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I just got this from one of my webmasters. Interesting read. Just like visiting the lawyer but without the bill :-)


Sobe,
All this docs shit has made me really paranoid... so what did I
do,
I called my lawyer, and got his opinion. You are right, Sobe-girl.com is the primary producer of the material, and you are required to keep the 2257 info on file.

To be compliant a website has to list the Name of the person that has custodial responsibility. He advised it can NOT be a company name, but must name an individual.

So all I need is the complete 2257 statement for the website and
everything is cool.

Thanks,

"NAME WITH HELD"

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lil2rich4u2

I know 434 people on this board that would give you free legal advice, how come you didnt listen to them?

If its still bothering you that much, see a lawyer man!

Quit taking other peoples word for it. Not saying your wrong, just saying might as well make it official

Mutt

only 7 more needed in this thread for a minyan.

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What? I have a lawyer, he is bald and big and looks like a human great white shark. But nobody wanted to listen to me. Oh well, so I get this from another webmaster supporting what I have been saying all along. That is all. By the way, how is the new cat?

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OK, Sobe. You can let it go....let your latest spam go. It was only a couple today, you have two spam's left. I know you are itching...just itching to get it out. May I help?

"Oh, in celebration of me saving $500 on an attorney, I am now marking down all my video to $2 per set, only until midnight! That includes all hungarian girls! Only until midnight!"

There, I started you out.......

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Thanks POOP but believe it or not I am all spammed out. And besides and I want to get sentimental here.

GFY is the most kick ass cool board in the world. Not only does it have crazy amounts of traffic they actually LET you spam once in a while.

That is sooo cool. I mean for newbies starting out, trying to get seen, what could be better. I really do take my hat off to the entrie crew at GFY not only for running a great board but for being just well, great people.

My apologies to Lensman, I did not mean to take advantage of your generosity, I assure you it will never happen again...

I am here because I want to chat. I do not want to sell anything.


I just want to talk Hebrew with my Jewish buddies...


Shalom Hevra. Lang Lebein, Diea zphalot

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Paul Markham

I did pay a lawyer for his opinion and here is what he said, plus he put's his name to it.

The Law #1

Thr Law #2

The lawyers opinion

Well I guess that flies in the face of your "friends" lawyers opinion. Did you get it in writing? You want to contest it? Go to a lawyer, pay him for his opinion then post it on your site with his letter head.

*ADVICE*
You are now in the porno business, we are targetted all the time by the right, moralist and religion freaks. We are presumed guilty and have to prove our innocense. Some of the content providers in this industry are less than honest. Some are not the most organised in the world.

DO NOT PUT YOUR BUSINESS AND YOUR LIBERTY INTO THE HANDS OF OTHERS.

Here AGAIN is why you need the documentation. Nothing related to 2257

It proves to you and anyone else who asks the the age of the model.
It shows they signed away their rights to have their images resold.
It shows that they signed away the rights for their images to be put on the Internet.
It shows the signature on the model release matches the one on the passport.
It shows the seller has these documents and probably the rights to resell.

It seems very strange to me that Sobe is so anti documents. his business must be suffering because of the prices he is giving the stuff away at, yet he does everything he can to not give away documents with the content.

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When **they** come knocking on my door, it's not gonna matter who fucking produced the content....... They are gonna want to see model releases and ID for all of the girlz (boyz?).

If you don't have it, trust me, they'll throw you in fucking jail until they get it. They aren't going to give a rats ass about what's right or what's wrong, or what the law is - You are a pornographer, and they are coming after you to take you down. Period.

Nothing goes up on my websites unless I have complete 2257 info. It's just not worth the risk.

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xxxdesign-net

Hey RocHard.. and what do you do if the IDs and Model Releases your are showing the cops are fake?
Go to Jail?

So... whats the solution... doing some detective work (with their ss# and drivers license #) on every models you have on your sites... ?

AaronM

If you list this bullshit one more time then I am likely to fly to Czech and beat some sense into you.

You forgot to mention that it shows how good your content provider may be at altering the docs with photoshop.

AaronM

Really? I could swear that I sold Lightspeed Media a few sets 12-18 months ago....I do not recall sending 2257 docs with that....In fact, I know I did not since they were never requested.

Normally I would have kept my mouth shut about this and not called you out on it but I am sick of you posting bullshit about this law and how it affects webmasters.

Kindly refrain from posting about something that you clearly don't know jack shit about.

AaronM

The solution is to not listen to RocHard in the first place. If/When somebody shows up you simply hand them your license agreement which should show who the custodian of records is. Case closed.

If they are going to take you to jail, it will not be for this.

Paul Markham

So if the IDs are fake you go to jail any way.

At least by seeing them you are the one who makes the decision they are good or bad.

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Paul Markham

So we have to listen to a photographer legal opinion and ignore a lawyers. Wise move dude.

Again if the documents are forged you can still be for the high jump.

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AaronM

WTF are you talking about? My opinion is always to ask a competent attorney.....It is even better if you can understand what he is saying so that you do not post his replies out of context as you have been known to do in the past.

If the docs are forged by the model or the content provider it does NOT put the webmaster at risk UNLESS the webmaster was stupid enough to list themselves as the custodian of records.

Just one more reason to allow the content provider to do their job...Oh yeah...Also another good reason to only buy from providers that are subject to the same laws you are.

Paul Markham

We have photographers on this thread giving opinions.

One with 25+ years says be careful get the documents.

One with less experience says do not get them, they might be forged.

And one has given you what his freind says a lawyer told him. Was his friend paying for this advice, why was his friend discussing with a lawyer porn law and where is the written legal opinion?

And we have a paid for lawyer giving his written opinion on how you should run your business.

Here is another lawyer, well practised in Internet and publishing laws to ask. Lawrence G Walters

Sobe and Aaron, talk to me about porno, photgraphy and video and I will listen. Talk to me about the law and I will not. Neither of you, like me are, qualified in law. That is why I paid for a lawyer.

Until you post your LAWYERS opinion that tells me other wise, I will continue to supply all my clients with documentation.

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mmh, good luck with that!

Pretty much impossible to know if done right!

As for going to jail if the "producer of the content" is not available immediately... im sure the cops wont trhow me in jail... I dont know about the US, but Im pretty sure that in Canada... The content producer will be responsible for the false claims.... Since the law doesnt require you to do detective work on anything you buy... (as exemple, if you didnt know it was stolen and the price weren't super low...you cannot be responsible)

Paul Markham

So show us what this competent lawyer wrote, on letter headed paper please.

If the girl is under age the fact the records are forged does not protect you.

If the girl did not sign a model release and her attorney is suing you again it will make little difference.

You can still list the content supplier as the Custodian of Records.

If LFP deal with photograhers not in the US what is the problem? It seems our policy is tighter than some others.

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AaronM

All I do is post my attorneys opinions as well as the opinions of other qualified attorneys.

You could have been shooting content for 100 years, it still does not make you right about US laws, especially since you not only do not understand them but are not subject to them.

I tried to talk to you about porno and photography when you first hit this board...you did not listen then and you are not about to listen now.

I have listened to Walters speak on panels and his words about the law are the very same that the other attorneys I have consulted with are.

The bottom line is that you feel you have to post this bullshit to sell your content. You don't. For the last fucking time...I hope....There is nothing wrong with providing copies of ID's to your clients but INO, you are doing them an injustice by suggesting that they are safer because of it.

AaronM

Christ...I fucking give up. You are too fucking stubborn to even attempt to see the light.

As for showing you the words on a letterhead....I will be sure and get a transcript of all future conversation that take place between myself and attorneys.

I am going to bed now. Have fun posting more of your BS.

Paul Markham

POST AN OPINION FROM A LAWYER ON LETTERHEADED PAPER.

See what a lawyer advises.

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AaronM

What would I gain by doing that? Allow me to quote from the one you have posted:

The law:

"b) A producer who is a secondary producer ? may satisfy the requirements of this Part to create and maintain records by accepting from the primary producer ? copies of the records ?. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the records."

The remarks from your attorney:

"Thus the regulations not only require that secondary producers have a set of records, but also that the records be traceable back to the primary producer."

Now...Let's break this down... "A producer who is a secondary producer...MAY satisfy the requirements..."

Notice the keyword MAY? Lets check the english definition of this word shall we?

"May aux.v. Past tense might (mt)
1: To be allowed or permitted to: May I take a swim? Yes, you may."

Does this mean that they are required to take a swim? No....Yet your attorney states: "Thus the regulations not only require that secondary producers have a set of records"

Your very own attorney condradict the law after quoting it in black and white. If I were you, I would show that attorney the case of Sundance vs. Reno, fire them, and then retain legal council who actually understands the law and can effectivly read the english language.

Paul, It's not your fault that this attorney can not interpret the laws as they are written...I am pretty sure that if I were to pick an attorney from the yellowpages that they would also not have the best understanding of these laws.

Paul Markham

So the lawyer is adving you to have the documents or not have them.

I am not debating the law I am saying what is wise. It is wise to look after your best interest and not rely on someone you have never met.

In the end it is down to the buyer, with us he has a choice. He can be his own Custodian of Records, or he can use us. He can check to see if the documents are correct or he can throw them in the bin.

Some other people do not give that choice, in fact they seem to go to incredible lengths to avoid giving that choice.

So all those that do not require 2257 documentation, you still can buy from us. When you recieve your content, high light the document file and hit the delete button.

Sorry to put you to all this trouble, but a lot of our clients like to see that we are doings things right rather than rely on our word.

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It never hurts too err on the side of caution.

Having the docs cannot hurt you in any way.

Not having them may or may not hurt you.

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Yes FatPad, especially when the company you work for goes out of its way to produce magazines that depict very young girls who have only just reached legal age to look like they are 15. Pig tails, school girls skirts and stockings. You know what I mean. Please don't come in here spreading your paranoia about docs and the Feds and the police based on your experiences. Not everyone promotes such material as you do over there at Score.

Groove

And SoBeGirl's videos don't include any young girls in pigtails, school uniforms, clutching teddy-bears, etc? Right?

FATPad

I own Score?

WOOHOOOO!

It might help if for once you knew what the fuck you were talking about.

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Groove

So why did you spam the Cloud9 thread?

I thought you'd given-up your spammy ways?

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Pig tails, no I don't think so and if they do it was not done intentionally to make them look younger. (just done to keep the hair out of the face while they sucked dick)



But look this is the point. I may have some things in my content sets which people might think makes the girl look questionable as far as age is concerned. It is a matter of opinion.



If one does find such a content set ask me for the documentation and I will give it to the webmaster. I do not have any problem with that.


My point is if you don't want to get in trouble don't serve content that pushes the limits. For example, max hardcore is in trouble all the time. He spends half his life in court because of this...


And also there has been an interesting comment about "what if you get docs from a producer and they are forged".

It has been widely accepted that if you do get the docs for a model, the personal information and the ID numbers such as social security number or drivers license number are to be blanked out.


If that is the case then if you ever need to, how can you verify that the docs are real and have not been altered. The only way you can check an photo id such as a drivers license is to look up the drivers license number. So without that the ID that you have is worthless. So why ask for them in the first place just so you have some false sense of security.


It does not make sense to me.

freeme

you know

Lawyers opinions are like lawyers assholes

They ALL have 1 and to hear it speak it will cost you

FATPad

And regardless of why you keep making strange comments about the material I produce at Score (considering I don't work for Score), it would not hurt to have the docs. My original post still stands.

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LadyMischief

Charly once again forgets the thread where the VERY SAME LAWYER he's been quoting (and he used the SAME EXACT WORDS too) came into thre thread and told him that only primary producers are legally required to keep records. He backpeddled, too. Check it out.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagen umber=1


Not only that, but Lawrence Walters had a chat giving imformation about 2257 law and how it applies to you (a question and answer thing). How many of you went and got informed?

Nuff said.

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LadyMischief

Yes, in Canada we are fully liable to the full extent of that law for presenting false documentation. That carries almost as long of a jail sentance as shooting a minor. THe laws in Canada are EXTREMELY sticky about somet things, and this is one of them.

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scoreman

Here we are with the daily Sobe Spam.

Taking pop shots at us eh? FATpad is a friend to SCORE not an employee, you should leave him out of any attempt to slander SCORE. Don't you have any other boards you can be spamming right now? Or maybe some more out of focus, poorly lit, muffled sound $5 content you should be shooting?

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Sobe, I wasted hours watching every single one of your sample vidz (that's a large part of the reason why I was so pissed off when you reneged on our deal) and I believe that you have videos of young with girls with pigtails, school uniforms and clutching teddie bears. But maybe my memory deceives me? Would you like me to try and find them and post the URLs? I seem to remember there being several videos with blatant attempts to tittilate the teens fans.

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Hi LadyM.. How are you sweeite :-)


Scoreman, we know each other and you know for a fact that SoBeGirl is legit. As a matter of fact you are just about the only sale that I ever made where I did give all the doc in whole. And I only did this because you took the time to show me your operation which I might add is very impressive. Your record keeping dept where the docs are stored is very impressive. That is why I felt ok with giving you that info. So if you would please rein in your little PitBul FAtlard from taking shots at me I would appreciate it.

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It must have been some good shit if you wasted HOURS watching that shit.....

Did you bring a towel?

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FATPad

That's a shot at you? That's some sort of attack or insult or insinuation that you're not legit? HAHA

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