on you, so please don't take it personally.

                                                                                  From a program's perspective, 3 sales in a year is pocket change. A program like Whalecash internally drives probably 500+ sales a day. I can understand why they would shut down their public affiliate program and (most likely) only keep a select few close partners that drive a dozen sales or more a day.

                                                                                  Again, my opinion is purely from a business perspective and experience with programs like WC. It's nothing against you.
                                                                                  ahhh well cancel the 3 sales... nope they took their cut already like i said the programs that make money don't bother with closures.
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                                                                                  • InfoGuy
                                                                                    80/20 Rule
                                                                                    • Apr 2010
                                                                                    • 3052

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Brian mike
                                                                                    Dear valued affiliates,

                                                                                    It's with a heavy heart to say that we have decided it was time to bring our affiliate program to an end. With the ever changing landscape of our industry, there has become less and less affiliates. Along with this, unfortunately there has been more and more fraudulent traffic. While we did our best to keep up with this, it is simply not viable for us anymore.

                                                                                    All operations will cease to exist after this upcoming Friday, December 30th 2022 - at 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.

                                                                                    Please remove any and all links pointed at our affiliate program by that date and time, as all links will become a 404 error after 12:00 PM EST. We apologize for the inconveience this may cause you.

                                                                                    All remaining balances in affiliate accounts will be paid out immediately after the closure date. This final payment will include all unpaid sales up to that point in time.

                                                                                    We greatly appreciate the opportunity we had working with all of our trusted affiliates, and wish you the best into the future.

                                                                                    Sincerely,
                                                                                    The WhaleCash Team
                                                                                    I never promoted WhaleCash, so I have no horse in this race.

                                                                                    I interpret "closure date" as the closure of the affiliate program and not affiliate accounts. It seems like the recently closed affiliate accounts are going to get nothing and the program owners are only paying their larger affiliates, so they don't burn their bridges.
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                                                                                    • Kaos_internet
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2022
                                                                                      • 191

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                      If you're talking about Revshare and Whalecash-type programs... then I don't think you ever worked with them.
                                                                                      I had an account with whalecash that I never used.

                                                                                      I run revshare elsewhere and have been for 10 years.

                                                                                      But when something smells of fish it usually is fish(y)....
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                                                                                      • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                        Living The Dream
                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                        • 19787

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        When a large Program does this it's not a big deal.
                                                                                        When a small Program does this, run.
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                                                                                        • Retiree
                                                                                          Life is short
                                                                                          • May 2012
                                                                                          • 1479

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                          More time to focus on active affiliates who send a lot of sales per day. Makes sense to me.
                                                                                          This absolutely doesn't make any sense to me. How is it taking up their time to have affiliates not sending sales? What time are they saving when closing their accounts? Its not like they give those affiliates some 24/7 vip service by calling them all day. lol
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                                                                                          • NoWhErE
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Sep 2005
                                                                                            • 10583

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Retiree
                                                                                            This absolutely doesn't make any sense to me. How is it taking up their time to have affiliates not sending sales? What time are they saving when closing their accounts? Its not like they give those affiliates some 24/7 vip service by calling them all day. lol
                                                                                            Open an affiliate program and you’ll see. Those that send you 10% of your sales will take up 90% of your time with useless questions and demands.

                                                                                            The there is the whole dealing with fraud aspect. Thats a HUGE time suck. PPS and PPL programs are always huge targets to scammers
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                                                                                            • Zug
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                              • 109

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Great news for me! Nice Fresh Start

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                                                                                              • brassmonkey
                                                                                                Pay It Forward
                                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                                • 77396

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                                This isn't met as an attack on you, so please don't take it personally.

                                                                                                From a program's perspective, 3 sales in a year is pocket change. A program like Whalecash internally drives probably 500+ sales a day. I can understand why they would shut down their public affiliate program and (most likely) only keep a select few close partners that drive a dozen sales or more a day.

                                                                                                Again, my opinion is purely from a business perspective and experience with programs like WC. It's nothing against you.
                                                                                                i signed up a very long time ago. my account was still there so i added the mp4s on my new site.
                                                                                                Originally posted by Zug
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