CCBill's $750 VISA Registration fee scam

[boncne]

I know many here swear by CCBill. I ended up using them because they seemed honest enough.

Here's the policy:

You have to pay $750 to get your VISA account setup. If you are not approved, you get your $750 back. The contract states that the application process takes 5-7 business days.

Here's the catch:

If your application is still in processing after 2 weeks, you still can't get your money back because it's still in processing....

If your application is still in processinga fter 200 years, you still can't get your money back because it's still in processing...

I tried to get them to refund that application (my credit sucks, I'm not surprised it wasn't approved) fee. They offered to turn on VISA for me but at this point I smelled the rat and saw the catch in their contract I have noted above. They would NOT refund the money because the application hadn't been turned down yet. When I asked when they could return the money they evaded the question and tried to talk me into looking into their affiliate programs.

Here's a word to the wise - get someone else if you are just starting out and have crap for credit because VISA will not approve the account AND CCBill will never tell you the status of the application if you aren't approved.

[freeadultcontent]

Go fuck yourself, no literally go get some lube, spill some kitty litter in it bend over and ram your own lil cock in.

Its all a scam, ccbill, the adult industry, and the thought of making money in this make believe business.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by boncne
I know many here swear by CCBill. I ended up using them because they seemed honest enough.

Here's the policy:

You have to pay $750 to get your VISA account setup. If you are not approved, you get your $750 back. The contract states that the application process takes 5-7 business days.

Here's the catch:

If your application is still in processing after 2 weeks, you still can't get your money back because it's still in processing....

If your application is still in processinga fter 200 years, you still can't get your money back because it's still in processing...

I tried to get them to refund that application (my credit sucks, I'm not surprised it wasn't approved) fee. They offered to turn on VISA for me but at this point I smelled the rat and saw the catch in their contract I have noted above. They would NOT refund the money because the application hadn't been turned down yet. When I asked when they could return the money they evaded the question and tried to talk me into looking into their affiliate programs.

Here's a word to the wise - get someone else if you are just starting out and have crap for credit because VISA will not approve the account AND CCBill will never tell you the status of the application if you aren't approved.

The never ending story; "you wanna make 6 digit $$$ numbers, but dont wanne risk $750"

[BJ]

it should be $7500.00

[freeadultcontent]

It is his first post and he is calling out ccbill. Cmon show your love.

[mountainmiester]

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Its all a scam, ccbill, the adult industry, and the thought of making money in this make believe business.

I'm sure you'll be missed.

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by mountainmiester


I'm sure you'll be missed.

Now ya lost me.

[mountainmiester]

freeadultcontent, I was just adding to your comment.

[Interlude]

One less paysite *shrug*

[boncne]

Yea, it is my first post and I did find out that you can NOT make the 6 figure incomes in the adult inustry as easily now as you could in 1999.

I also found out that the money is not in the registrations, it's in the advertising. Unfortunately all of the advertising I looked into seemed awfully high priced considering we were only making about $0.08 per visitor in sign up fees (#visitors / $made).

I considered an affiliate program.... But these seem like amway for pornographers.

Ah well, I learned a lesson and I'm closing the site. I only lost about $2000 in this venture but with the plethora of porn out there it's REALLY hard to stand out in the crowd.

CCBill's ONLY bad mark is their VISA scam. Aside from that, they were great to deal with - they answer the phone in under 5 minutes, the person answering the phone has the power to help, and they were always courteous.... Except for when I pointed out that I smelled a rat with the VISA registration.

[freeadultcontent]

ahhh ok. Sorry my brain has not turned all the way back on. Late fucking night.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by mountainmiester
freeadultcontent, I was just adding to your comment.

christ I thought I had followed it until here - but I guess not!

[Extreme John]

Apply for a job at Wal-Mart you might only have to pay for the little Blue Smock you have to wear in order to work there. No sense spending $750, shit the industry is shot you wont make it back..

Fucking Doomed!

Free Adult Content, thanks for providing the late afternoon laughter for the office, thats some funny shit!

[ztik]

Has anyone tried to register with visa lately? Ive been waiting for almost 3 weeks now.

[twistyneck]

Originally posted by boncne
II tried to get them to refund that application (my credit sucks, I'm not surprised it wasn't approved) fee. They offered to turn on VISA for me but at this point I smelled the rat and saw the catch in their contract I have noted above. They would NOT refund the money because the application hadn't been turned down yet. When I asked when they could return the money they evaded the question and tried to talk me into looking into their affiliate programs.

They offered to turn it on for you, what is the problem?

[tony286]

What kind of site do you have? Because not getting approved has nothing to do with credit, its not a merchant account they just know who you are now. The reason you would get turned down is unsuitable material or you were already black listed by Visa. Also if Visa US doesnt want you why not go to one of the european guys verotel, 2000charge or globil ?

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by boncne
Yea, it is my first post and I did find out that you can NOT make the 6 figure incomes in the adult inustry as easily now as you could in 1999.

I also found out that the money is not in the registrations, it's in the advertising. Unfortunately all of the advertising I looked into seemed awfully high priced considering we were only making about $0.08 per visitor in sign up fees (#visitors / $made).

I considered an affiliate program.... But these seem like amway for pornographers.

Ah well, I learned a lesson and I'm closing the site. I only lost about $2000 in this venture but with the plethora of porn out there it's REALLY hard to stand out in the crowd.

CCBill's ONLY bad mark is their VISA scam. Aside from that, they were great to deal with - they answer the phone in under 5 minutes, the person answering the phone has the power to help, and they were always courteous.... Except for when I pointed out that I smelled a rat with the VISA registration.

Hint, instead of calling them scamers why not just post a message to ccbill. Corvett hangs out here all the time. I am sure he would of gladly took care of your problem. They have no interest in keeping your measly 750.00 There is no loop hole in the contract, and they ussually will go out of their way to assist someone.


BTW if you can not make money at 8cents a visitor then well shit you got something very wrong and bowing out may be the best bet. Then again if your only making 8cents per member then more is fucked up than what you claim. Next time learn about what you are doing before jumping in.



edited-typo

[Machete_]

Originally posted by boncne
Yea, it is my first post and I did find out that you can NOT make the 6 figure incomes in the adult inustry as easily now as you could in 1999.

I also found out that the money is not in the registrations, it's in the advertising. Unfortunately all of the advertising I looked into seemed awfully high priced considering we were only making about $0.08 per visitor in sign up fees (#visitors / $made).

I considered an affiliate program.... But these seem like amway for pornographers.

Ah well, I learned a lesson and I'm closing the site. I only lost about $2000 in this venture but with the plethora of porn out there it's REALLY hard to stand out in the crowd.

so what you are saying is; "you have to work HARD to make money"? - jesus fucking christ - thats not cool - Im gonna shut down my services right now

In regards to the 0,08 cents price - what is the problem with that? cant you make profit with that?

[twistyneck]

This guy is a fucking idiot. I regret even reading this thread. I'm not a CCBill cheerleader but Corvett has been a lot nicer to me than I have been to him and they are class act.

Anyone who quits this easily was doomed to failure anyway.

[boncne]

Twisty:

The problem is that we've decided to close. We opened thinking we'd have VISA access right away... we didn't. We also just weren't getting any sales.

We had posted some pics to the usenet and we got about 1000 hits in 2 weeks from doing so. We also posted to appropriate newsgroups (3 or 4 of the active ones that were on topic) and not in a blanket post to alt.set.*. We got 10 sales at 9.99 each out of that deal. I've no clue if those are good numbers or not. But fact is I'm not doing this for $50 of profit a month. I'm not doing it for $500 a month. I would do it for $4000 a month. But $4000 a month seems very far fetched given the numbers above. We'd have to have multi-thousands of hits to get $4000 a month.

So.... we're closing. And the VISA app remains in limbo. I just find it a bit scammy that they won't refund the money after it's beet twice as long as they said it would be for the application to go through. I also found it scammy that they refused to tell me the date that I could get the $$ back if VISA still had not responded to the application.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by twistyneck
This guy is a fucking idiot. I regret even reading this thread. I'm not a CCBill cheerleader but Corvett has been a lot nicer to me than I have been to him and they are class act.

Anyone who quits this easily was doomed to failure anyway.

and dont forget Sean - he never lost his temper with me. Im not the greates affiliate, but its nice to see they dont screw over the small fishes either :-)

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by boncne
Twisty:

The problem is that we've decided to close. We opened thinking we'd have VISA access right away... we didn't. We also just weren't getting any sales.

We had posted some pics to the usenet and we got about 1000 hits in 2 weeks from doing so. We also posted to appropriate newsgroups (3 or 4 of the active ones that were on topic) and not in a blanket post to alt.set.*. We got 10 sales at 9.99 each out of that deal. I've no clue if those are good numbers or not. But fact is I'm not doing this for $50 of profit a month. I'm not doing it for $500 a month. I would do it for $4000 a month. But $4000 a month seems very far fetched given the numbers above. We'd have to have multi-thousands of hits to get $4000 a month.

So.... we're closing. And the VISA app remains in limbo. I just find it a bit scammy that they won't refund the money after it's beet twice as long as they said it would be for the application to go through. I also found it scammy that they refused to tell me the date that I could get the $$ back if VISA still had not responded to the application.

Yup stop now, if your only converting usenet traffic at 1:100 like you claim you will never make it. No one can generate multi-thousands of hits to a site anymore. Specially if it only converts like that.

[BigFrog]

ur the winner

[Machete_]

Originally posted by boncne
Twisty:

The problem is that we've decided to close. We opened thinking we'd have VISA access right away... we didn't. We also just weren't getting any sales.

We had posted some pics to the usenet and we got about 1000 hits in 2 weeks from doing so. We also posted to appropriate newsgroups (3 or 4 of the active ones that were on topic) and not in a blanket post to alt.set.*. We got 10 sales at 9.99 each out of that deal. I've no clue if those are good numbers or not. But fact is I'm not doing this for $50 of profit a month. I'm not doing it for $500 a month. I would do it for $4000 a month. But $4000 a month seems very far fetched given the numbers above. We'd have to have multi-thousands of hits to get $4000 a month.

So.... we're closing. And the VISA app remains in limbo. I just find it a bit scammy that they won't refund the money after it's beet twice as long as they said it would be for the application to go through. I also found it scammy that they refused to tell me the date that I could get the $$ back if VISA still had not responded to the application.

please hit me up on ICQ (se signature)

edit: SERIOUS - please hit me up

[boncne]

****so what you are saying is; "you have to work HARD to make money"? - jesus fucking christ - thats not cool - Im gonna shut down my services right now

In regards to the 0,08 cents price - what is the problem with that? cant you make profit with that?*****

We could make $$ with 0.08 per visitor, but I make good money as it is with a "real" job that I fucking hate. I mean... deeply hate. I'd have to see the possibility of making $4000 a month for it to be worth it.

And YES, it's hard to make $$ doing this. But I don't see the realistic possibility of getting 50,000 hits a month and making the $4k without having to put in A LOT more work than I'm willing to do. Yea, I'm lazy. ;-)

[FATPad]

HAHAHA

This thread is funny.

"Someone told me this is easy money and it's NOT!!! I'm quitting, I'm not about to work for my money!"

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by boncne
****so what you are saying is; "you have to work HARD to make money"? - jesus fucking christ - thats not cool - Im gonna shut down my services right now

In regards to the 0,08 cents price - what is the problem with that? cant you make profit with that?*****

We could make $$ with 0.08 per visitor, but I make good money as it is with a "real" job that I fucking hate. I mean... deeply hate. I'd have to see the possibility of making $4000 a month for it to be worth it.

And YES, it's hard to make $$ doing this. But I don't see the realistic possibility of getting 50,000 hits a month and making the $4k without having to put in A LOT more work than I'm willing to do. Yea, I'm lazy. ;-)

Give me a team of untrained monkeys and I can get them capable of sending 50,000 hits a month to a site. Good gawd, please someone say this is a joke thread now. Tell me its someones fake personality. purty please.

[BigFrog]

Originally posted by boncne
[BBut I don't see the realistic possibility of getting 50,000 hits a month and making the $4k without having to put in A LOT more work than I'm willing to do. Yea, I'm lazy. ;-) [/B]

yes, you are. please go away.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by boncne

We could make $$ with 0.08 per visitor, but I make good money as it is with a "real" job that I fucking hate. I mean... deeply hate. I'd have to see the possibility of making $4000 a month for it to be worth it.

And YES, it's hard to make $$ doing this. But I don't see the realistic possibility of getting 50,000 hits a month and making the $4k without having to put in A LOT more work than I'm willing to do. Yea, I'm lazy. ;-)

I think you are missing something - this IS hard work . the time where you made 50k with popups are OVER

But please hit me up on ICQ

[gothweb]

It has nothing to do with your cedit rating. The only way to get turned down, as far as I know, is if Visa thinks your site is obscene.

As for it taking time... You could be a little more patient. Onthe CCBill thing, but also on making money with your sites. Without Visas, your signups will be down a ton. Plus, it takes a while ot get sales up, especially if your only way of getting traffic is newsgroups.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


I think you are missing something - this IS hard work . the time where you made 50k with popups are OVER

But please hit me up on ICQ

OK - You dident hit me up
It must be a joke then, or you are REALLY retarded.
If its the latter, then DONT hit me up

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


OK - You dident hit me up
It must be a joke then, or you are REALLY retarded.
If its the latter, then DONT hit me up

Ebus, first provide the link to icq, then instructions on how to install it, then detailed info on how to add a user and how to decipher your icq number.

You just may get a response then.

[corvette]

Originally posted by boncne
Here's the catch

I just came across this

boncne, with all due respect, I fail to see a catch here. If you want to be visa registered, you pay the registration fee and we will submit your application through to Visa. Once we get an ?accepted? response from Visa, we will update your signup form to allow Visa transactions. If you are not accepted, we will refund the registration fee to you, however you had paid it.

Once your registration is submitted, you cannot change your mind and expect to get the registration fee back. That is a decision that should have been made before you had requested and paid for your Visa registration.

After submission, our clients normally find out that they get their Visa turned on within a reasonable amount of time, if you feel that it is not the case, contact us so that we can follow up.

Ztik, boncne, please contact me via icq or email, I will be happy to look at your accounts individually.

Thanks

[email protected]
45471840

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


The never ending story; "you wanna make 6 digit $$$ numbers, but dont wanne risk $750"

Was it supposed to be a risk? Was it a non-refundable application fee?

[TheDr]

Originally posted by corvett

You are in error:
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10

[Machete_]

Originally posted by goBigtime


Was it supposed to be a risk? Was it a non-refundable application fee?

It was a refferal to the LITTLE risk of never getting the money back. AND the moral of many people that are to affraid to risk losing money, but still bitch about how har it is to make money



- thats all


EDIT - CHEATER !!!!!! you removed the "dont be a dick" part

[Sugar~Pot]

lol

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


It was a refferal to the LITTLE risk of never getting the money back. AND the moral of many people that are to affraid to risk losing money, but still bitch about how har it is to make money

- thats all

Well.. IF what he said is true, then does it really matter how much money it was? There are no "little scammers" and "big scammers" - there are just scammers.

Not that CCbill scams.. I'm sure that if freeadultcontent contacts Corvett he'll get him squared away. One of the advantages of having a rep on the board

However, there should be a way to cancel the application process & get your money refunded back in a timely fasion if that's what happens if your application is declined.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


EDIT - CHEATER !!!!!! you removed the "dont be a dick" part

Aww I realized I was just angry with someone I got off the phone with & taking it out on you for being a dick to the guy... so I removed it

[KRL]

I'll tell you every guy I know who makes the real money in this biz works very hard. And they are usually nonstop 24 x 7 type A personalities that don't know what the words quit and fail mean.

This business is not for you my friend.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by goBigtime



Well.. IF what he said is true, then does it really matter how much money it was? There are no "little scammers" and "big scammers" - there are just scammers.

Not that CCbill scams.. I'm sure that if freeadultcontent contacts Corvett he'll get him squared away. One of the advantages of having a rep on the board

However, there should be a way to cancel the application process & get your money refunded back in a timely fasion if that's what happens if your application is declined.

He hit me up on ICQ and showed me his site - and now I know why he dident make any money.

I think what happend was, he closed the site, and wanted the $750 back, but realiced he could not

[Machete_]

Originally posted by KRL
don't know what the words quit and fail mean.

trust me -they KNOw what "fail" means - but they dont quit, and that is why they are still around - they bounce back

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by goBigtime

Not that CCbill scams.. I'm sure that if freeadultcontent contacts Corvett he'll get him squared away. One of the advantages of having a rep on the board

I have no reason to contact them at this present time. When the time comes to need such a company it will be ccbill though. For no other reason than I see the support they offer, they are not faceless, can take one on the chin, and participate with webmasters in a forum that all 3rd parties should.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


He hit me up on ICQ and showed me his site - and now I know why he dident make any money.

I think what happend was, he closed the site, and wanted the $750 back, but realiced he could not

Yeah.. sucks for him.

This industry is even rougher on newbies these days

But if his application still hasn't been approved or declined, shouldn't he have the option to pull back the app & get the app fee back? Especially if it has been significantly longer than the 5-7 day approval time (although he didn't state how long hes been waiting... it could have been 8 days.. )

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


trust me -they KNOw what "fail" means - but they dont quit, and that is why they are still around - they bounce back

Oh yes we all know the word fail. We also just know to get back up one more time than we are knocked down, that is all it takes.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by freeadultcontent


I have no reason to contact them at this present time. When the time comes to need such a company it will be ccbill though. For no other reason than I see the support they offer, they are not faceless, can take one on the chin, and participate with webmasters in a forum that all 3rd parties should.

Ok.. now you've confused me and lost my support

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by goBigtime



Yeah.. sucks for him.

This industry is even rougher on newbies these days

But if his application still hasn't been approved or declined, shouldn't he have the option to pull back the app & get the app fee back? Especially if it has been significantly longer than the 5-7 day approval time (although he didn't state how long hes been waiting... it could have been 8 days.. )

Shit lets see, ccbill sends application and funds to visa, ccbill has to wait for visa to say yes or no. CCbill can give back the money out of their own pocket, but what happens when visa sends back a yes after they do? Think ccbill can recover those funds from visa?

Hell if they can then sure but I dunno.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by goBigtime



But if his application still hasn't been approved or declined, shouldn't he have the option to pull back the app & get the app fee back? Especially if it has been significantly longer than the 5-7 day approval time (although he didn't state how long hes been waiting... it could have been 8 days.. )

No - not if I was CCbill - they spend time on the application, and thats why it cost money.

If a customer ask me to fix his server, and I spend 4 hours finding what is wrong, but he just want it back without getting the problem fixed, Im STILL gonna bill him for the 4 hours

[boncne]

Originally posted by corvett


I just came across this

boncne, with all due respect, I fail to see a catch here. If you want to be visa registered, you pay the registration fee and we will submit your application through to Visa. Once we get an ?accepted? response from Visa, we will update your signup form to allow Visa transactions. If you are not accepted, we will refund the registration fee to you, however you had paid it.

Once your registration is submitted, you cannot change your mind and expect to get the registration fee back. That is a decision that should have been made before you had requested and paid for your Visa registration.

After submission, our clients normally find out that they get their Visa turned on within a reasonable amount of time, if you feel that it is not the case, contact us so that we can follow up.

Ztik, boncne, please contact me via icq or email, I will be happy to look at your accounts individually.

Thanks

[email protected]
45471840

This is exactly the kind of evasion I experienced on the phone with CCBill. Mark - read what you just wrote. There's a BIG hole there that allows CCBill to never refund $$$ for unapproved accounts. All CCBill has to do is not inform the applicant that the application was rejected and state that it's still being processed.

And I suspected that that was what was going on with my account since I was not given a direct answer to my question, "Suppose VISA doesn't respond.... for 3 years. When would we get refunded?"

I have accepted the loss of the $$ but CCBill's refusal to give me a date that I could get the $$ back screams scam. "You get the refund if the application isn't approved. It hasn't been turned down yet so we can't refund the money."

It was this and the fact that we just weren't making the cash that prompted us to close. I may have given it another month but not with CCBill dancing around direct questions and refusing to answer them.

There's no telling how many sales we missed because we can't accept visa. Since CCBill can't tell me when they'll know if we can or can't accept VISA, we've GOT to close.

Simple question:

If an application for VISA acceptance never gets processed, at what point is a refund given?

I appretiated the way CCBill offered to turn on VISA processing for us since it had been 2 weeks since we applied. However when I got the run around on the answer to that simple question, I decided I'd rather go ahead and close since we may end up losing VISA acceptance soon after it was turned on. I've been scammed too many times (once... 3rd dimension technologies in 1997) to not be cautious with evasive salesmen.

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by goBigtime



Ok.. now you've confused me and lost my support

Damn it now your confusing me too.

Recap. I have no problem with ccbill, nor do I use them right now. I think the poster is on some sort of delusional crack binge.