A-Fucking men.

yeah, the ls1 is worth over 450hp without hardly any mods, and no computer changes. gm holds back quite a bit here. i don't think changing an airfilter will add 65rwhp, but then again maybe it's the most absolutely restrictive air filter on the planet.

i agree about soccer moms and lancer and wrx with u... but im not talking about your car, i'm talking about general production.... lets say if u take 1000 hondas or bmw or audi and 1000 fords and drive them up to 200,000km, i can bet anything that much more imports or german cars will come there then ford, see my point ? about wrx i agree it's a peice of shit with pink sti logo BUT they are quick 300hp from intercooled engine with 4 wheel drive system.

3 this year to commemorate the 100th anniversary, nobody knows how many they will actually make though.

And I hope your question wasn't a 'jab' at the GT40 because I specifically remember you in a past GT thread stating "Remember this thread, I will own one".

By the way, rumor is that they are looking at more like 590horsepower instead of the projected 500, so I'm assuming faster then 3.9 is not out of the question if the rest of the car is engineered well.

If they're fast, available, and servicable, I'll get one. Those are my only three criteria.

Wtf? I didn't say the air filter gave that kind of gains, but people have dyno proven 10rwhp from removing an air silencer, while that doesnt show a lot it gives you some idea of how the engine is breathing through a straw.

But yeah, I know LS1's are wicked, but I do consider new cams past the 'hardly any mods' stage and I don't think most people can get a LS1 that high N/A without cams.

I love the LS1 engine mind you, I just get tired of the perpetual insult ford threads by elitists =)

i hate those ppl too with fake stickers who think they got a hot car (civic).. about supras, they can get into 8's with no nitrous... if you think the more horse power the better u're wrong... i bet u that 600hp supra will eat 700-800hp stang in1/4 mile anyday, it's about right hookup anddriver...

WTF, never said anything about a air silencer getting to 450rwhp. Why do you assume I am lying about cobra times and dyno sheets? If you believe I'm lying so much feel free to do some research on the subject, or go to the track and watch.

bullshit. yeah, for a time american cars may not have been as reliable as a 70's honda cvcc, but that's not the case anymore.

i've seen proof. nice cars, shitty cars, whatever. i sold american cars. i had an old chevy celebrity, was my first car, and try as hard as i could, i could not make that car die. i went way over oil changes every time. once i went about 18000 miles without an oil change. no shit, one of my friends bought the stupid piece of shit and she's still driving it. most reliable car i've probably owned. always started, and it was WAY cheaper than an import to fix. same with my other domestics. quite reliable, and when they did break, i spent 1/3-1/2 of what i spent to fix an import.

$400 for a timing belt? fuck that, i've got a CHAIN.

with today's design, and even moderately decent maintenance, a car will live a long time. 100k miles is nothing. wonder why they started putting the extra digits on the odometer? that's why.

poorly maintain any car, and it will degenerate rapidly. especially a vw.

Oh I agree it's true, a lot of ford cars have in the past had piss poor reliability, but IMO most of the Mustangs and Mustang based cars are overall built much better then almost all of fords other cars. I also think American cars have made huge leaps in reliability in the past 5-10 years.

I believe a lot of complains about American cars come from people who buy sub 10k cars and are amazed that the quality is not the same as a 30k+ car.

As for german and japanese cars lasting longer, I wouldn't know I have never owned one ;) I do respect most cars, it's the owners that piss me off -_-

Ya ok, my buddy has a supra and is puttin a head gasket on it every week. No boost NO power. Plain and simple. Straight six aint gonna cut it loser

you see, the only looser here is you who thinks u got hot car which is FORD @! open your fucking eyes

http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/merchant/8sec.shtml
this will eat ur gayass ford anyday

1200rwhp. 6 cylinders. No NOS.

i swear i would take acura 3.2 type s over ur 8sec peice of shit

you think you can make a supra hook better than a mustang? hardly. the mustang is much more suspension-mod friendly. and where the hell do you find 90/10 drag shocks and springs for a supra? how do you fit 10 or 12" slicks under a supra without cutting it all sorts of up? how's a manual supra going to shift better than an automatic with a strip kit?

i'd rather have 250 hp in my truck than the 85 the factory rates it for. i'd say that's better.


a little history on the ls1. gm originally introduced 4 versions of the engine, ranging from 450hp to 600hp. the 600hp model was named the "coffin" version, for what reasons i do not know. i believe this was the motor that is used in the c5r race car, but i can't verify that (btw, you can order all the parts for the c5r, unassembled, if you want one - for i think about $125k).

i am under the impression a cam change is not necessary for the 450hp. i may be wrong, but everything i've read/heard is "minor modifications" - which i would not classify as a cam change, either. basically, i understood it that the breathing on both ends of that motor is fairly awful. opening up the air intake system, and helping out the exhaust will add a ton. the factory exhaust manifolds are fairly decent on the lsX, but they could still use help.


hey, since we're talking about factory perfomance bullshit, anyone hear about gm's crazy crate motor? it's supposed to go in the cien. dunno if it did. i believe it is a northstar, v12, that is about the _same physical size_ as a v8. 750 emissions-legal horsepower. yeah.

lol.. hard to believe i, of all people, am sticking up for a ford.

Wicked:thumbsup

Post timeslips of ANYTHING you drive, including your moped, or shut the fuck up. Look up realist in the dictionary....you met one.

ford produces roushe mustangs today.
http://www.roushperf.com/mustanghome.htm

hey i got no problem with u, its that peiece of shit who has to diss everyone because he owns ford and can't afford anything else, so he HAS to PROVE to everyone that it's BETTER, BUT it's NOT !!!!!!!!!

Please post the timeslips of the one you drive, pics would help.

Ok the supra barely cracked into the 8's? Im over 6/10ths faster as is? I dont see the point. Besides the massive money he spent on that supra. And if you think its reliable your lost in space my friend No mid 8sec car is reliable.:321GFY

i didn't say it reliable, was talking about general products

41 fucking psi? i don't think even the few turbo funny cars are running that. 25 maybe. put 41psi on a v8 :). you can no longer argue import reliability at 41 psi of boost, that thing needs a rebuild every weekend.



a note on the supra head gaskets... you might want to look for an exact number, but, if you over-torque the bolts, that is known to fix many a head gasket woes. i've heard countless people doing that, and it working reliably. i almost bought a supra, so i did the research. over torque the bolts, the head gasket won't blow anymore. :warning

And the massive money you spent to get your piece of shit car into the 8's, assuming it is even true. Idiot....There are plenty of TT supras DAILY DRIVEN that would embarass your hat on backward ass. hahaha.......

you're probably not familiar with the eternal ford vs. chevy rivalry.


and hey, what's wrong with spending $30k on a 15year-old american muscle car to make it very fast, and very nice? :Graucho

I love how you are a realist because you are preaching about a car you don't own and care nothing about.

I'm not trying to prove to you that I own the car or what I ran, I'm trying to fucking tell you what it is capable of, I could care less about impressing some self righteous retard on GFY.

Well regardless, this is my last reply to you, because while you may think your dissaproval or disbelief matters.. it doesn't =)

Hope to meet you at the track some day!

where is your car?
your sig speaks miles about you.
yo
:1orglaugh

eh, gotta disagree with that. i don't think you can make a car in the low 8's reliable, unless it's that new 1001hp 0-180 in under 8 seconds or whatever bugatti. most cars out there just won't do it, unfortunately.

listen man, nothing wrong, every person has it's own taste, but there are some people who just have to fucking showoff and start talking shit. It's obvious that his stang IS fast but it's also IN the shop which says it all....

Man the guy who does my aluminum fabrication is the engineer at Greddy. Any ricer knows who Greddy is. The head gaskets have and always be the biggest problem for the turbo/blown ricers. Not to mention front wheel drive ricers. How many cv axles do you guys bring to the track every weekend. If your not breakin cv axles your SLOW

A-fuckin'-men!

Your right MY SHOP meathead

i don't race ricers. i'm just telling you, tighten the head bolts, you'll live happier :)

If Greddy doesnt know how to resolve the problem noone does in the import camp

i could really use a hookup at greddy... hint, hint...

eh, be that as it may, i know it works, at least on stock vehicles. known several people that it has worked pretty well for. hey, can it hurt anything? try it :)

but don't over-torque them 50ft-lbs or something crazy. please, don't do that.

i'm not asian u cocksucker... ok its late here,ganna go sleep, enough for today, we can continue tomorow :glugglug

No I hear ya man, I dont touch those ricers but my buddy has consistently gone 9.30 while leaving the head gasket at the end of the 1320. Just nature of the beast. Believe it or not the Japs did not engineer for 30 pounds of boost on there straight six.

Ya im not understanding the asian comment. But ok sleep tight

yeah, see that's the problem. 30lbs of boost. the car is stock with what, maybe 12?

i've never seen one with a supra, but maybe try and find a copper head gasket, and overtorque just a little bit.

The proble lies in the bore spacing. Thats the issue. Hes been using the copper gasket for some time now. Who knows. I know my 598 inch never eats a head gasket. Gotta love big inch american muscle