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  • Klen
    • Aug 2006
    • 32234
    #1

    Practical usage of symphony/laravel ?

    There is so much fuss about these two PHP frameworks, yet i still do not see what is so special about them.

    Did anyone wrote some code with them? Actual examples are usually better then documentation.
    Tags: actual, code, documentation, examples, frameworks, fuss, php, practical, special, symphony/laravel, usage, wrote
    • Tube Ace
      So Fucking Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 4941
      #2
      I developed VendBits https://vendbits.com on Laravel which utilizes the Model-View-Controller (MVC), an architectural pattern that separates an application into three main logical components: the model, the view, and the controller.

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        • blackmonsters
          Making PHP work
          • Nov 2002
          • 20992
          #3
          The most practical thing to do with Laravel is to burn it in a hole and run the other way.

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            • Tube Ace
              So Fucking Banned
              • Nov 2008
              • 4941
              #4
              Originally posted by blackmonsters
              The most practical thing to do with Laravel is to burn it in a hole and run the other way.

              So what other solutions do you suggest instead?

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                • NoWhErE
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 10583
                  #5
                  I prefer to use Visual Basic for my programming needs.
                  skype: lordofthecameltoe

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                    • blackmonsters
                      Making PHP work
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 20992
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Tube Ace
                      So what other solutions do you suggest instead?
                      If you like it then keep using it.
                      I don't want anything else to do with after using it to implement AgeID for clients.

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                        • sarettah
                          see you later, I'm gone
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 14330
                          #7
                          Originally posted by NoWhErE
                          I prefer to use Visual Basic for my programming needs.
                          QBASIC for the win.

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                            • Klen
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 32234
                              #8
                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                              The most practical thing to do with Laravel is to burn it in a hole and run the other way.

                              I trying to understand here why it is so popular, hence asking question.

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                                • blackmonsters
                                  Making PHP work
                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 20992
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Klen
                                  I trying to understand here why it is so popular, hence asking question.
                                  Because like every "Framework" it's the easiest and the bestest and biggly fucking awesome and you don't need to know anything to use it.
                                  People buy into that hype and resell it to another fool.

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                                    • Alphagamma666
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                                      • Oct 2021
                                      • 3
                                      #10
                                      because Laravel is like apple, it just fucking works. All other languages are about trends and the latest bs framework. JS ecosystem is a fucking mess. I don't about adult, but Laravel is a big money maker for shopify developers.

                                      If you about your money, PHP is the shit.

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                                        • Tube Ace
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Nov 2008
                                          • 4941
                                          #11
                                          ^ Exactly. Laravel is a robust system and makes web development using PHP enjoyable. It's currently on version 9. Taylor built a great product. The feeble minded can't comprehend how to use it properly and their dismissal of it shows their incompetence.

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                                            • blackmonsters
                                              Making PHP work
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 20992
                                              #12
                                              Feeble minded programmers need frameworks.
                                              The rest of us just pull up our own code libraries.

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                                                • blackmonsters
                                                  Making PHP work
                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 20992
                                                  #13
                                                  Codeigniter used to be hyped as the best

                                                  Top 10 Alternatives to CodeIgniter
                                                  Angular.
                                                  Laravel.
                                                  CakePHP.
                                                  Symfony.
                                                  Yii.
                                                  Slim Framework.
                                                  Phalcon.
                                                  Laminas Project (formerly Zend Framework)


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                                                    • Tube Ace
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Nov 2008
                                                      • 4941
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                      Feeble minded programmers need frameworks.
                                                      The rest of us just pull up our own code libraries.

                                                      What libraries have you made? Show me just one of your many marvels of software engineering.


                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                      Codeigniter used to be hyped as the best

                                                      Top 10 Alternatives to CodeIgniter
                                                      Angular.
                                                      Laravel.
                                                      CakePHP.
                                                      Symfony.
                                                      Yii.
                                                      Slim Framework.
                                                      Phalcon.
                                                      Laminas Project (formerly Zend Framework)


                                                      Of course you have to google and copy/paste your weak ass reply.

                                                      Laravel dominates its competition for PHP/backend frameworks.



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                                                        • Tube Ace
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Nov 2008
                                                          • 4941
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                          If you like it then keep using it.
                                                          I don't want anything else to do with after using it to implement AgeID for clients.

                                                          Do you not know how to use Composer to import github repos?

                                                          https://github.com/AgeID/php-encryption-lib

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                                                            • Rebel D
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                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 3913
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Klen
                                                              yet i still do not see what is so special about them.
                                                              https://inertiajs.com/partial-reloads

                                                              https://laracasts.com/series/build-m...ng-inertia-js/

                                                              https://jetstream.laravel.com/

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                                                                • Tube Ace
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                                                                  • Nov 2008
                                                                  • 4941
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I love these timeline charts

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                                                                    • baodb
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                                                                      • Jan 2021
                                                                      • 103
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                      Feeble minded programmers need frameworks.
                                                                      The rest of us just pull up our own code libraries.

                                                                      Sounds like you develop code like its 1998, do you run them on PHP3?

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                                                                        • Tube Ace
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                                                                          • Nov 2008
                                                                          • 4941
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Nothing to see here, folks. Just bm embarrassing himself... again.

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                                                                            • Tube Ace
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                                                                              • Nov 2008
                                                                              • 4941
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Laravel's creator isn't doing too badly.



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                                                                                • k0nr4d
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                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                  • 9231
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by baodb
                                                                                  Sounds like you develop code like its 1998, do you run them on PHP3?
                                                                                  The thing is that there's now ALOT of shit programmers that rely ENTIRELY on frameworks and can't do squat in PHP. I have run into tons when hiring where, if asked, cannot code anything from scratch. If you put them in front of clean php they look like a deer in front of headlights.
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                                                                                    • blackmonsters
                                                                                      Making PHP work
                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 20992
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                      The thing is that there's now ALOT of shit programmers that rely ENTIRELY on frameworks and can't do squat in PHP. I have run into tons when hiring where, if asked, cannot code anything from scratch. If you put them in front of clean php they look like a deer in front of headlights.
                                                                                      Please, stop telling the truth, it only makes people mad.


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                                                                                        • Tube Ace
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                                                                                          • Nov 2008
                                                                                          • 4941
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          If you're building a house, would you buy standard lumber sizes from a store or chop down trees yourself?



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                                                                                            • k0nr4d
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                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                              • 9231
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Tube Ace
                                                                                              If you're building a house, would you buy standard lumber sizes from a store or chop down trees yourself?
                                                                                              That's a really, really bad comparison man. We're talking more design your own house vs pre-fab. Symphony is still PHP, and still at it's core just wrapping php functions.
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                                                                                                • Tube Ace
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2008
                                                                                                  • 4941
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  My point is, it's about standardization and rapid development/deployment. There's no point in re-inventing the wheel.

                                                                                                  Yes, it's nice to be able to code as close to binary/machine languages, but it's not necessary for many people to develop those skills.

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                                                                                                    • VladS
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2008
                                                                                                      • 1459
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Oh here we go

                                                                                                      IMHO it really depends on the project itself - both worlds have their pros and cons.

                                                                                                      For example, MechBunny itself is like a little framework where we build a lot of sites on top of it - not neccesarily being tubes.

                                                                                                      I like to code my own stuff from the ground up, however as Konrad's script takes care of 99% of a project requirements, i usually just use that and buiild / modify on top of it - the same it goes with frameworks - it gets the job done and also when we talking maintenance when you have a project built on a known framework, it is easier to change developers versus having some custom written code that would need rewritten most of the times
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                                                                                                        • Kittens
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                                                                                                          • Jan 2016
                                                                                                          • 1440
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Are ya'll seriously arguing over a framework? looooool.

                                                                                                          Use it or don't. Go find something more important to spend brain cycles on than to bitch about what someone else wants to use.

                                                                                                          That being said, made a ton of money thanks to Laravel, but I haven't written PHP in almost a decade. Full stack JavaScript now, where I make a metric fuck ton more money.

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                                                                                                            • baodb
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                                                                                                              • Jan 2021
                                                                                                              • 103
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                              The thing is that there's now ALOT of shit programmers that rely ENTIRELY on frameworks and can't do squat in PHP. I have run into tons when hiring where, if asked, cannot code anything from scratch. If you put them in front of clean php they look like a deer in front of headlights.
                                                                                                              That is true but I don’t think it has anything to do with using frameworks or not, there is just a lot of incompetent idiots out there and by chance many will be programmers.

                                                                                                              If someone comes to me and says he is better developing the application with whatever business logic it needs and all the basics like database connectors, variable sanitation, routing etc themselves I know for a fact that at best they will take 10x the time to get it done which is wasteful or at worst they will deliver unusable shit because they do not know what they do.

                                                                                                              That is the big issue with developers, they all think they are smart and want to reinvent the wheel. I am a developer, I don’t know if I am overly smart or not but I know I do not have the time in my life to write every simple basic shit myself when there is frameworks doing it for me so I can focus on writing code that actually matters…

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                                                                                                                • Colmike9
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                                                                                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                  • 7217
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Laravel usually loads a bit faster than Symphony
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                                                                                                                    • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by baodb
                                                                                                                      That is true but I don’t think it has anything to do with using frameworks or not, there is just a lot of incompetent idiots out there and by chance many will be programmers.
                                                                                                                      I will not argue that there are ALOT of incompetant psuedo-developers, the salaries of which have been driven up like crazy by outsourcing companies to the point where someone with zero experience, zero knowledge of programming labels themselves a "programmer" and gets hired by them.

                                                                                                                      I will however point out that those that worked only in frameworks in my experience didn't even understand the basic fundamentals of web development. They didn't understand how to prevent against SQL injection, XSS, etc. They had at most a vague understanding that these things exist but not how to exploit them or prevent them. They are lacking a lot of knowledge that they should have but don't.
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                                                                                                                        • baodb
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                                                                                                                          • Jan 2021
                                                                                                                          • 103
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                          I will not argue that there are ALOT of incompetant psuedo-developers, the salaries of which have been driven up like crazy by outsourcing companies to the point where someone with zero experience, zero knowledge of programming labels themselves a "programmer" and gets hired by them.

                                                                                                                          I will however point out that those that worked only in frameworks in my experience didn't even understand the basic fundamentals of web development. They didn't understand how to prevent against SQL injection, XSS, etc. They had at most a vague understanding that these things exist but not how to exploit them or prevent them. They are lacking a lot of knowledge that they should have but don't.
                                                                                                                          I don't see this as a problem and rather the intention of frameworks. From a project management POV I do not want every developer to know about these topics in great detail. The security aspect of an application is within the scope of a dedicated security engineer, if you do not have one (which many projects/business do not have) that is the very point of using a framework which will safeguard against the biggest issues WITHOUT your developers having to understand and mitigate those risks themselves.

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                                                                                                                            • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by baodb
                                                                                                                              I don't see this as a problem and rather the intention of frameworks. From a project management POV I do not want every developer to know about these topics in great detail. The security aspect of an application is within the scope of a dedicated security engineer, if you do not have one (which many projects/business do not have) that is the very point of using a framework which will safeguard against the biggest issues WITHOUT your developers having to understand and mitigate those risks themselves.
                                                                                                                              Then we differ here because for me a developer should know as much as possible about what they are doing, otherwise they are just building shit out of lego blocks.
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                                                                                                                                • baodb
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Well there is not only one typ of developer right, I'd much rather work with one brilliant backend and have a great security engineer than have one guy who "knows as much as possible" but does nothing really well and takes ages to get any production code out of the door

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                                                                                                                                    • Colmike9
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                                                                                                                                      • 7217
                                                                                                                                      #34
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                                                                                                                                        • plsureking
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                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 4905
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          every open source package has exploits and is continuously being penetration assaulted.



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                                                                                                                                            • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by baodb
                                                                                                                                              Well there is not only one typ of developer right, I'd much rather work with one brilliant backend and have a great security engineer than have one guy who "knows as much as possible" but does nothing really well and takes ages to get any production code out of the door
                                                                                                                                              If a corporate setting, sure. In Adult, most of the people involved here are singular webmasters. Even us, who produce code for a living for the adult industry, can't justify having a single separate guy handling JUST security stuff and it makes more sense for our staff to know about sql injection etc.
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                                                                                                                                                • machinegunkelly
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rebel D
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                                                                                                                                                    • blackmonsters
                                                                                                                                                      Making PHP work
                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 20992
                                                                                                                                                      #38
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                                                                                                                                                      You should be able to crank those 2 scripts out in a week using Laravel.

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                                                                                                                                                        • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 38944
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                          otherwise they are just building shit out of lego blocks.


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                                                                                                                                                            • Kittens
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2016
                                                                                                                                                              • 1440
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                              I will not argue that there are ALOT of incompetant psuedo-developers, the salaries of which have been driven up like crazy by outsourcing companies to the point where someone with zero experience, zero knowledge of programming labels themselves a "programmer" and gets hired by them.

                                                                                                                                                              I will however point out that those that worked only in frameworks in my experience didn't even understand the basic fundamentals of web development. They didn't understand how to prevent against SQL injection, XSS, etc. They had at most a vague understanding that these things exist but not how to exploit them or prevent them. They are lacking a lot of knowledge that they should have but don't.
                                                                                                                                                              I have nothing but respect for you, but there's some glaring issues I'm noticing here.

                                                                                                                                                              You're wanting someone who can do the job of MANY people. Understandable, this is an interesting thing I learned after leaving adult. Nowhere else is this type of thing expected. People focus on a subset of the overall problem and make sure they do that thing great. In adult "I want someone who knows the database, deployment target, security, design marketing and anything else, and I want them to be flawless in all of it!!"

                                                                                                                                                              But you know what is the biggest problem? Nobody in this fucking industry wants to pay the cost of having someone like that. So what happens? They hire someone who talks out of their ass, get's screwed over because that person charged a low rate that satisfied this person and got left screwed over.

                                                                                                                                                              Not to toot my own horn but I spent a long fucking time learning and gaining those skills, thankfully they're in heavy demand outside of adult... But they pay for it.

                                                                                                                                                              If I got an email from an adult person wanting me to do all of that shit, I wouldn't even respond to the email without a non-refundable deposit of $50k.

                                                                                                                                                              You gonna pay 50k for that? Doubtful.

                                                                                                                                                              That being said, I'm a former heavy contributor to Laravel and the ecosystem and have built my own frameworks to get the understanding of everything, and can do almost anything at scale in PHP. But will I write 100% vanilla PHP?

                                                                                                                                                              That 50k price tag just went up to $200k.

                                                                                                                                                              Basically what I'm saying is, you get what you pay for, and frankly this industry is bottom of the barrel pricing, everyone thinks they know everything and the people "paying" think that their $1k for 400 hours of work is "generous". Real engineers would laugh in your face coming sideways at them like that shit.

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                                                                                                                                                                • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Kittens
                                                                                                                                                                  You're wanting someone who can do the job of MANY people. Understandable, this is an interesting thing I learned after leaving adult. Nowhere else is this type of thing expected. People focus on a subset of the overall problem and make sure they do that thing great. In adult "I want someone who knows the database, deployment target, security, design marketing and anything else, and I want them to be flawless in all of it!!"
                                                                                                                                                                  I disagree man. Maybe in the corporate world, or in much larger mainstream projects it's the norm, but we don't go much further then segregating front end and backend developers. I simply have an expectation that a backend developer will at least know the basics of security. A good web dev should know at least a good bit about everything involved along the line. They should know how an httpd works, how browser headers work, etc. Otherwise they are just a mindless drone.

                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not saying every programmer has to be a professional penetration tester, but to put it into a comparison - I would expect a car mechanic to know how a transmission works but wouldn't necessarily expect a normal mechanic to be able to rebuild one.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • plsureking
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4905
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                                      I disagree man. Maybe in the corporate world, or in much larger mainstream projects it's the norm, but we don't go much further then segregating front end and backend developers. I simply have an expectation that a backend developer will at least know the basics of security. A good web dev should know at least a good bit about everything involved along the line. They should know how an httpd works, how browser headers work, etc. Otherwise they are just a mindless drone.

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not saying every programmer has to be a professional penetration tester, but to put it into a comparison - I would expect a car mechanic to know how a transmission works but wouldn't necessarily expect a normal mechanic to be able to rebuild one.
                                                                                                                                                                      yea adult sites are small projects. even one with a network of sites, member/transaction management, streaming video, a cdn, and a backend to manage it is a small project.

                                                                                                                                                                      budgets are small too.

                                                                                                                                                                      there's a few big projects with big teams, but that's pretty rare.

                                                                                                                                                                      this reality is well understood by those who spent their career (20+ years) developing for the adult industry. we're usually the sole team member on most projects.

                                                                                                                                                                      developers who spent their whole career in adult usually know the entire stack top to bottom and sideways. we know many different packages and built our own. there's at least a couple dozen of us here at gfy.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kittens
                                                                                                                                                                      Basically what I'm saying is, you get what you pay for, and frankly this industry is bottom of the barrel pricing, everyone thinks they know everything and the people "paying" think that their $1k for 400 hours of work is "generous". Real engineers would laugh in your face coming sideways at them like that shit.
                                                                                                                                                                      "real engineers"

                                                                                                                                                                      yea we're just smut peddlers

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                                                                                                                                                                        • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                          yea adult sites are small projects. even one with a network of sites, member/transaction management, streaming video, a cdn, and a backend to manage it is a small project.

                                                                                                                                                                          budgets are small too.

                                                                                                                                                                          there's a few big projects with big teams, but that's pretty rare.

                                                                                                                                                                          this reality is well understood by those who spent their career (20+ years) developing for the adult industry. we're usually the sole team member on most projects.

                                                                                                                                                                          developers who spent their whole career in adult usually know the entire stack top to bottom and sideways. we know many different packages and built our own. there's at least a couple dozen of us here at gfy.
                                                                                                                                                                          Very well put. We aren't working for Google. We don't have the luxury of a $45mil budget to make a paysite so we can hire a separate senior developer to handle the pressing of each individual letter on a group keyboard. We have to know everything about everything, top to fucking bottom, from how the webserver is configured to how the db is configured to how the postbacks from specific billers work because the budgets don't usually allow or require dozens of people working on a single site.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Kittens
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2016
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                                              Very well put. We aren't working for Google. We don't have the luxury of a $45mil budget to make a paysite so we can hire a separate senior developer to handle the pressing of each individual letter on a group keyboard. We have to know everything about everything, top to fucking bottom, from how the webserver is configured to how the db is configured to how the postbacks from specific billers work because the budgets don't usually allow or require dozens of people working on a single site.
                                                                                                                                                                              I didn't say you had to hire 3000 engineers to build a porn site. I said you want someone who does the work of 10 people but want to pay them chump change for it.

                                                                                                                                                                              No wonder ya'll get fucking scammed so much.

                                                                                                                                                                              But hey, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

                                                                                                                                                                              I am not google, but I still budget about $20k/mo just for engineering on my products.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • plsureking
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Kittens
                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't say you had to hire 3000 engineers to build a porn site. I said you want someone who does the work of 10 people but want to pay them chump change for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  No wonder ya'll get fucking scammed so much.

                                                                                                                                                                                  But hey, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not google, but I still budget about $20k/mo just for engineering on my products.
                                                                                                                                                                                  i don't make any budgets. the clients make the budgets. am i going to tell them i can't work for them because someone on gfy spends more?

                                                                                                                                                                                  i have clients who think $49 a month for a hosted cms is a lot. i also have clients who spend a lot more (and make a lot more).

                                                                                                                                                                                  if you want to be a service provider in adult, you can't have your nose up in the air.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • baodb
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2021
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                                                      Very well put. We aren't working for Google. We don't have the luxury of a $45mil budget to make a paysite so we can hire a separate senior developer to handle the pressing of each individual letter on a group keyboard. We have to know everything about everything, top to fucking bottom, from how the webserver is configured to how the db is configured to how the postbacks from specific billers work because the budgets don't usually allow or require dozens of people working on a single site.
                                                                                                                                                                                      But then once again you're just wasting your time with that mindset. I don't need to know every bit top to fucking bottom when I can just pay AWS 5 dollars a month to do my webserver and database? I mean its just ridiculous to want to handle all parts of engineering, security and devops in one person. If you think you do all of that and you do a good job at it you're, no offence, delusional.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Kittens
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2016
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                          i don't make any budgets. the clients make the budgets. am i going to tell them i can't work for them because someone on gfy spends more?

                                                                                                                                                                                          i have clients who think $49 a month for a hosted cms is a lot. i also have clients who spend a lot more (and make a lot more).

                                                                                                                                                                                          if you want to be a service provider in adult, you can't have your nose up in the air.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Actually yes you can. And I do it all the time. I just left a $200k/yr job because I didn't like the tone VPoE had in a slack DM.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I mean sure if you are in financial need then that's different, but we're not talking about someone taking a $120 coding job because it's better than nothing and they have rent to pay soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                          But anyway, this mentality of "I shouldn't pay for a service based on market rates because I'm cheap" is pretty unique to this industry only.

                                                                                                                                                                                          So I guess, enjoy working for $15/hr programming my guy. I'll enjoy sitting on the beach in the Bahama's for a week with a fruity drink in my hand knowing that I don't have to worry or be hunched over my desk for 23.5hr a day coding to make ends meet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • VladS
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              We're years behind tech wise compared to mainstream and that's a fact. There are exceptions, but those are rare.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The problem is that ok, we get to the "jack of all trades, master of none" idea, but you do really need to have a global understanding of how everything works in order to be a good dev and i do agree that the ideal is to have a dedicated team and delegate tasks, however that really does not happen in adult and 99% of the time it's design (HTML, CSS) part and the backend (coding) part and that's that.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Also the saying "porn pays more for coding" is false, the coding costs are a joke compared to mainstream - we charge 2-3K for a paysite (design, coding, setup, custom features, billers, etc...) - basically everything A to Z from the ground up - and that's considered expensive.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Kittens
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2016
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by VladS
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also the saying "porn pays more for coding" is false, the coding costs are a joke compared to mainstream - we charge 2-3K for a paysite (design, coding, setup, custom features, billers, etc...) - basically everything A to Z from the ground up - and that's considered expensive.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I paid $2k for a template in stock Tailwind CSS that I ended up not using... 2-3K budget for all that in a mainstream environment would get you laughed at by everyone but the $5/hr coder on Upwork bidding on your project at bottom of the barrel prices.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by baodb
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I mean its just ridiculous to want to handle all parts of engineering, security and devops in one person. If you think you do all of that and you do a good job at it you're, no offence, delusional.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      The guy has been doing exactly that for 20 years and thousands of websites/paysites use his software.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have never seen a post on here that his software was hacked, slow, or bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You are delusional to call him delusion of about the last 20 years of his life.

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