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"Do you think alcohol should be illegal?"
In a perfect society it woudl be illegal, but that will never happen. Once people have something they dont want to get rid of it. Its kinda hard to compare alcohol to marijuana because on one hand are people having wine in an expensive restaurant, on the other hand is the lush polishing off a bottle of cheap scotch to get their fix. The only goal of weed is to get stoned off your ass or at least a serious buzz. Ten years from now people might be saying, 'hey, this cocain shit is pretty good, why the hell is it illegal'. Alcohol is a big enough prob. We dont need people thinking smoking a joint is no more different than smoking a cigarette. |
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Check it out! Australia's PM actually disagrees with Bush! This is in today's Sydney Morning Herald.
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The fact that you believe this man is sad. There are several scientific studies which show that this 'doctor' is full of shit. Like this for example....he is speaking about the harmful side effects of marijuana. "These include lung disease, cardiac dysfunction, brain damage, genetic damage, immune disorders and psychomotor impairment." I suppose he is using the study that was done on the monkeys for the brain damage( the one where monkeys were forced to inhale marijuana smoke and nothing else...not even oxygen, so they got brain damage...was a big deal during the reagan administration), but where is he coming up with genetic damage? maybe he should post some studies as well....otherwise it's all bullshit. Here he is still spouting shit about the dangers of inhaled marijuana smoke as opposed to a pill form. "This includes toxic effects on the lungs, additional side effects, and the danger of infection from fungus which is often found in marijuana cigarettes." If it was legal dont you think it would be grown in a safe and controlled environment and therefore we wouldnt have to worry about 'fungus'? additional side effects? you mean the ones that I actually like? that's harmful I guess. When speaking about altnernative medication he promotes the use of drugs which he himself acknowledges to have bad side affects...even if they are mild. "These medications have proven to be safe and effective for both adults and children and generally have only mild side effects." Name a bad side affect of marijuana. Sure, if you inhale it then you are damaging your lungs, but that's your choice not his. But what about the people who make butter out of it and eat some nice SAFE brownies????? Honestly, this whole issue gets on my nerves. The fact that the blind remain blind and are making the rules that those of us who can see have to live by is pathetic. |
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Someone just wants to smoke a joint while they're bedridden with cancer. What's the difference? Who cares anyways if the only point of pot is to get a serious buzz? I sure as shit don't care what people do at home. Sit around in your living room in your undies and smoke pot til you die for all I care. Pot should be treated EXACTLY like alcohol. 21 age limit, established places to smoke (like bars) that require a fairly rigid licensing process, the ability to sit in your house and get as big a buzz as you want, and punishment for smoking then doing something that endangers others (smoking and driving).
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found data for 1999. australia has the highest rate of violent crime per citizen among industrialised nations
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<a href=http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3381>Marijuana Decriminilization Talking Points</a>
TALKING POINT #1: Decriminalizing marijuana frees up police resources to deal with more serious crimes. TALKING POINT #2: Far more harm is caused by the criminal prohibition of marijuana than by the use of marijuana itself. TALKING POINT #3: Decriminalization does not lead to greater marijuana use. TALKING POINT #4: Criminal laws prohibiting marijuana possession do not deter marijuana use. educate yourself.
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'60,000 individuals are behind bars for marijuana offenses at a cost to taxpayers of $1.2 billion per year.
REFERENCE: Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States. 1999. The Federation of American Scientists' Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin. Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only. ' we're doin time to buy new prisons.
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talking points from a pro pot ogranization. Those types of groups push the medical aspect of marijuana so hard to attempt to make it more legitimate.
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Just one more example how this administration favors big business over its people.
Drug companies lobby to keep marijuana illegal because it threatens their multi billion dollar a year synthetics and anything natural cannot be patented (ever wonder why aspirin is so cheap?). Lumber companies fight to keep marijuana illegal because hemp is a better alternative to making paper compared to trees. Companies are making billions a year incarcerating people because of drug violations. Add this in with the companies that make millions off of court ordered drug counseling, government forfeitures, fines, and the government using drug laws as an excuse to violate rights its no wonder pot is illegal. |
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Do you find it worse that a government is trying to use talking points to oppress pot smokers or that some pot smokers are trying to use talking points to be free from government interfere in their own personal business? |
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I don't understand this "perfect society" stuff that keeps coming up.
In a perfect society you should be able to do whatever the hell you want to yourself in the confines of your own home as long as you don't harm anyone else.
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And in any society, spending billions of dollars a year to arrest, try, and imprison Joe Pot Smoker while Joe Dumb Drunk gets to stumble down to the bar and get loaded up is aninine.
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because to be honest, I've been smoking mary jane almost daily for 9 years, and have yet to commit a crime other than the fact that i smoke marijuana. oh, and i havent harmed myself or others at all in those 9 years in case you are worried ![]() |
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Tried to grow tobacco lately? It's almost as illegal as pot. They simply want control of certain industries at all costs. ![]()
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ok....statistics..... so do they state how many people commited crimes while under the influence of marijuana? and how do they tell that someone is under that influence? drug test? also, just making up numbers here.... if 70% of the people that commit crimes are under the influence of some drug, but only 20% of the people using drugs are commiting crimes, does that mean drugs should be illegal? |
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This was written by your own government not some pro-pot org. <a href=http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm><The Report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding Commissioned by President Richard M. Nixon, March, 1972</a> read you fools.
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Your points are all irrelevant. It's obvious that misuse of alcohol lands you in jail. Your stunning grasp of the obvious is simply astounding.
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'March 22nd marks the 30th anniversary of the release of the report of the so-called "Shafer Commission" -- the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse -- whose members were appointed by then-President Richard Nixon. The Shafer Commission's (named after commission Chair, Gov. Raymond Shafer of Pennsylvania) 1972 report, entitled "Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding," boldly proclaimed that "neither the marihuana user nor the drug itself can be said to constitute a danger to public safety" and recommended Congress and state legislatures decriminalize the use and casual distribution of marijuana for personal use.'
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