iBill sales drop off??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Scoobs · 05-09-2003, 06:38 PM

Has anyone else noticed a sales drop since they required CVV2 for all transactions?

Our sales seem to be down quite significantly.

And I am not writing this so that people can reply with "Why the fuck are you still with ibill" etc etc... I know there are big players here that use ibill.

Thanks!

Gimmy · 05-09-2003, 06:45 PM

nope nothing has changed

Shoplifter · 05-09-2003, 07:07 PM

I've been waiting for someone else to mention this, I posted on it yesterday and got no legible replies.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=132300

I'm down about 50% on my daily signup average since Wednesday. It's a very noticeable decrease as this has been one of my best periods ever.

tony286 · 05-09-2003, 07:17 PM

Us too and more declined rebills then before.

bikinihouse · 05-09-2003, 07:43 PM

Same here.

I gotta setup a backup processor with my Ibill account.. I have no clue how. lol

quiet · 05-09-2003, 11:57 PM

yes. sales took a bit of dive... has anyone asked them about it?

B2B · 05-10-2003, 12:01 AM

Ibill isnt offering the same features epoch has, for example.. epoch allows you to give option to your members to join more than 1 site, in other words epoch listens to webmasters and tries to maximize the revenue for everyone, while on the ther side, ibill is just trying to stay away from lawsuits and implementing every single law that there is without using clever techniques to make sure it has less impact on the business.

They have been dissapointing me lately, we're considering to switch to epoch oneday.

4Pics · 05-10-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by B2B
Ibill isnt offering the same features epoch has, for example.. epoch allows you to give option to your members to join more than 1 site, in other words epoch listens to webmasters and tries to maximize the revenue for everyone, while on the ther side, ibill is just trying to stay away from lawsuits and implementing every single law that there is without using clever techniques to make sure it has less impact on the business.

They have been dissapointing me lately, we're considering to switch to epoch oneday.

Be smart and switch to CCBill instead of Epoch, you won't end up regreting it later.

chupacabra · 05-10-2003, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Be smart and switch to CCBill instead of Epoch, you won't end up regreting it later.

indeed... ccBill is tops. oh, and thx for the new shirt corvett..!

Shoplifter · 05-10-2003, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
yes. sales took a bit of dive... has anyone asked them about it?

Well I'm going to email my rep and will probably get a canned response.

Who knows, some important client with a big account might call them and find out what is going on.

cash69 · 05-10-2003, 12:42 AM

i alwayse hear ccbill this ... ibill that .. wsb this... i've never had 1 problem with epoch

quiet · 05-10-2003, 12:46 AM

i'll try to give them a call on monday

EscortBiz · 05-10-2003, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by chupacabra

indeed... ccBill is tops. oh, and thx for the new shirt corvett..!

what shirt

chupacabra · 05-10-2003, 01:00 AM

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what shirt

why, the new grey 2-button ccBill t-shirt of course... btw, everyone here does know that ccBill actually stands for "C"hupa-"C"abra-Bill i hope..

Kohun · 05-10-2003, 02:50 AM

CVV2, Verified by Visa, etc allow a better and more accurate approach in confirming the cardholder and thus, make it increasingly difficult to 'chargeback' those transactions.

BUT I agree with you that any sales drop since Billing required CVV2.

Do you know any processing that not using verification of CVV2 ?

Mark

mrudolf · 05-10-2003, 04:05 AM

we have same sales as before CVV2

grampatex · 05-10-2003, 04:53 AM

No noticeable changes in signups. BTW...CVV2 isn't used on rebills so it will have not affect on rebills.

Gunni · 05-10-2003, 05:04 AM

It´s just because like 60% of banks are NOT CVV2 compliant!
Even though they might say so. Visa should do something about that, like threaten to cancel their capability to issue Visa cards!

Tipsy · 05-10-2003, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by Gunni
It´s just because like 60% of banks are NOT CVV2 compliant!
Even though they might say so. Visa should do something about that, like threaten to cancel their capability to issue Visa cards!

That's exactly it. I have 2 debit cards linked to one account. The first (and one issued to EVERY account holder at this bank) is an electron card with no CVV2 on it. I can use it online with no problem (although oddly not in the UK) but obviously not if they require CVV2. The other is a Delta card which has a CVV2. Both cards are VISA and issued by the same bank. There's a shit load of people use this bank who will only have the non-CVV2 card.

stocktrader23 · 05-10-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

That's exactly it. I have 2 debit cards linked to one account. The first (and one issued to EVERY account holder at this bank) is an electron card with no CVV2 on it. I can use it online with no problem (although oddly not in the UK) but obviously not if they require CVV2. The other is a Delta card which has a CVV2. Both cards are VISA and issued by the same bank. There's a shit load of people use this bank who will only have the non-CVV2 card.

No that's impossible. Didn't you see everyone say it would have no effect on signups. You are just wrong.

Gunni · 05-10-2003, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

That's exactly it. I have 2 debit cards linked to one account. The first (and one issued to EVERY account holder at this bank) is an electron card with no CVV2 on it. I can use it online with no problem (although oddly not in the UK) but obviously not if they require CVV2. The other is a Delta card which has a CVV2. Both cards are VISA and issued by the same bank. There's a shit load of people use this bank who will only have the non-CVV2 card.

That´s not all!
Even cards that DO have a CVV2 number don´t always work, because of that the bank system isn´t up to date with how it works!

Just look at all those people that have had problems with signing up for epassport! They require a CVV2, and the people that have tried to signup, with problems, say they put the CVV2 number, but still got denied. It´s just because epassport has a very strict system reguarding CVV2, and most banks just don´t meet the requierments made by Visa

KRL · 05-10-2003, 09:24 AM

The more information you ask of a potential customer the greater the likelihood he'll make a mistake, the system won't take, or he'll see it as too intrusive.

Period end of story. Sales will always be affected from the process of transacting the sale itself.

Shoplifter · 05-10-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
The more information you ask of a potential customer the greater the likelihood he'll make a mistake, the system won't take, or he'll see it as too intrusive.

Period end of story. Sales will always be affected from the process of transacting the sale itself.

I completely agree, although in my case I find it doubtful that this would amount to 50% or so of transactions. So who can say what else may be happening here.

As a general rule whenever I see sales go up on my secondary (which has always required CVV2) it indicates a problem at Ibill.

wiseoldone · 05-10-2003, 01:40 PM

Are you seeing declines on Visa or Mastercard or both?

JayJay · 05-10-2003, 01:41 PM

Why the fuck are you still with ibill?

Master_Yoba · 05-10-2003, 03:06 PM

We use IBill as a backup processor and I see dramatically decreasing of new signups here. However rebills are going well.
So we have 5 rebills for 1 new signup in this month... I think we need to change our backup solution

Master_Yoba · 05-10-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kohun
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Do you know any processing that not using verification of CVV2 ?

Mark

bump

Gary · 05-10-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by cash69
i alwayse hear ccbill this ... ibill that .. wsb this... i've never had 1 problem with epoch

you should have been around a few years ago. LOL

Shoplifter · 05-10-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kohun
CVV2, Verified by Visa, etc allow a better and more accurate approach in confirming the cardholder and thus, make it increasingly difficult to 'chargeback' those transactions.

BUT I agree with you that any sales drop since Billing required CVV2.

Do you know any processing that not using verification of CVV2 ?

Believe me if they want to charge back they will. It will in no way become more difficult for a surfer to do it. Really this is all about Visa compliance, adding the three extra digits from the back of the card will not beat fraud artists. How it proves that the card is in hand is beyond me.

Verotel still has no CVV2 field. I think a few processors have the fields on their join pages but they are not actually being used.

SU's seem to be a bit better with Ibill today, hopefully they are just getting the bugs out of the system.

inthestars · 05-10-2003, 06:40 PM

If you need a back up processor, try Verotel, they are great and offer multiple billing options. See my signature.

gruffy · 05-10-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
what shirt

I WANT SHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cindyff · 05-10-2003, 06:57 PM

I dont want you guy to shout at me but the sign ups that we put through our main Sponsor using Ibill are up this last week by about 30%. Now most of you know i hate Ibill and would never use them on our own sites. But shit if they are making us more money via a sponsor then i am all for it !
Cindy xx

Shoplifter · 05-11-2003, 07:40 PM

Comparing an average of Thursday - Sunday of this week since the changes with the same 4 day period from the past 5 weeks I am down about 24% on sign ups.

Is this what others are seeing?

Ibill what is going on?

NetRodent · 05-11-2003, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by B2B
Ibill isnt offering the same features epoch has, for example.. epoch allows you to give option to your members to join more than 1 site

IBill does cross sells. We've been cross-selling with iBill since december.

Our new sales appear to be slightly up since the cvv2 checking supposedly went into effect. I haven't checked the rebill figures yet.

smut4all · 05-11-2003, 07:56 PM

Ibill sales are up about 15% since the new ccv

05-09-2003, 06:38 PM	#1
Scoobs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Out back Posts: 492	iBill sales drop off??? Has anyone else noticed a sales drop since they required CVV2 for all transactions? Our sales seem to be down quite significantly. And I am not writing this so that people can reply with "Why the fuck are you still with ibill" etc etc... I know there are big players here that use ibill. Thanks!

05-10-2003, 12:01 AM	#7
B2B Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: CA, USA Posts: 25	Ibill isnt offering the same features epoch has, for example.. epoch allows you to give option to your members to join more than 1 site, in other words epoch listens to webmasters and tries to maximize the revenue for everyone, while on the ther side, ibill is just trying to stay away from lawsuits and implementing every single law that there is without using clever techniques to make sure it has less impact on the business. They have been dissapointing me lately, we're considering to switch to epoch oneday. __________________ <a href="http://www.awbe.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.awbe.com/images/awbestyle.gif" width="174" height="30" border="0"></a> Last edited by B2B; 05-10-2003 at 12:07 AM..

05-10-2003, 02:50 AM	#15
Kohun Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 274	CVV2, Verified by Visa, etc allow a better and more accurate approach in confirming the cardholder and thus, make it increasingly difficult to 'chargeback' those transactions. BUT I agree with you that any sales drop since Billing required CVV2. Do you know any processing that not using verification of CVV2 ? Mark __________________ Click here to make money www.PEAKMONEY.com ICQ # 172316026

05-10-2003, 04:53 AM	#17
grampatex Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 21	No noticeable changes in signups. BTW...CVV2 isn't used on rebills so it will have not affect on rebills. __________________ grampatex

05-10-2003, 09:24 AM	#22
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	The more information you ask of a potential customer the greater the likelihood he'll make a mistake, the system won't take, or he'll see it as too intrusive. Period end of story. Sales will always be affected from the process of transacting the sale itself. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-09-2003, 06:45 PM	#2
Gimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: My ass Posts: 1,069	nope nothing has changed

05-09-2003, 07:07 PM	#3
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,827	I've been waiting for someone else to mention this, I posted on it yesterday and got no legible replies. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=132300 I'm down about 50% on my daily signup average since Wednesday. It's a very noticeable decrease as this has been one of my best periods ever.

05-09-2003, 07:17 PM	#4
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Us too and more declined rebills then before.

05-09-2003, 07:43 PM	#5
bikinihouse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 843	Same here. I gotta setup a backup processor with my Ibill account.. I have no clue how. lol

05-09-2003, 11:57 PM	#6
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	yes. sales took a bit of dive... has anyone asked them about it?

05-10-2003, 12:42 AM	#11
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	i alwayse hear ccbill this ... ibill that .. wsb this... i've never had 1 problem with epoch

05-10-2003, 12:46 AM	#12
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i'll try to give them a call on monday

05-10-2003, 04:05 AM	#16
mrudolf Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 108	we have same sales as before CVV2

05-10-2003, 05:04 AM	#18
Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	It´s just because like 60% of banks are NOT CVV2 compliant! Even though they might say so. Visa should do something about that, like threaten to cancel their capability to issue Visa cards!

05-10-2003, 01:40 PM	#24
wiseoldone Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 37	Are you seeing declines on Visa or Mastercard or both?

05-10-2003, 01:41 PM	#25
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	Why the fuck are you still with ibill?

05-10-2003, 03:06 PM	#26
Master_Yoba Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dagobah Posts: 1,273	We use IBill as a backup processor and I see dramatically decreasing of new signups here. However rebills are going well. So we have 5 rebills for 1 new signup in this month... I think we need to change our backup solution __________________ WATCH MORE PORN

05-10-2003, 06:40 PM	#30
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	If you need a back up processor, try Verotel, they are great and offer multiple billing options. See my signature.

05-10-2003, 06:57 PM	#32
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	I dont want you guy to shout at me but the sign ups that we put through our main Sponsor using Ibill are up this last week by about 30%. Now most of you know i hate Ibill and would never use them on our own sites. But shit if they are making us more money via a sponsor then i am all for it ! Cindy xx

05-11-2003, 07:40 PM	#33
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,827	Comparing an average of Thursday - Sunday of this week since the changes with the same 4 day period from the past 5 weeks I am down about 24% on sign ups. Is this what others are seeing? Ibill what is going on?

05-11-2003, 07:56 PM	#35
smut4all Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 583	Ibill sales are up about 15% since the new ccv __________________ Party Poker $25 Free with your first deposit