eh, actually, i hate to admit it, but if you're 1) at highway speeds or more and 2) you have a DECENT wing (which most are NOT), they actually make the cars more stable handling. then again, i'd never drive a front wheel drive at a curvy track, and never have. awd or rwd only. but, admittedly, the wings at highway speeds are not a gigantic improvement, but it does help some.

but again, you can't achieve that with just a run-of-the-mill sooper hoop ricer crap wing. their aerodynamics aren't built for downforce.

So effectivley what I did to the stang. To go 8's it would need nothing short of a 4 link. Is the 409 in your nick in reference to the Impala motor back in the day?

Drag racing, can you pick a more boring sport:2 cents:

1.5g's at launch is not that boring to me. But to each his own

nah, you don't need a 4link to do 8's. ladder bars. 4links take to long to dial in, i'm impatient :). i don't have anything in the 8's right now, but i know some people that do, and they all swear by the ladder bars.


the 409 impala was a BBC. it actually comes from my project car (as lame as that is), my iroc that i'm dropping in a 409 SBC. but, actually it might end up being a 406. or, i've toyed with 415, but i kinda want to keep the revs up.

going to go 406, 6-speed trans, 12-bolt rear. and actually, i'm toying with the idea of keeping the 10-bolt. prior to common belief, you CAN make a 10-bolt survive power. my block is actually a 2-bolt, but i think i will leave it that way. the mains aren't as strong themselves with a 2-bolt, but the block is. gm put a lot of extra material in the bottom end of the 2-bolt sbc so it would hold up. worse comes to worse, i'll install splayed caps and have basically the strongest reused block style available. but, gm rates the 2-bolt to 650hp, and they always rate hp #'s low.

the car is going to be a driver mainly, with weekend trips to the strip and curvies, so i'm keeping the iroc suspension (but modded), and the motor will be around 500hp n/a. not bad for a driver.

it's a slow project, because my car's been sitting in my garage too much. our shop's kinda small, and it's usually full. i think i'm going to just buy some land outside town and build me a big, nice shop for my projects. i've got 1 triumph, 2 old 40-50 trucks, and a 40's delivery van i want to turn into a sweet show van for events. the big shop would be nice.

my "racecar" project i've been thinking about doing someday for some real fun... a 97-ish cavalier 2-door with a blown, nitrous 696. yeah.

Dude you definitely do not want a ladder bar car in the 8's. No way. I been drag racing for 12 years and have seen the ladder bars constantly stuck and locked on launch. Bad move. We run with Jon Kaase if you know him. The absloute finest big inch Ford engine builder in the country. http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/ we have been buildin the 800 inch IHRA motors that dominate the Chevys and Dodge boys "fake Hemi" that they have revised. Which is a ford wedge head. But the chevy and dodge boys complained enough and got their rule changes so they have a shot at a championshiip in IHRA this year. The big inch (800") motors have belonged to Ford for ever and dont see that changin anytime soon

This thread ain't about wings. It was about a pretty cool car Ford may be coming out with. Is your ego that battered, bruised, and fragile that you had to puff out your man teets and brag about your gay little car?? Who cares! This thread was about a unique car, not about an 8 second car that anyone who goes to a track has seen a dozen times already. :1orglaugh

Why bother with these idiots, they are a bunch of European overpriced shitbox snobs -_-.

They don't care about the performance of cars, they care about how rich it makes them look.

And FYI, to all you 'haters' ford already has a car competing with a Vette, its called the 03/04/06 Cobra. Z06 > 03 > C5. And don't give me that crap about how they aren't even in the same league, the vettes interior is total garbage for a car of that price.

I bet it pisses all these dumbshits off to know that there are people out there that aren't impressed with their 80k 'luxury sedans' -_-

Ya p00p your right buddy. That unique car was a FORD correct

A sesible one in the group. AMEN:thumbsup :thumbsup

That's not it at all dude its having grown up with Fords, driving them and more often then not walking my ass home because they suck. Damn Ford's have left me stranded some many times it's not even funny.
Hey as a cheap muscle car a Mustang is ok, but a Ford supercar, please its still a Ford built by the same hicks, with the same people making the parts no thanks.

Who the fuck put a woopin on all the german and british cars in the 60's at Lemans. FORD HICKS namely Carrol Shelby. Let's see, Porsche, Ferrari and we can keep goin on and on that got caught with their pants down. GT40 a supercar for sure

Please post timeslips of a stock Cobra vs. a stock Corvette. Don't suck the Cobra's cock because you read a hotrod magazine or a Mustang board. Post proof.

Here is mine, that a stock Cobra isn't faster then a stock vette.
If you know the weight of both cars, and the HP difference you will understand, if not, you are yet another idiot who probably rides a moped.

350hp stock 2003 Cobra.
http://www.mafterburner.com/images/dynoscan006.jpg

That thing is fucking dog ugly...

hrm, never heard of that ladder bar problem. but, i only personally talk much with a handful of people that run 8's. most of the nicer cars are around the 10's. street cars, in other words.

haven't heard about the new ford 800 inchers. but, then again i honestly don't pay a ton of attention to the mopar motors either. we don't get to rebuild a ton of motors around here, since probably 70% of our clientele is ricers. unfortunately we have to compete with the likes of speedway motors. the gearheads in this area are very entrenched in their ways, and there are a lot of good hotrod speed shops around here. but no import shops to speak of, besides a stereo shop that claims they're the shit for speed parts. if, by speed parts you mean a fake cold-air intake and altezza tailights.

i'm much more familiar with the chevy builders, like lunati and ligenfelter. if i remember right, lunati was #2 in pro street to hit 200mph in the quarter. i wish he would have been first, he was hitting 198, but not cutting it. he's got that sweet-ass "street legal" green '68 camaro. the first one to hit 200 (201 to be exact) was "the ghost" - a white 95-ish fuel injected camaro. i think that guy (can't %@#$ remember his name now) was one of the few "pioneers" of sorts to use fuel injection in p/s as well. lunati doesn't to this day, i don't think. sad, they should :).

i think a ford guy was the first to use the turbo setup though. there were 2 first cars using turbos, a 95-ish stang and a '57 chevy. can't remember which one is first. i've been around computers too damn much lately :(

i couldn't imagine driving a 2000 horsepower car though, like a lot of the 696 chevy's are. what a rush. someday, i shall be strapped behind such a monster. maybe the cavalier. the original idea was a metro hatchback, but that was way too gay, and the cavalier i can drive down and meet the ricers. see if they'd be dumb enough to race. believe me, they are.

:1orglaugh :helpme

the ls1/ls6 is such an amazing motor, with such amazing capabilities. gm is holding back sooooo much with that car.


did anyone see some of the concept cars and race cars gm has out? besides the incredibly frightening 2.2 ecotech-powered drag cavalier, there was a 500hp n/a firebird ls6 with gm-installed 300hp of nitrous. unfortunately they won't be producing that one :(

LOL the only reason this happened is because Ferrari told Ford to shove his offer to buy Ferrari up his ass. Ford was so pissed he spent no expense to beat them took what 3 years or so to do it. Big bad Ford taking on a small race shop, go Ford:1orglaugh

Nothin new about the 800" Fords they have dominated for 10 years in IHRA pro stock. As for your guys Tony Christian and the likes of those guys is who your talking about. Im talkin Naturally aspirated 2 dominators in the 6.60's

Thats a crack up. I know true racers just let other manufacturers win. The biggest German and British Event, they just layed down and rolled over. :321GFY

aah.. yeah, you'd need 800" for that :)


mwahah! i love gm! an excerpt from their site about jeg coughlin's monster cavalier. that's right, with the same motor you can get in a brand new cavalier. where's ford's 850+ hp 2.0 zetec? lol. i'm sure it could happen, with a lot of effort, but the thought of a zx2 with 850 hp is for some reason more amusing than a cavalier :)

You have any clue what it cost Jeg and his family to win that championship? Try 3 million.

bahaha... i don't doubt it. that car alone has got to be VERY pricey... espcecially that motor. he's probably glad i buy some parts from him. but he needs to send me a new hat, my old one is getting pretty damn worn.

Vette's are the biggest over rated pieces of shit on the planet. My Stage 3 Roush Swallows Vette's.

If I won a Vette I would sell it and buy a real car :)

:thumbsup :thumbsup

but i bet a stage II ligenfelter vette would eat a stage 3 roush. at least on the salt flats, if nothing else :)

Please post pics and timeslips.
Thx.

P.S. while I am still here...when is the last time Ford built a Roush Mustang? Your program you are promoting must suck if that is all you can afford. :1orglaugh

Number1Thumb, i hate people like u... i mean who gives a shit about ur gay ford which got no style, no look, cheap, fucking unreliable car (go look costumer reports), no comfort, i can go on forever and you THINK u cool in it? lol. Also dont diss imports, cuz they will eat ur little ford alive, ever saw what can be done to supra's on a stock internals ?if not go look... btw they will beat ur stang plus you can ride in it not walk home after urshit breaks

Are you under the impression that the same division that makes the beater ford pickups and mini vans is working on the GT40? I do not think this is the case. They have oodles of money, who is to say they cannot produce a good high end car as well as any company.

No I do not have dyno sheets scanned, I tried to find them in a thread in the past and I wasnt able too, dyno was 363rwhp stock with 250 miles on it, I'm sure a few ponies have been gained since the breakin.

At a fordchips dyno day in Denver a bone stock 03 Cobra dynoed 385rwhp, verified bone stock by 3 of the tuners. That is more then enough of a power advantage to nullify the weight difference, don't you think?

Car currently ran a best of 12.53, 2 weeks ago, with about $1300 in mods (most of it on stainless exhaust - Magnaflow for life) - and I admit that I am not the best stick driver, I am used to racing autos. How many miles was on yours? Basing from the averages that I have seen (from the Mustang club I am a member of) they seem to be dynoing around 369rwhp on average, some weaker some stronger).

I'm sorry but a C5 Vette more then likely dynos around 325rwhp (Basing this off estimation, since LS1, LS6, etc are usually under rated), and it does have a aero dynamic and weight advantage, which makes it pretty damn close. IBoth are stock high 12 second cars.

But stock for stock, ON MY EXPERIENCES OBSERVING AT THE TRACK, 03 cobras are beating C5's more often then not. Your mileage may vary. The point is the Ford GT is not meant to compete with vettes, because they are not even remotely in the same class. I know a Z06 vette is faster, but a C5 isn't.

mods mods mods...fuck you loser!
Post STOCK dyno numbers of the feared 2003 Cobra. STOCK dyno numbers! :1orglaugh

because, how many unreliable cars you see produced by bmw,acura,mb,audi,etc? now how many by ford,chev,etc ? the ratio becomes huge, now how the fuck will they produce another car when all(most) their products suck ? simple example, you suck at making websites, now you want to make amazing one with complicated java and php scripts, you think you will finish it right /? also i've read about their high end cobra svt to being discontinued due to many problems

Dude that is such bullshit, my old 5.0 had 147,000 miles on it with zero problems and only regular maint and spark plug changes. Wow that is super unreliable.

And rofl, CONSUMER REPORTS? You base your opinions on cars from magazines where 90% of the info is contributed by soccer moms? WTF.

I remember reading consumer reports regarding a Trans AM WS6 a while back and some of the complaints were that it was too noisy - i mean wtf?

I have respect for some imports, as long as they don't try to make their car look like it came straight out of the fast and the furious. But he's right, big ass wings that probably at 25 lbs of weight on FWD cars? Totally retarded.

I would rather own a Mustang, Camaro, Trans Am, Cobra, Vette and the likes then some "LANCER EVO" or "WRX STi".. or any luxury car. They are fun, fast and raw. I don't want heated leather seats, I don't want voice activated crap, I don't want a 4,500 pound piece of shit that can go over railroad tracks at 60 and feel like it is floating on clouds.

baahahah... i can respect a well-done import. not the kind with the fake exhaust and the speed-adding apc stickers.

as fast as supras are, they are not going to beat a big block ford like he's got. 8.30 on a mostly stock-motored supra? a supra with a stock bottom end, even if by some miracle (or 500hp nitrous) will NOT be reliable, and it will most likely blow something after a few runs.

i can get to 10.5 in my mazda truck reliably, and cheaply. maybe even to 10. but getting into the 9's, it's no longer going to stay reliable.

and, i can build a big block chevy motor on $2000 and blow the doors off most imports with $10000 invested. oh crap, that motor will be reliable, too. what do you think i could do to that BBC with $10000? about the tune of 800-900 horsepower.

there is NO replacement for displacement.

i love toyotas, and hate fords, but that was a very ignorant comment. that's the kind of person i see here in town with a fake vtec civic trying to race a vintage stingray, or a muscle car with a 6-71 out the hood.

yeah, i've seen a stock neon with one slight modification be put to the 10's. but that one modification was 500hp of nitrous, and it lived for 3 runs, then blew.

I did, not the chart, but If you think I'm lying feel free to look at the other 1500 people who have posted similar dyno sheets. I don't have mine on my computer, sorry.

But regardless, there is something you need to understand. SVT created a car for tuners and racers, and put it out of the factory with much less power then it is capable of to keep insurance costs and other red tape down. Have you seen the gains simply by removing the air silencer? You have to respect 450rwhp for what little it costs to get there.

Bottom line is put up or shut up. That is directed to the Ford fanatics.... :Graucho
And I am talking STOCK. Why do all the ford guys have to jump into car threads with what their MODDED cars can do vs. STOCK cars? :1orglaugh

New GT. Aren't they only building 3? Is it faster than 3.9 seconds 0-60 like this?

http://www.adult.com/lens/newviper.jpg

The dyno # is stock. The track time is not, i modded my car very soon so I do not have stock track times because I did not go to the track until 1500 miles.

How is it put up or shut up? I'm assuming that 03 isn't yours and you just found it on the net, how about you search for the rest that are not dynoing unusually low? (Aka, something that was not dynoed at 6000 feet altitude).

Post timeslips, 1/4 mile times, stock dyno sheets etc.
Until then, put up or shut up.
This thread is getting tedious........and boring.
Post a stock Cobra doing 450 rwhp with an air fuddy removed. :1orglaugh