Please explain: How is "free porn" the problem?

[Matt 26z]

Here's the way I look at it...

Does it really matter if a TGP posts 25 new galleries a day, or if they post 250?

The bottom line is that you can only look at so much before you cum, or run out of time.

I've been online since January 1998, and there has always been enough free porn around to look at it 16 hours a day straight if you wanted to.

I just don't see how adding to the "already impossible to look at all of it" mountain of porn hurts the industry. This is nothing new. It's been around since at least 1998 when you guys supposedly had great numbers.

So besides free porn, what do YOU think is the prblem?

I personally think too many paysites screw over their members. All it takes is for this to happen 2 or 3 times in a row, and we've lost the customer for a very, very long time.

[KRL]

It's alway been and will always be a problem. The free offerings are in overkill mode right now. If you are smart and know how to surf 'n search you don't even need to join any site to get your rocks off. Free pics and movies are everywhere if you know where to look.

Also, processing is another problem. I think the CVV2 requirement and more precision requirements in filling out cc forms is effecting a lot of transactions not going through.

[ZoiNk]

Ok, you have been online since 1998, I have been online since around 1993. Back then free porn was impossible to find. I remember searching for hours to find 4-5 free images, all the rest of the stuff I found were paysites. So if I wanted anything else, I would have to give up a credit card or just give up. I simply gave up, being a young teenager.
ZoiNk

[Fuckin Bill]

My main question about this neverending arguement has always been that if free pron is such a big problem, why do the sponsors distribute so much of it?

I mean really, I think the thing I see the most complaints about is the giant TGP's, and most of the content on the TGP's come directly from the paysites who offer it out by the truckload to all their affiliates.

[Paul Markham]

Exactly Zoink, you were not going to pay and did not. Your equivelant today is no different and no problem.

A lot of todays webmasters are of a similar mind set and think the rest of the surfing world is like them.

With so many newbies coming in and trying all sorts of things to make a fast buck, those already here have to move up or move out.

The newbie cannot get good quality porn to post everywhere, unless he steals it. Neither can he put together a professional looking site with good porn and know where and how to get good traffic from.

So the experienced webmaster has a head start, assuming he has the skills. The hardest is to choose really good porn, something that will make a surfers dick so hard he will pay $25 a month to look at it. Then put it up in such a way that the surfer falls inlove with the girls and is so eager to see more of them he's tapping out his CC number before he has time to think. Then get the right type of traffic, not collect 100s of newbies with no ideas to drive anyone to the site.

A magazine editor has to go to college to learn graphic design, he then gets a job as an assistant picture editor, if he's good he then becomes a picture editor, then an assistant editor, then an editor. This can take 2 to 5 years

Some webmasters have not been in the business 2 to 5 months and expect to be able to do a good job.

Suffering from free porn? Offer them something better. Or learn to drive a bus.

Because the big porno companies are moving in and they do know how to pick porn and design a porn site. Drive traffic, well they have 10 years worth of content they own ALL rights on. They can give it out to the newbies to do that for them.

[rooster]

credit card company problems, overscrubbing and such

low consumer confidence

high speed connections

kazaa

tgps

everyone and their brother has a porn site

search engines not giving as good of free listings



These are all reasons why online porn is nothing like it was in 97. It is still possible to make big money, but its a much tougher task now.

[PR_Phil]

Originally posted by ZoiNk
Ok, you have been online since 1998, I have been online since around 1993. Back then free porn was impossible to find. I remember searching for hours to find 4-5 free images, all the rest of the stuff I found were paysites. So if I wanted anything else, I would have to give up a credit card or just give up. I simply gave up, being a young teenager.
ZoiNk

Fuck I remember sitting in front of my pentium 75 searching fro hours for free porn, then waiting for hours for the 3 pics of Alyssa Milano to load, HA those were the days

[ThePornGuy]

It has gotten much easier to find. Today you can type free porn into google and actually get free porn. I thought I would never see that.

[cherrylula]

If porn was booze, and I could get free drinks all day, I'd never ever spend money to get some.

[EscortBiz]

promote stuff like fetishes and stuff that are harder to find for free

[FATPad]

The "too much free porn" excuse is a mental crutch.

[dmv69]

Originally posted by cherrylula
If porn was booze, and I could get free drinks all day, I'd never ever spend money to get some.

I think one method to combat against kazaa is to have false names of movies and ppl. It makes it alot harder to look for and ppl would often pay up to see what htey want

Or better yet, if u want to be really proactive, make sure u give out other crappy porn movies with your title/ filename on it..

[Fuckin Bill]

Free porn may be more abundant now, but it certainly was not hard to find "back in the day" either. The first porn I ever saw on a web browser was from playboy.com and penthouse.com and it was free, and not hard to find at all. Both those sites were completely free when they first came online. They didn't have all the bells and whistles they have now, but they had pics right out of the magazines and all kinds of extras at no charge. There were not even options to pay for stuff if you wanted to. Unless you wanted the actual paper magazine sent yo to your house. The free porn was there long before the first pay porn site was ever conceived for the web. Even before the web you could get all kinds of porn on the old direct dial BBS systems. It's always been there, and it always will be.

[DannyW]

As well as the quantity of free porn the problem is also the quality. Take video clips - not long ago you would struggle to find more than a few 5 second blurry shots. Now everyone is putting 30 second high quality clips up, often longer.

Why should the surfer buy once he has found a site taking him straight to hundreds of quality, free, 30 second clips?

And of course just in case he might get to the bottom of the list, the TGP/MGP helpfully redirects him to a load of other TGP/MGPs so he can't possibly run out!

Where's this going to end? How about posting 10 DVDs to get REALLY REALLY good traffic, then hope someone might buy a membership for $30.

There is an answer to all this. Make one clip free. Charge the other clips on your gallery at 2 cents each. Automatically pay the traffic source at an agreed percentage of the money you make.

That way its in each webmaster's financial interest to control the amount of free porn he puts out.

[KRL]

Originally posted by charly
Exactly Zoink, you were not going to pay and did not. Your equivelant today is no different and no problem.

A lot of todays webmasters are of a similar mind set and think the rest of the surfing world is like them.

With so many newbies coming in and trying all sorts of things to make a fast buck, those already here have to move up or move out.

The newbie cannot get good quality porn to post everywhere, unless he steals it. Neither can he put together a professional looking site with good porn and know where and how to get good traffic from.

So the experienced webmaster has a head start, assuming he has the skills. The hardest is to choose really good porn, something that will make a surfers dick so hard he will pay $25 a month to look at it. Then put it up in such a way that the surfer falls inlove with the girls and is so eager to see more of them he's tapping out his CC number before he has time to think. Then get the right type of traffic, not collect 100s of newbies with no ideas to drive anyone to the site.

A magazine editor has to go to college to learn graphic design, he then gets a job as an assistant picture editor, if he's good he then becomes a picture editor, then an assistant editor, then an editor. This can take 2 to 5 years

Some webmasters have not been in the business 2 to 5 months and expect to be able to do a good job.

Suffering from free porn? Offer them something better. Or learn to drive a bus.

Because the big porno companies are moving in and they do know how to pick porn and design a porn site. Drive traffic, well they have 10 years worth of content they own ALL rights on. They can give it out to the newbies to do that for them.

I disagree on the design point. ARS's amateur designed BYOT tours often outperform their pro look tours. Its bizarre and you wouldn't think that would happen consistently, but it does.

Basic economics involves supply and demand. The supply of free porn is larger now than ever. I've been on the Net since it started and the amount of high quality pics and movies you can get without paying has increased dramatically in the past couple years.

The galleries we promote that have half the pics enlargeable and half you have to join to see outperform the completely free galleries. So that verifys that pretty well.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by Matt 26z
Here's the way I look at it...

Does it really matter if a TGP posts 25 new galleries a day, or if they post 250?

The bottom line is that you can only look at so much before you cum, or run out of time.

I've been online since January 1998, and there has always been enough free porn around to look at it 16 hours a day straight if you wanted to.

I just don't see how adding to the "already impossible to look at all of it" mountain of porn hurts the industry. This is nothing new. It's been around since at least 1998 when you guys supposedly had great numbers.

So besides free porn, what do YOU think is the prblem?

I personally think too many paysites screw over their members. All it takes is for this to happen 2 or 3 times in a row, and we've lost the customer for a very, very long time.

I think it's a combination of the 2. The customer is faced with this choice: 1. Whip up the Credit Card and risk being screwed or 2. Free Porn.

[quiet]

too much free porn!!

[Carrie]

Originally posted by charly
The newbie cannot get good quality porn to post everywhere, unless he steals it.

I can only assume the only free sponsor content areas you've looked at are MaxCash, ARS, or TrafficCashGold's vegas pics.

Go to sponsors like SilverCash, SoCalCash, BoobDollars, MafiaBucks... you'll find quality crystal clear photo sets for affiliates to use. Matrix, David Lace, Cloud9Content, exclusive stuff - it's all there.

Whether or not giving out pics of this quality for webmasters to use is a good thing or not - well, that's another story. But there are plenty of high-quality sponsor content sets out there for free.

[Lane]

kazaa is definitely the biggest problem, even though some people keep saying how they can make money out of it, they don't talk about how it hurts the rest of the industry

[Lane]

...another reason for the dropping ratios:

people are becoming more and more web savvy.. even though a person intends to buy a membership, he goes through a lot more pages and quicker, than an average surfer would do a few years ago, thus dropping the ratio of signups per page visits.