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nuclei 05-21-2003 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goodgirl


Too many mix ups in your story to even bother with.

And he came in Before I got someone else to fix it.

You know as usually, showing your lack of interest to support your script, lead me to have someone else do it. Which is why I had to have modifications done in the first place. Just the first time it took me months of your lack of support to get the modifications done by someone else. Now I just go right to having someone else do it, when you many excuses come up.

Fortunately I learn from my mistakes. Apparently you don't.

Again for the record, I didn't make any modifications to the script. Your tech charged me to install it, after the install, most of it didn't work.

I am sorry, what did you just say about the modifications?

Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl
[04:04] <05_goodgirl_> lets see, when it does totals for webmaster referal sales, it credits it to the webmaster instead of the one that refered him. In the webmaster stats. But it does it right in the Admin stats.
[04:05] <05nuclei> and who has been editing the script?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> It looks like it is supposed to cookie but now it is just running on token passing. How do we change that?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> Taz



and from the coders:

[17:05] <05Foz> blech.. hashref.
[17:05] <05Foz> # -- Set the cookie -----------Added by tanya
[17:05] * Foz tries to recall a coder named tanya and fails.
[17:05] <05Foz> this doesn't bode well. They've been in the code.
[17:08] <05gz> hmmm
[17:09] <05gz> goodgirl HAS been trying to fix this stuff herself
[17:09] <05Foz> My sister has 3. Gender biasses.
[17:09] <05gz> i have the emails
[17:09] <05gz> so yeah...they been diggin in the code
[17:10] <05Foz> dotmpl2("$basedir/scripttemplates/ccbill/signup.html", "text/html");
[17:10] <05Foz> ok.. I gfotta go in there..
[17:12] <05Foz> wtf...
[17:12] <05Foz> hrmmm.. ok
[17:13] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plati...php&user1=%sid"
[17:13] <05Foz> who the hell is that?
[17:13] <05nuclei> no idea
[17:13] <05nuclei> maybe a sponsor?
[17:13] <05nuclei> flyntdigital is hustler aint it?
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah.. but %sid is the referal token.
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah
[17:14] <05Foz> why the hell is she passing to an affiliate from the signup page ?
[17:14] <05nuclei> maybe their way of tracking something to sponsors
[17:14] *** gz is now known as gz|TheSunIsReal
[17:14] <05nuclei> who knows
[17:14] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plati...ppj,&user1=170
[17:15] *** pls ([email protected]) has joined #adultdesignz
[17:15] <05Foz> ok.. so.. an affiliate of an affiliate...
[17:15] <05Foz> geez.. wonder why this isn't working so far.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: she's trying to tie in another affiliate program into tavspro.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: I don't see how this is our issue.
[17:17] <05nuclei> all we care about is our fraud checker
[17:17] *** gz|TheSunIsReal ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:17] <05Foz> Good.
[17:18] <05Foz> the fraud checker works now.
[17:18] * Foz logs off



Case closed.

nuclei 05-21-2003 03:42 AM

Got real quiet alla sudden didnt it

Tipsy 05-21-2003 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei
Got real quiet alla sudden didnt it
Strange concept I know, but people sleep. Quite a normal practice really.

nuclei 05-21-2003 03:54 AM

yep. hell I even passed out for almost 3 hours earlier :winkwink:

goodgirl 05-21-2003 04:36 AM

Yes Taz worked on the Script, I said I went to somebody after waiting for months for you guys to work on it. I got lucky enough to find him. And even asked Ryan about him, he said he is good and he himself had hired him to work on the script a few times. But you read what you need, instead of the truth.

And you know, I was wrong, I do have my earlier emails.

enjoy, and if you have any questions call or email.

Ryan Kinnear
BAK Web Design, Inc.
Owner - Webmaster
Free Phone#: 1-877-7BAKWEB (Only in the US)
International#: 602-978-4476
E-mail: [email protected]
ICQ: 62159993

-----Original Message-----
From: Jaime Cross [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: (Fwd) Notification of Payment Received


send her totalavspro plz tnx


------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:08:44 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Notification of Payment Received

This email confirms that you have received a Payment
for $2200.00 from Synergy Design & Technologies
([email protected])
View the details of this transaction online at:
https://www.paypal.com/vst/id=9M7288203Y076444B
------------------------------
Payment Details:
------------------------------

Amount: $2200.00

Hello Tanya,

Your order has been received and approved by our
processor and one of our customer service reps
will be contacting via telephone to voice verify
your sale. At that point the representative will
also email your script to you and make sure you
either understand how to set it up or help you get
scheduled for an install.

Your purchase info is below for your review.

Product: PerlCoders Membership
Price: 300.00

Thank you for your patronage,

PerlCoders Staff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Support" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: Your email


> This is an automated response. We have received your email and
> will get back to you as soon as possible.
>
> If you wish to check the status of your request, you can go to http://support.perlcoders.com/status.cgi and login with your email address ([email protected]) and this job ID number (101).


Hello,

If you pass me your servers login information, i should be able to
get it to you as soon as tomorrow. I'll need MySQL and shell login
information as well as FTP, thanks.

-----
jonathan scalf
technical support
perlcoders.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Webmistress" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: TotalAVSpro


I just purchased totalavspro today. If you installed, about how long would
that take to do that? Today, next week,etc?

Thanks
Tanya

Tanya,

I'm going to need the requested information to do the installs,
i'll do it as soon as i get the login information.

-----
jonathan scalf
technical support
perlcoders.com

Tanya,

I don't have any emails from that address in my inbox, can you get
it from him and send, or have him send it again?
Thanks.


-----
jonathan scalf
technical support
perlcoders.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Webmistress" <[email protected]>
To: "jonathan scalf" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: TotalAVSpro


> Jonathan,
>
> I don't even have some of that information, Bob does and he sent it to you
> last week. If you need to search your email his email address is :
> [email protected]
>
> Thanks
> Tanya
In a message dated 5/28/02 11:14:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Bob,

Can you please forward the login information to Jonathan again.

Thanks
Tanya >>

you betcha..

----

Finally installed, 10 days later, apparently paying the $25 help him figure out how to use the login information.

This was support with Ryan, which usually was good. I gotta say that much.

webmaster/addsite-ok.tmpl is correct, %sid is the token passed to that page.
just add your html and the %sid as needed. thats it...

Ryan Kinnear
BAK Web Design, Inc.
Owner - Webmaster
Free Phone#: 1-877-7BAKWEB (Only in the US)
International#: 602-978-4476
E-mail: [email protected]
ICQ: 62159993

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan scalf [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: regarding totalavspro


Bob,

Hello, looks like the template you're going to want to edit is under
webmaster/addsite-ok.tmpl
As far as the template displaying the webmaster code, i'm sure this is quite
possible, but i'm not sure if it's currently part of the script, you're
wanting it to show up on the page, correct? I'm not that familiar with this
script myself, if you're wanting what i think you're wanting, just the code
showing up on the page, i'll ask a coworker who is very familiar with the
script if the script is capable of this without much editing, if not, let me
know what you're after, and we'll get this worked out for you.

-----
jonathan scalf
technical support
perlcoders.com



----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:17 PM
Subject: regarding totalavspro


> Hi Jon,
>
> This is Bob Starlin, you installed totalavspro for us on
sexpicturespass.com
> a week or so ago.
>
> I have a question if you have a minute please.
>
> I have been getting things organized and I finally got around to running
the
> scripts. I went through the webmaster sign up process and made it all the
way
> through joining, and submitting a new site.
>
> The problem is, when I submitted the site, I was expecting to see a
generic
> or default join script returned after the site submission. instead all I
got
> was a "OK" from one of the template pages.
>
> So, I figured that I have to create the join code that is returned for the
> webmaster. However, I cant seem to locate where to put this code in the
> scripts or templates. Can you tell me where this is done and what script
is
> called to do it? I assume one of the cgi's has to be involved so the
> webmasters id is inserted into the join script somewhere... but I cant
seem
> to locate how or where this is supposed to happen.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Bob Starlin


And yes that was an easy one for someone to answer, you know, if you actually make a Readme file or Doc that has information like Variables for your scripts, you would save TONS of time in support. It is really worth taking the time to do ;)

I can keep searching, but there were plenty of problems, we logged into chat, emailed support or talked to perlcoders support people on ICQ.

I'm sorry you have such a problem with admitting how much your support lacks. It is the support lacking, that would make me tell anyone I know to stay away from you.

Anyone that has been a member, downloaded free scripts and tried to install them, I'm sure can say, you have problems.

But none of this really matters. I don't want or need anything from you. See that is the problem, I don't need your help now. You made it clear from the start, it wasn't worth it.

I just want to save anyone some Cash and tell them to contact a good coder, one that you work with personally, and stay away from the headaches.

I'm sure you will find another excuse why I or baddog was wrong. Have fun. Just to any customer that is even thinking of any script from perlcoders. Look now and see what type of support you will receive.

Oh on the convo with Foz, Can I say again Flynt is not an Affiliate. Maybe some day you will figure that one out. But, I won't be shocked if that doesn't happen. :1orglaugh

baddog 05-21-2003 05:04 AM

Got real quiet alla sudden didnt it

goodgirl 05-21-2003 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
Got real quiet alla sudden didnt it

Yes it did. And you know, I just thought, that cookie they are all worried about...I added that a week after he promised he would fix it and said he was sorry that a coder charged me for the install.

I guess after a year, you learn when they say they will, and they don't show up, to just move on.

And I know I told you before you even went in there that night that they would say they would and then wouldn't get it done.

Well they did the fraud checker a week after they said it....that was amazing to me.

I have no doubt they didn't fix the tracking, because they didn't know how to, so they made an excuse. They had done nothing to prove otherwise.

Oh and hopefully the total affiliate script was updated, cause when I downloaded that one, it said it cookied. But as soon as I installed it, I found out it didn't.

baddog 05-21-2003 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goodgirl

And I know I told you before you even went in there that night that they would say they would and then wouldn't get it done.

yes you did. and here I thought that nuclei was actually going to act like the owner of a company that knows it sold a faulty piece of software.

Claude 05-21-2003 06:09 AM

I bought one of their most exoensive scripts a few years ago, and I only have this to say:
1) They promised free installation, I eventually had to pay for it.
2) I emailed them about problems for almost 2 months, never got a reply, EVER !!1
3) I had someone install it (at a cost) and it turned out that half the functions which were promised wasnīt included in the script.


Eventually, I was forced to learn Perl and do the stuff myself, thank you perlcoders, you motivated me to learn programming.

I wouldnīt recommend that anyone buy their stuff, itīs going to cost you 2-3 times the amount you expect to pay and many weeks if not months to get it done. (No customersupport, and if you eventually do get it, itīs going to cost you)

Sorry, perlcoders.. I bought from you once and that was one time to many...

baddog 05-21-2003 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claude
I bought one of their most exoensive scripts a few years ago, and I only have this to say:
1) They promised free installation, I eventually had to pay for it.
2) I emailed them about problems for almost 2 months, never got a reply, EVER !!1
3) I had someone install it (at a cost) and it turned out that half the functions which were promised wasnīt included in the script.


Eventually, I was forced to learn Perl and do the stuff myself, thank you perlcoders, you motivated me to learn programming.

I wouldnīt recommend that anyone buy their stuff, itīs going to cost you 2-3 times the amount you expect to pay and many weeks if not months to get it done. (No customersupport, and if you eventually do get it, itīs going to cost you)

Sorry, perlcoders.. I bought from you once and that was one time to many...

hmmm, sounds like a pattern. I have similar stories from others on other boards

baddog 05-21-2003 06:13 AM

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goodgirl 05-21-2003 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claude
I bought one of their most exoensive scripts a few years ago, and I only have this to say:
1) They promised free installation, I eventually had to pay for it.
2) I emailed them about problems for almost 2 months, never got a reply, EVER !!1
3) I had someone install it (at a cost) and it turned out that half the functions which were promised wasnīt included in the script.


Eventually, I was forced to learn Perl and do the stuff myself, thank you perlcoders, you motivated me to learn programming.

I wouldnīt recommend that anyone buy their stuff, itīs going to cost you 2-3 times the amount you expect to pay and many weeks if not months to get it done. (No customersupport, and if you eventually do get it, itīs going to cost you)

Sorry, perlcoders.. I bought from you once and that was one time to many...

Exactly what happened to me. And I never had the desire to learn perl either. Kinda got forced fed on that one.

nuclei 05-21-2003 06:37 AM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by goodgirl


Too many mix ups in your story to even bother with.

And he came in Before I got someone else to fix it.

You know as usually, showing your lack of interest to support your script, lead me to have someone else do it. Which is why I had to have modifications done in the first place. Just the first time it took me months of your lack of support to get the modifications done by someone else. Now I just go right to having someone else do it, when you many excuses come up.

Fortunately I learn from my mistakes. Apparently you don't.

Again for the record, I didn't make any modifications to the script. Your tech charged me to install it, after the install, most of it didn't work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I am sorry, what did you just say about the modifications?

Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl
[04:04] <05_goodgirl_> lets see, when it does totals for webmaster referal sales, it credits it to the webmaster instead of the one that refered him. In the webmaster stats. But it does it right in the Admin stats.
[04:05] <05nuclei> and who has been editing the script?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> It looks like it is supposed to cookie but now it is just running on token passing. How do we change that?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> Taz



and from the coders:

[17:05] <05Foz> blech.. hashref.
[17:05] <05Foz> # -- Set the cookie -----------Added by tanya
[17:05] * Foz tries to recall a coder named tanya and fails.
[17:05] <05Foz> this doesn't bode well. They've been in the code.
[17:08] <05gz> hmmm
[17:09] <05gz> goodgirl HAS been trying to fix this stuff herself
[17:09] <05Foz> My sister has 3. Gender biasses.
[17:09] <05gz> i have the emails
[17:09] <05gz> so yeah...they been diggin in the code
[17:10] <05Foz> dotmpl2("$basedir/scripttemplates/ccbill/signup.html", "text/html");
[17:10] <05Foz> ok.. I gfotta go in there..
[17:12] <05Foz> wtf...
[17:12] <05Foz> hrmmm.. ok
[17:13] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plat....php&user1=%sid"
[17:13] <05Foz> who the hell is that?
[17:13] <05nuclei> no idea
[17:13] <05nuclei> maybe a sponsor?
[17:13] <05nuclei> flyntdigital is hustler aint it?
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah.. but %sid is the referal token.
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah
[17:14] <05Foz> why the hell is she passing to an affiliate from the signup page ?
[17:14] <05nuclei> maybe their way of tracking something to sponsors
[17:14] *** gz is now known as gz|TheSunIsReal
[17:14] <05nuclei> who knows
[17:14] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plat..._ppj,&user1=170
[17:15] *** pls ([email protected]) has joined #adultdesignz
[17:15] <05Foz> ok.. so.. an affiliate of an affiliate...
[17:15] <05Foz> geez.. wonder why this isn't working so far.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: she's trying to tie in another affiliate program into tavspro.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: I don't see how this is our issue.
[17:17] <05nuclei> all we care about is our fraud checker
[17:17] *** gz|TheSunIsReal ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:17] <05Foz> Good.
[17:18] <05Foz> the fraud checker works now.
[17:18] * Foz logs off



Case closed.

You proved youself a liar.

I am done with you.

Now you can attempt to say But but but it was after I tried getting support that I had Taz alter yer code, but yer own words show otherwise. As do 2 seperate coders.

nuclei 05-21-2003 06:48 AM

Boy you guys dont stop do ya =)

ok you have said a number of times that "Ryan" charged you for installation. Then you post an email from Jonathon (old tech) saying this:

> Hi Jon,
>
> This is Bob Starlin, you installed totalavspro for us on
sexpicturespass.com
> a week or so ago.


Now which is it guys?
Did you lie about ryan installing it and charging you or what?

nuclei 05-21-2003 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goodgirl
Yes Taz worked on the Script, I said I went to somebody after waiting for months for you guys to work on it.
The code was in it the very next day that you talked to me the second time when foz was assigned. Foz saw it, I saw it. You can backpeddle and try to spin it all you like, the fact is you got busted.


Quote:

I'm sure you will find another excuse why I or baddog was wrong.
You have made it so I do not have to do anything at all, except paste your own words to show that.

Quote:

Oh on the convo with Foz, Can I say again Flynt is not an Affiliate. Maybe some day you will figure that one out. But, I won't be shocked if that doesn't happen. :1orglaugh [/B]
[/quote]

Hun, it was in the code, it was pasted in channel, it is in everyones logs. You altered the code. It really is as simple as that.

InsaneMidget 05-21-2003 06:59 AM

So Nuclei, if you and perl coders are so fucking great, why are people complaining? For the thrill of it? I don't care what business you run, if your customers are unhappy, you are doing something wrong.

jact 05-21-2003 07:26 AM

This thread explains a lot to me. Thank god I never bought from PerlCoders.

baddog, if they won't support you on unmodified portions of their broken ass scripts, they aren't even worth giving them free exposure on GFY dude. Find yourself a nice programmer who can fix their fuckups and write them off as trash.

PornoDoggy 05-21-2003 10:11 AM

You know, I bought a stereo one time that had a warning right there on the cover that said "Removal of this cover voids all warranties, real or implied."

I removed the cover, and after I tried to fry, er, fix it, I took it in for service.

Do you know them goll-durned socksuckers didn't honor their warranty? Even when I threatened to tell everyone that I knew that they were lower than a snake's belly?

nuclei 05-21-2003 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact
This thread explains a lot to me. Thank god I never bought from PerlCoders.

baddog, if they won't support you on unmodified portions of their broken ass scripts, they aren't even worth giving them free exposure on GFY dude. Find yourself a nice programmer who can fix their fuckups and write them off as trash.


jact, it was a MODIFIED part that they wanted us to work on.
The unmodified part WAS fixed .

quoting Foz:
[12:49] <Foz> 1) I fixed the froud checker the first day I heard about it.
[12:49] <Foz> 2) I can't believe I wasted 10 minutes of my life reading that thread.
[12:49] <Foz> 3) I'm not going to try to figure out someone else's code. That's not my job. That's someone else's job.
[12:49] <Foz> 4) you people seriously need a hobby.
[12:50] <Foz> End of story
[12:50] <gz> your my hobby
[12:50] <Foz> nuclei: you can even post that if you want


PornoDoggy, nice summation. :glugglug

morecash 05-21-2003 10:44 AM

Hey Baddog,

I've had the same problem with perlcoders.
Bought one of their more expensive scripts and it never worked. The programmer from perlcoders could not even get the thing to work and said the whole program needs to be rewritten.
Wasted $1,200.00 and three months of my time.

Cheers,
BOOM

nuclei 05-21-2003 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morecash
Hey Baddog,

I've had the same problem with perlcoders.
Bought one of their more expensive scripts and it never worked. The programmer from perlcoders could not even get the thing to work and said the whole program needs to be rewritten.
Wasted $1,200.00 and three months of my time.

Cheers,
BOOM

1200.00 would that be avsmaker pro?

morecash 05-21-2003 11:18 AM

Hey Nuclei,

No it was totaldate.
750.00 for the script and I think it was 500.00 to join.

nuclei 05-21-2003 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by morecash
Hey Nuclei,

No it was totaldate.
750.00 for the script and I think it was 500.00 to join.

What were the issues? I only show one email for you, looing for guy powell, then nothing beyond that at all? I am assuming you and he emailed to each others personal addresses.

matter of fact just shoot me an email. william at perlcoders

L0stMind 05-21-2003 01:02 PM

Heh, Great thread :)

Customer support at its finest!

baddog 05-21-2003 01:12 PM

anyone that feels what we have here is an issue with customer service, I am in complete agreement.

I have been trying to get perlcoders to make the script right for several weeks now. nuclei is never going to post the chat logs from the first time we talked, because he admitted that there were issues with the software, and that there was no way goodgirl should have been charged for installing a script and that he was going to make everything right.

goodgirl had told me before we went in the chat what kind of excuses I would hear, and what would happen. When we finished talking with nuclei I told goodgirl that I thought we were going to get this script fixed. We had dealt with the owner instead of some flunky. Things would be taken care of. I hind sight I know her reponse was just being polite. She said we did well, but in her heart she did not believe that anything would happen.

I had goodgirl tell him in an e-mail that if he made this script right, we would both sing their praises whenever possible, and we both knew he could use all the positive publicity he could get, I figured this would be pretty good incentive to actually follow thru.

I felt like a fish when I realized that I was being bullshitted by this guy, and that we were not going to receive satisfaction.

In summary, it was my goal to get this taken care of in a private, professional manner. We did not make the change until after more than a week had passed. We had a business to run, and goodgirl had already gone a year with no support, there was no reason to suspect that these guys were going to do anything.

They promised next day, more than a week passed. Yeah, because I kept on them they eventually had someone look at a script they knew from the gate was faulty, and instead of fixing it, make excuses.


Who cares at what point Foz started working on the script, it was weeks after you said it would be fixed the next day. It was after you assigned it to GZ, and after I can in to your chat wondering what the hell was going on.

One more thing, about your comment that as soon as you discovered that I was the new owner of the company . . . . well, you put it so nicely, so let's use your own words:

Quote:

Once goodgirl told us that we DID respond to you. and you did get help.
Then your chat logs:
Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl


Also, why don't you put the date of the logs between you and Foz? 4/22 was the first time you and I spoke. Check out the date on this e-mail from Foz:

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Received: (qmail 80833 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:38:09 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO mail.pc-netgroup.com) (209.126.222.250)
by 0 with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:38:09 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=pluto.phatservers.com)
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id 19DWcL-0008P7-00; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:38:25 -0700
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: fozzie <[email protected]>
X-X-Sender: [email protected]
To: goodgirl <[email protected]>
cc: [email protected], <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Support time
In-Reply-To: <00a101c3142e$6ec23ba0$0100a8c0@synergy>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> I think we got almost everything fixed. Except fraud checker. And click
> through traffic in webmaster stats.

If I'm going to be debugging what is wrong with the fraud checker, I need
you to send me ssh(or telnet) login information to your server. I will be
connecting from 209.126.222.250.

If you can set that up for me, I'll be able to take a look at what is
wrong.
Thanks in advance.

---
Foz
SysAdmin
PerlCoders.com

------------------------------------------

Just how long were we supposed to wait? We had waited a year, two more weeks had gone by before our first contact from Foz. goodgirl had no faith in you guys, so she went ahead and started working on fixing the script that you admitted had issues.

Brujah 05-21-2003 01:21 PM

Which AVS's are using this script ?

goodgirl 05-21-2003 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei


I am sorry, what did you just say about the modifications?

Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl
[04:04] <05_goodgirl_> lets see, when it does totals for webmaster referal sales, it credits it to the webmaster instead of the one that refered him. In the webmaster stats. But it does it right in the Admin stats.
[04:05] <05nuclei> and who has been editing the script?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> It looks like it is supposed to cookie but now it is just running on token passing. How do we change that?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> Taz



and from the coders:

[17:05] <05Foz> blech.. hashref.
[17:05] <05Foz> # -- Set the cookie -----------Added by tanya
[17:05] * Foz tries to recall a coder named tanya and fails.
[17:05] <05Foz> this doesn't bode well. They've been in the code.
[17:08] <05gz> hmmm
[17:09] <05gz> goodgirl HAS been trying to fix this stuff herself
[17:09] <05Foz> My sister has 3. Gender biasses.
[17:09] <05gz> i have the emails
[17:09] <05gz> so yeah...they been diggin in the code
[17:10] <05Foz> dotmpl2("$basedir/scripttemplates/ccbill/signup.html", "text/html");
[17:10] <05Foz> ok.. I gfotta go in there..
[17:12] <05Foz> wtf...
[17:12] <05Foz> hrmmm.. ok
[17:13] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plat....php&user1=%sid"
[17:13] <05Foz> who the hell is that?
[17:13] <05nuclei> no idea
[17:13] <05nuclei> maybe a sponsor?
[17:13] <05nuclei> flyntdigital is hustler aint it?
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah.. but %sid is the referal token.
[17:13] <05Foz> yeah
[17:14] <05Foz> why the hell is she passing to an affiliate from the signup page ?
[17:14] <05nuclei> maybe their way of tracking something to sponsors
[17:14] *** gz is now known as gz|TheSunIsReal
[17:14] <05nuclei> who knows
[17:14] <05Foz> http://orders.flyntdigital.com/plat..._ppj,&user1=170
[17:15] *** pls ([email protected]) has joined #adultdesignz
[17:15] <05Foz> ok.. so.. an affiliate of an affiliate...
[17:15] <05Foz> geez.. wonder why this isn't working so far.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: she's trying to tie in another affiliate program into tavspro.
[17:15] <05Foz> nuclei: I don't see how this is our issue.
[17:17] <05nuclei> all we care about is our fraud checker
[17:17] *** gz|TheSunIsReal ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:17] <05Foz> Good.
[17:18] <05Foz> the fraud checker works now.
[17:18] * Foz logs off



Case closed.

You proved youself a liar.

I am done with you.

Now you can attempt to say But but but it was after I tried getting support that I had Taz alter yer code, but yer own words show otherwise. As do 2 seperate coders.

First, hell yes I had Taz work on the scripts. Let see, the first time he worked on them:
Name:
Taz Tronics Internet Services (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
[email protected]

Business Contact Information:

Customer Service Email: [email protected]
Customer Service Phone: 250-417-3349

Total Amount:
-30.00

Date:
Dec 20, 2002
Time:
18:41:26
Status:
Completed

Subject:
Thank you


You know what he did? I couldn't get the Globill script that Ryan sent me to work. And happen to find another avs system owner that happen to mention Taz knew what the hell he was doing. So I ask him to install it for me. Which he did. In less then 5 mins. LOL, so the first time, the very first time someone other then perl coders worked on the script, was 8 months after perl coders didn't do the job. And he got it up in 5 mins. In 5 mins I had a site that actually had a chance to make me money. And that was after 8 months of hoping perl coders would get off their asses. (Oh I bet that is threatening, but then again it isn't BULLSHIT)

The modification you are worry about with flynt, is a HTML page, not even a script. It is on our sign up page. It is the same place a link exactly like that one would point to any of the 3rd party billing systems.

But you have made it pretty clear in the last year, that you have no clue how the script even works. And you can quote Foz all you want. The code you are claiming is a modification, is in a page that would have to be modified by anyone who purchased the script.

dotmpl2 is the command in that script to tell where is your sign up page. The sign up page is one I had to build anyway...So what modifications is the problem? Oh yes, you don't know how to support your script. It must just be easier to find excuses not to.

nuclei 05-21-2003 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
anyone that feels what we have here is an issue with customer service, I am in complete agreement.

I have been trying to get perlcoders to make the script right for several weeks now. nuclei is never going to post the chat logs from the first time we talked, because he admitted that there were issues with the software, and that there was no way goodgirl should have been charged for installing a script and that he was going to make everything right.

goodgirl had told me before we went in the chat what kind of excuses I would hear, and what would happen. When we finished talking with nuclei I told goodgirl that I thought we were going to get this script fixed. We had dealt with the owner instead of some flunky. Things would be taken care of. I hind sight I know her reponse was just being polite. She said we did well, but in her heart she did not believe that anything would happen.

I had goodgirl tell him in an e-mail that if he made this script right, we would both sing their praises whenever possible, and we both knew he could use all the positive publicity he could get, I figured this would be pretty good incentive to actually follow thru.

I felt like a fish when I realized that I was being bullshitted by this guy, and that we were not going to receive satisfaction.

In summary, it was my goal to get this taken care of in a private, professional manner. We did not make the change until after more than a week had passed. We had a business to run, and goodgirl had already gone a year with no support, there was no reason to suspect that these guys were going to do anything.

They promised next day, more than a week passed. Yeah, because I kept on them they eventually had someone look at a script they knew from the gate was faulty, and instead of fixing it, make excuses.


Who cares at what point Foz started working on the script, it was weeks after you said it would be fixed the next day. It was after you assigned it to GZ, and after I can in to your chat wondering what the hell was going on.

One more thing, about your comment that as soon as you discovered that I was the new owner of the company . . . . well, you put it so nicely, so let's use your own words:



Then your chat logs:
Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl


Also, why don't you put the date of the logs between you and Foz? 4/22 was the first time you and I spoke. Check out the date on this e-mail from Foz:

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Received: (qmail 80833 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 16:38:09 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO mail.pc-netgroup.com) (209.126.222.250)
by 0 with SMTP; 7 May 2003 16:38:09 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=pluto.phatservers.com)
by mail.pc-netgroup.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
id 19DWcL-0008P7-00; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:38:25 -0700
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: fozzie <[email protected]>
X-X-Sender: [email protected]
To: goodgirl <[email protected]>
cc: [email protected], <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Support time
In-Reply-To: <00a101c3142e$6ec23ba0$0100a8c0@synergy>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> I think we got almost everything fixed. Except fraud checker. And click
> through traffic in webmaster stats.

If I'm going to be debugging what is wrong with the fraud checker, I need
you to send me ssh(or telnet) login information to your server. I will be
connecting from 209.126.222.250.

If you can set that up for me, I'll be able to take a look at what is
wrong.
Thanks in advance.

---
Foz
SysAdmin
PerlCoders.com

------------------------------------------

Just how long were we supposed to wait? We had waited a year, two more weeks had gone by before our first contact from Foz. goodgirl had no faith in you guys, so she went ahead and started working on fixing the script that you admitted had issues.


Oh damn, now where the hell is that elusive week or so that went by because goodgirl emailed us saying she thought she had it licked?? You remember that email, the one that was pasted to you in chat when you finally showed up thinking we were to blame, then you shut up rather quickly when you found out wow, it wasnt our fault that a week plus had gone by without us doing anything. Of course we didnt. Goodgirl told us she would email if she needed us for anything more. But wow again, Foz got the fraud checker fixed the next day after you apologized for her mistake did he not?

How odd that you failed to mention that little fact baddog.

Grow up man.



Stop trying to spin things to look how you wish.

Adult Site Traffic 05-21-2003 01:47 PM

I don't know about all of that..

I do know that 100% of the scripts that I now use to pay our bills and support our family are Perlcoders scripts, written by Nuc and his coders.

I have had several custom mods written by Nuc, depending on what I want the scripts to do at the moment.

Everything works flawlessly, and I have always been happy with the support and response time.

JMO,

Adult Site Traffic 121760557

joefoxxx 05-21-2003 01:50 PM

perlcoders sucked for me.. asked them to install some scripts and non of them where working :BangBang:

better solutions out there

nuclei 05-21-2003 01:55 PM

Goodgirl,

First off keep digging the hole, Posted earlier was GZ (the first tech who ended up in hospital long before Foz became involved)

Now GZ has emails of you admitting that you have had people altering the code. This was BEFORE Foz ever talked to you.

So saying now that Taz worked on it AFTER you talked to Foz is just hillarious. The script was altered. Foz fixed the fraud checker which had not been altered and refused to figure out someones elses code in the altered version.

you can continue to attempt to spin this any damn way you want, it doesnt change the facts hun. Nor does it seems to stop you from further condemning yourself in your own words and quotes.

nuclei 05-21-2003 02:02 PM

Quote:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by nuclei


I am sorry, what did you just say about the modifications?

Tue Apr 22

[04:02] <05nuclei> what issues are you having?
[04:02] <05baddog> I will let goodgirl list them, she has a better memory than I
[04:02] <05nuclei> i was asking her as she apparently is the customer
[04:03] <05_goodgirl_> Well he actually owns more of the site them me now
[04:03] <05baddog> you are absolutely correct, I just came in and inherited the problems
[04:03] <05nuclei> who owns the site doesnt matter to me =)
[04:04] <05nuclei> what issues are you having goodgirl
[04:04] <05_goodgirl_> lets see, when it does totals for webmaster referal sales, it credits it to the webmaster instead of the one that refered him. In the webmaster stats. But it does it right in the Admin stats.
[04:05] <05nuclei> and who has been editing the script?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> It looks like it is supposed to cookie but now it is just running on token passing. How do we change that?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> Taz


From your own quote:

[04:05] <05nuclei> and who has been editing the script?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> It looks like it is supposed to cookie but now it is just running on token passing. How do we change that?
[04:05] <05_goodgirl_> Taz

This was the first time we talked about this all on april 22nd. You admit Taz had altered the script beforehand.

Keep digging that hole....

Brujah 05-21-2003 02:05 PM

Which AVS's are using this script ?

dirtydesignz 05-21-2003 02:06 PM

I run my business with ALL Perlcoders scripts and NOT once have I had any complaint...not once. Of course, I don't modify anything either :) I wouldn't expect Perlcoders to fix something I screwed up. I guess I'd try to hire someone else so Nuc didn't know I messed up his script. :1orglaugh

Nuc and Jamie have always been there for support, maybe not at 4am, but during normal business hours, like most businesses.

PerlCoders feeds my kids ! And just for the record, going back thru all of this thread, there are not ALOT of people that are unsatisfied with Perlcoders, just a few....Can't make everyone happy all the time Nuc.

goodgirl 05-21-2003 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei
Goodgirl,

First off keep digging the hole, Posted earlier was GZ (the first tech who ended up in hospital long before Foz became involved)

Now GZ has emails of you admitting that you have had people altering the code. This was BEFORE Foz ever talked to you.

So saying now that Taz worked on it AFTER you talked to Foz is just hillarious. The script was altered. Foz fixed the fraud checker which had not been altered and refused to figure out someones elses code in the altered version.

you can continue to attempt to spin this any damn way you want, it doesnt change the facts hun. Nor does it seems to stop you from further condemning yourself in your own words and quotes.

Excuse me, I never said that I didn't have Taz work on it before Foz, I pretty sure I was clear to you that he had. Even in your own chat log that you pasted. LOL

And don't call me fuckin hun.

nuclei 05-21-2003 02:10 PM

This was by far the best reply to this bullshit thread yet:

PornoDoggy
Banned, but still hacks in
Registered: Jun 2002
Location:
Posts: 901
You know, I bought a stereo one time that had a warning right there on the cover that said "Removal of this cover voids all warranties, real or implied."
I removed the cover, and after I tried to fry, er, fix it, I took it in for service.
Do you know them goll-durned socksuckers didn't honor their warranty? Even when I threatened to tell everyone that I knew that they were lower than a snake's belly?



Obviously some are seeing the real issue.

baddog 05-21-2003 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goodgirl




And don't call me fuckin hun.

can I?

goodgirl 05-21-2003 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei
This was by far the best reply to this bullshit thread yet:

PornoDoggy
Banned, but still hacks in
Registered: Jun 2002
Location:
Posts: 901
You know, I bought a stereo one time that had a warning right there on the cover that said "Removal of this cover voids all warranties, real or implied."
I removed the cover, and after I tried to fry, er, fix it, I took it in for service.
Do you know them goll-durned socksuckers didn't honor their warranty? Even when I threatened to tell everyone that I knew that they were lower than a snake's belly?



Obviously some are seeing the real issue.

LOL yes obviously you are missing them. And not addressing the fact that I waited for 8 months for perl coders to do support work. And after 8 months, of not honoring that so called warrarnty you can say I bought a new coder that was willing to do the job.

Just like anyone who buys a stereo that doesn't work, and the company they bought from doesn't honor the warranty...They would at some point just go out and buy another new stereo.

:1orglaugh Infact, I bet most people wouldn't wait the 8 months to hear the music.

goodgirl 05-21-2003 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog


can I?

You can call me anytime ;)

Oh call me hun, sure you can do that too. :)

baddog 05-21-2003 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei
This was by far the best reply to this bullshit thread yet:

PornoDoggy
Banned, but still hacks in
Registered: Jun 2002
Location:
Posts: 901
You know, I bought a stereo one time that had a warning right there on the cover that said "Removal of this cover voids all warranties, real or implied."
I removed the cover, and after I tried to fry, er, fix it, I took it in for service.
Do you know them goll-durned socksuckers didn't honor their warranty? Even when I threatened to tell everyone that I knew that they were lower than a snake's belly?



Obviously some are seeing the real issue.

well, let me see, did he own the stereo for a year, and after unsuccessfully trying to get support to make it so that he could actually use it for something other than a paper weight?

I have purchased electronics that did not work, and when the companies support failed, I took it to another qualified repair person. You know what? 5 years later, when a new problem developed (I had an extended warranty) the original company (Magnavox) did not say shit about the fact that I had paid someone else to try and fix the problem. In fact, they gave me a brand new, top of the line TV at cost, and subtracted the money that I had spent getting it fixed by someone else. Why? Because they knew there was a problem with the set, and they stand behind their product.

7 years after the purchase, and after having other techs try their hand at fixing it, Magnavox stepped up and gave me their newest model 50" set for about $200, because they knew there was a problem with the set they sold me 7 years prior.

You know that TAVS Pro sucks, you admitted there were issues. You admitted that goodgirl should not have been charged by your techs to install the script.

Why don't you break down and post the logs from 4/22? the complete discussion. I am sure everyone would love to see your support in action. I would think you would want to show it off


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