Great News for Mindgeek and Some of Us in the Adult Industry!

[Porno Dan]

Visa has turned back on processing for all of Mindgeek professionally generated content sites for their own productions like Brazzers, Reality Kings, Mofos and partners like Mile High, Sweet Sinner, and Dog House Digital

I am optimistic they will soon work out their issues with their Porn Hub platform as well.

The new version of the major tube sites that are coming will be one that is free of anonymous and illegally uploaded content and will usher in a new age of opportunities for all of us that shoot scenes and hopefully all exploitative content will be a thing of the past

Now that the adult industry has taken this strong stance it is time for mainstream platforms to do the same.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/busine...ion-on-pornhub

[Klen]

Article says "professionally generated content" which kind sounds like paysite part.

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by Klen

Article says "professionally generated content" which kind sounds like paysite part.

Yes correct

[ZENRA]

This is very good news.

[J. Falcon]

That is positive news. It's a start.

[arock10]

Pic posts will finally be king again

[NatalieK]

fantastic news...

while many will continue to knock the tubes and PH. this, for content providers & legit affiliates, is a good turn for the business side of the adult industry

[RyuLion]

It shows who has the real power!!

[bean-aid]

What's the saying... can't put the tooth paste back in the bottle? Traffic will just shift to another source, likely filelockers.

[CaptainHowdy]

[PorcoRosso]

Excellent news!
Our partners Nutaku can indeed process again with Visa, that's a great positive development for the adult gaming industry.
And adult industry in general, what they call "professionaly generated content" is where the real money is for most of us. And for MD as well, I'm not an expert but I'd say that most of their revenues come from professionally generated content. UGC is probably more a "traffic generator" than directly a "money generator".

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Now that the adult industry has taken this strong stance it is time for mainstream platforms to do the same.

... that'd be fantastic, but are there any signs of such evolution?

[itx]

Millions of people liked porn in secret. the message maybe is if you don't own the content you're in the sword, and let illegal things arguing is "user uploaded content".

[yuu.design]

Good to hear!

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by Klen

Article says "professionally generated content" which kind sounds like paysite part.

It sounds like cam models and other amateurs on OF type platforms are excluded.

[Richard J Greer]

I like it

[itx]

I find a lots of videos on Pornhub with hosts assault and underage videos, the reason because VISA/Mastercard blocked them.

[Reox]

thats a good news

[itx]

Now the videos disappear. LoL

[faxxaff]

what's good about that?
Visa allows to bill for stuff nobody buys, but the stuff that sells they won't bill for?

[SRProductions]

wow amazing

[SRProductions]

didn't expect that

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

what's good about that?
Visa allows to bill for stuff nobody buys, but the stuff that sells they won't bill for?

It's amazing to me how ignorant a lot of GFY posters are.

[SpicyM]

Great news!

[adultchatpay]

yeah good news for sure

[Matyko]

I was told by a bigger partner that PH is still actively paying out Premium partners which is superb news.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Matyko

I was told by a bigger partner that PH is still actively paying out Premium partners which is superb news.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by trevesty

It's amazing to me how ignorant a lot of GFY posters are.

I am pretty sure adult would be in a much better position without Mindgeek being around.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I am pretty sure adult would be in a much better position without Mindgeek being around.

Absolutely this ^^^

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by Matyko

I was told by a bigger partner that PH is still actively paying out Premium partners which is superb news.

I got paid last month.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I am pretty sure adult would be in a much better position without Mindgeek being around.

I saw some numbers recently that adult is 15b-20b / year and mindgeek is doing under 1b revenue

it seems like they're not as powerful as one might think. I suspect they are cultivating the "monopoly" narrative for business reasons.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

I saw some numbers recently that adult is 15b-20b / year and mindgeek is doing under 1b revenue

it seems like they're not as powerful as one might think. I suspect they are cultivating the "monopoly" narrative for business reasons.

I highly doubt the there is 15-20 billion in annual revenue. With that said I cannot outright reject the figure.

Applying some sort of basic business/mathematical logic, one should consider the following:

If MindGeek's annual revenue is 1 billion (example), and they have 45 percent (example) of the www traffic visiting their sites, than we can broadly presume that the industry wide revenue from 100 percent of www traffic is approximately 2.2 billion dollars annually.

[tbaahp]

no one cares about shitty professionally shot content anymore. they want onlyfans

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I am pretty sure adult would be in a much better position without Mindgeek being around.

Ok, but that doesn't change the fact that what you said was incredibly ignorant. I'm not sure why anyone would trust your opinion when you've demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about, but here we are.

Originally Posted by NALEM

I highly doubt the there is 15-20 billion in annual revenue. With that said I cannot outright reject the figure.

Applying some sort of basic business/mathematical logic, one should consider the following:

If MindGeek's annual revenue is 1 billion (example), and they have 45 percent (example) of the www traffic visiting their sites, than we can broadly presume that the industry wide revenue from 100 percent of www traffic is approximately 2.2 billion dollars annually.

It's even funnier when people post stuff like this. Imagine being as vocal as you are about "Mindgeek bad" and then being this ignorant to the industry you supposedly work in.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by tbaahp

no one cares about shitty professionally shot content anymore. they want onlyfans

The same was said about MyFreeCams and Chaturbate when they launched. OF is just a new market player for a big segment of users. The two types of users aren't mutually exclusive and this kind of narrow mind will prevent you from making real money.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

I saw some numbers recently that adult is 15b-20b / year and mindgeek is doing under 1b revenue

it seems like they're not as powerful as one might think. I suspect they are cultivating the "monopoly" narrative for business reasons.

Including cams and sites like OnlyFans, etc., it's pretty likely. Broke dicks here don't realize how much others are making while they're on GFY whining about tubes instead of making their business better.

I don't know that MG cultivates the monopoly narrative. It would just make them a target. They certainly do for their pay site business in their marketing to affiliates, though.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by tbaahp

no one cares about shitty professionally shot content anymore. they want onlyfans

no one cares about shitty professionally shot Hollywood movies anymore. they want
Home made videos

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by tbaahp

no one cares about shitty professionally shot content anymore. they want onlyfans

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@povjoe

I update free shit every day. Tips accepted

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by celandina

no one cares about shitty professionally shot Hollywood movies anymore. they want
Home made videos

Its shocking how much of my traffic is for onlyfans models. A single DMCA takedown request for an onlyfans model cut my traffic almost 5%.

If someone can figure out how to use tube traffic to sell onlyfans subscriptions -- they will be rich.

[beavr]

Originally Posted by celandina

no one cares about shitty professionally shot Hollywood movies anymore. they want
Home made videos

there's a room for both

[beavr]

Originally Posted by NALEM

I highly doubt the there is 15-20 billion in annual revenue. With that said I cannot outright reject the figure.

Applying some sort of basic business/mathematical logic, one should consider the following:

If MindGeek's annual revenue is 1 billion (example), and they have 45 percent (example) of the www traffic visiting their sites, than we can broadly presume that the industry wide revenue from 100 percent of www traffic is approximately 2.2 billion dollars annually.

It's really easy to estimate with with just a few companies making 70% of the market like:

Mindgeek with tubes, TrafficJunky and paysites
Streamate WL network + affiliated groups
Xvideos and the rest of the Group
Xhamster with Stripchat and TrafficStars
OnlyFans/MFC
Chaturbate
LiveJasmin

There are some few big local players in local markets as well, especially in Japan, UK, Germany, France.

[Cameltoepro]

Originally Posted by amacontent

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@povjoe

I update free shit every day. Tips accepted

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[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by beavr

It's really easy to estimate with with just a few companies making 70% of the market like:

Mindgeek with tubes, TrafficJunky and paysites
Streamate WL network + affiliated groups
Xvideos and the rest of the Group
Xhamster with Stripchat and TrafficStars
OnlyFans/MFC
Chaturbate
LiveJasmin

There are some few big local players in local markets as well, especially in Japan, UK, Germany, France.

You forgot the adult dating industry

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You forgot the adult dating industry

Plus quite a few aggregator networks, a few Ruskies have very big tube networks (not just TubeCorporate), etc.

But yeah, broke dicks here seem to forget there's $100mm/yr companies who cater to JUST Germany / Austria / Switzerland, etc etc.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Plus quite a few aggregator networks, a few Ruskies have very big tube networks (not just TubeCorporate), etc.

But yeah, broke dicks here seem to forget there's $100mm/yr companies who cater to JUST Germany / Austria / Switzerland, etc etc.

Since we have hired a takedown company, they have removed our content from several hundred tubes and other pirate sites and Google delisted close to 200 tubes and other thieves ( and yes many Ruski ones also).

The upshot is ? Our business went up almost 50 %, because MOST of the " click and play" stolen content is gone and the other pirates are much harder to find

[celandina]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You forgot the adult dating industry

Do you mean guys pretending to be women trying to cheat other guys ?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by celandina

Since we have hired a takedown company, they have removed our content from several hundred tubes and other pirate sites and Google delisted close to 200 tubes and other thieves ( and yes many Ruski ones also).

The upshot is ? Our business went up almost 50 %, because MOST of the " click and play" stolen content is gone and the other pirates are much harder to find

Which takedown company did you hire? PM me if you prefer to keep it private. I think I could use one of those right about now!

[necoeds]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Which takedown company did you hire? PM me if you prefer to keep it private. I think I could use one of those right about now!

*cough* *cough* I also would like to know which takedown company you hired... or PM me as well please if you wish to keep it private

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by celandina

Since we have hired a takedown company, they have removed our content from several hundred tubes and other pirate sites and Google delisted close to 200 tubes and other thieves ( and yes many Ruski ones also).

The upshot is ? Our business went up almost 50 %, because MOST of the " click and play" stolen content is gone and the other pirates are much harder to find

Did these sites rank for your brand and/or scene titles or something? Maybe even out rank you? If so, then that increase makes total sense. Either way, congrats.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Which takedown company did you hire? PM me if you prefer to keep it private. I think I could use one of those right about now!

Let me check with them after the weekend. I was apparently one of the few new " adult guinea pigs". I offered them some "plugs" here ( mind you that was a few months ago), they were NOT yet ready then. So, I will check again.... But historically I am battling pirates for years. I had a guy inside our company doing it ( until he went for bigger and better job), then I had a member here from Manila doing it manually ( until she went back to university and had to quit) and then company named MUSO ( good guys, but very expensive)... These current guys are most reasonable and very effective in comparison to all others. I am "on" with them since September.... I will of course let everybody know as soon as they are ready and allow me to ID them.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Did these sites rank for your brand and/or scene titles or something? Maybe even out rank you? If so, then that increase makes total sense. Either way, congrats.

Not sure if I understand you exactly, but as an example....

Name of our site could be googled with a request for "free" or fucking "user uploaded" content. Of course our site does NOT have free content, so most of the pirates shown up instead. Many where phony ( looking for clicks and full of cul-de-sacs and other shit), but if the person was persistent enough, they found a "click and play" tube or some file sharing site.

Since we have a VOD site, so searching for a single title, with " free" prefix also caused that the title ( usually in the same sites) also shown up.

Now, if you search, in most cases you still get the same response, BUT once you get to the link, you will get 404 error, or "file not found" or "content removed due to copyright claim" etc... Also you get Google pages stating to go see Lumen since copyright claim was received and approved by Google. Some sites we also completely "killed", usually US based hosts.

It is too early for me to make an exact assessment, but majority of our easily searchable content is gone and only a few " Moldovan" or "Asian" sites full of crappy adds and viruses are left. I hope this good trend will continue.