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Remember, the problem in this case was that legit sex crimes where being uploaded by PornHub users. Most billers such as Epoch do routine audits of site content I expect this to increase, perhaps better enforcement of 2257/documentation.
While PornHub seems to be taking big steps toward compliance, I believe the "freeze" will probably not be restored anytime soon, maybe never. I doubt that Visa/MC would roll out a freeze industry wide - however its possible that sites using Visa/MC to access user generated content (UGC) could lose processing in the long run.Comment
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You guys do know this will be a trickle-down effect right? 2257 happened during the Bush administration they do things like this every 10 years or so to porn, but it was to regulate the dumb asses actually uploading the unlawful content. Porn hub tries to be compliant by making users show ID etc. but i guess that wasn't enough for visa/master card. but once things hit the press, the companies act fast to save face so they won't be blamed for things out of their control.next it will be onlyfans, we all know how some on these youngsters are getting behind their systems by, sharing accounts using fake IDs etc. all of you content owners are yelling yaaa!! but dont be too happy everyone will be effected by this.Comment
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I wouldn't worry too much right now.
Visa/MC are legally obliged to refrain from processing in connection with illegal activity. They had no choice. So long as your site doesnt have illegal content, industry will be fine. However, sites that allow user generated content (ie tubes, forums) will likely face strict regulation in the near future.Comment
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If the tubes only posted Content Partner material or content they licensed/bought there would be no (or at least fewer) issues.My Affiliate Programs:
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Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.
The other big issue is it going to really affect the models
f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:
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https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/
Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros
That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner
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This doom scenario may not happen Dan.
Remember that these sites process a fuck ton of $$$ with MC & Visa and money always wins out in the end.
Clean up & delete any offending material and all those platforms should be good to go. It may take a month or two but I'm sure everyone is scrambling to comply.My Affiliate Programs:
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"Oh NoZ!! Visa & Master Card won't process for illegal content!! We'Re DoOmEd!! lEfTy LiBrUlZ fAuLt!!!"
-same dorks crying about netflix not long agoComment
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This may be the threshold moment where crypto becomes a "mainstream" payment method.
Mindgeek is more fortunate than we were when the cc companies dealt their first major blow to adult internet. Back then, there was no alternative. Now, it's only a question of whether the customers are dedicated enough to move onto a crypto payment mechanism.
Once that shift happens (if it ever does) it will just be the cc companies that are hurt from their actions.
There will undoubtedly be some serious first and second-order consequences for everyone in the adult biz in the short and medium-term from this event. Everyone in our industry is involved in the revenue stream from the Mindgeek ecosystem in some direct or indirect way. But things may work out so that in the longer term, our industry is stronger and more resilient and much less dependant on the establishment financial industry that has been weaponized against us for decades (just think about how hard it is to get a bank account in the USA as a sex-worker or industry company and you'll realize how deeply weaponized it has become).
Anyway, maybe good long term, and may be a coming of age for crypto. (side-note, I bought more BTC when I heard the news).Red Light Center - Adult Metaverse
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You two act like "the left" started all that 2257 bullshit and convicted Tommy Chong for selling a bong.
Maybe Trump will pardon Chong :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...selling-bongs/Comment
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My buddy who is an attorney and also in the biz long time thinks this will resolve itself. he's saying this is a tactic by Visa to ensure companies change their policing of videos policy by forcing them to hire mass teams of video watchers , only use verified uploads stuff like that.
I hope so as my porn career is over if I lose my tube cashflow. I will sell everything.Comment
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The right uses due process. The left kicks & screams. But this is about videos depicting actual underage girls. There is no debate. That’s that. They dun goofed.You two act like "the left" started all that 2257 bullshit and convicted Tommy Chong for selling a bong.
Maybe Trump will pardon Chong :
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According to Gizmodo, the Mastercard ban strictly impacts Pornhub and not MindGeek's paysites.
https://gizmodo.com/mastercard-dumps-pornhub-1845853437
In an email, Mastercard told Gizmodo that the change will only apply to Pornhub and not other Mindgeek sites.
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I believe as others have said... this will blow over eventually, and MindGeek be processing V / MC again soon enough. The CC companies are prisoners to regulators too. So everyone has to make flamboyant, public demonstrations showing their outrage - and how much they care - and how much they're doing to save face with the various political fire breathers.
The bigger (longer-lasting) issue is that companies with the reach and resources of MindGeek won't sit idly hoping, praying they get their CC accounts turned back on. Love 'em or hate 'em, they'll find a way to continue.
Porn wins. It will always find a suitable vehicle. RIP Betamax.
I expect a variety of bold, industry-wide campaigns educating users about the relative ease, features, and privacy of crypto payments. Then all the countless cucks who are afraid to use a credit card... they can get in the game too.
In the end, porn wins.
RIP V/MC.Comment
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They can just move the model stuff and premium program etc to a separate website and apply for new merchant accountsComment
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This isnt the only attack on adult...
Here's a lawsuit that was filed in September that hasnt received any press by the same people who pushed Visa and MasterCard... they are will funded and arent attacking adult on just one front. They are hitting it from all sides...
https://endsexualexploitation.org/ar...f-of-survivor/
Here's the complaint --> https://endsexualexploitation.org/wp...-Complaint.pdf
And here's new legislation that is also being pushed by NCOSE...
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley...nography-sites
Add in Biden's determination to kill off 230 and there's a perfect storm brewing...
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...tion-230.shtmlComment
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We waz kangz is not to be taken seriously. He does zero business in this industry and is utterly clueless on 99% of the topics that dribble out from his dicksucker.. sadly self awareness isn't "these peoples" strong point.
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Something just isn't adding up here...
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Anywho, if visa/mastercard cracking down on illegal content on the platforms that devastated this industry is the "librul" end of the world for you... that's probably a sign you need to get your shit together, Melissa.Comment
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from 2016
https://www.paymentscardsandmobile.c...6-infographic/
20 trillion global yearly card volume
for the total adult industry you can find numbers like 10-15 billion/year - let's say 15 billion
that's 0,075% if my math isn't off...Comment
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True... But then talk about discretionary spending...
What you have includes my health insurance payments, utility bills, grocery bills, etc...
But then look at dining out vs porn (not including fast food).
Look at going to the movies vs porn.
Home mortgages are a massive business. But not up against the entire monthly spend.
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but all the other stuff would still be there if they got rid of the 0.075% porn.
and i am pretty sure the connected fraud is way higher than 0.075% of all fraud cases
what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customersComment
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Visa makes money on each purchase. Typically 2-3%
Visa's total revenue is 20 billion.
Total adult is estimated to be around 20 billion a year.
So if visa got all of that (they obviously don't) they'd make $400,000,000 off adult. A lot of money but a small percentage to their total revenue.Comment
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Twitter 12:32 PM · Dec 10, 2020
Twitter 12:33 PM · Dec 10, 2020Given the allegations of illegal activity, Visa is suspending Pornhub’s acceptance privileges pending the completion of our ongoing investigation. We are instructing the financial institutions who serve MindGeek to suspend processing of payments through the Visa network.
At Visa, we are vigilant in our efforts to stamp out illegal activity on our network, and we encourage our financial institution partners to regularly review their merchants’ compliance of our standards on this and other platforms.Support American Heroes | How Bad is My Batch? | Vaccine Deaths & Adverse Reactions | Free Speech Coalition | <WARNING> ePayService / Guerra Capital, INC / MTACC payments | Flirt4Free Fucks their Affiliates | Don't do business with piece of shit Andy Alvarez from Webmaster Central / VR3000, who said:
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