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Greg N · 05-06-2003, 05:20 PM

A new payment option for ARS webmasters is now available.....ePassporte. You asked for it and now we have it Details are available in the Account Admin Center.

Rand · 05-06-2003, 05:27 PM

Good stuff! This is great news.

Congrat's to ARS!

Kimmykim · 05-07-2003, 12:24 AM

Nice to see such a forward thinking company taking care of their webmasters yet again.

And yes,
ARS is always the one doing it.

detoxed · 05-07-2003, 12:26 AM

awesome, I love ePassporte

Kimmykim · 05-07-2003, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
awesome, I love ePassporte

glad to hear it, anything I can do to make it work more smoothly for you, just let me know -- [email protected]

4Pics · 05-07-2003, 12:49 AM

This is not great news...

abdab_1 · 05-07-2003, 02:36 AM

Hi there is it possible to get some contact details for Epassport.
We would like to see if we can work together. We were in Amsterdam for the AOE Event and many of webmasters there recomended we hook up with them.

Paul Markham · 05-07-2003, 02:43 AM

I'm putting Epassporte on our site, just need to get the contract to them and get it set up.

They lok a very good company.

MichaelAncher · 05-07-2003, 04:24 AM

Me too...just got the contract info..

Mr.Soze · 05-07-2003, 07:02 AM

I already have two epassporte accounts, do I need to make a new one for ARS?

After what I could see it looked like I had to?

Paparazzi · 05-07-2003, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Soze
I already have two epassporte accounts, do I need to make a new one for ARS?

After what I could see it looked like I had to?

just enter one of your current accounts

Loch · 05-07-2003, 07:49 AM

Yep they indeed look good.
Just faxed the papers

Mr.Soze · 05-07-2003, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paparazzi
just enter one of your current accounts

I just saw it said "signup for an epassporte account",
I never tried going further then that.
But I did now, so it's all good.
Thanks

05-07-2003, 08:58 AM

Yeah .. and that VISA ELECTRON for ATMs .. i guess i'll be soon using epassporte

Kimmykim · 05-07-2003, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
I'm putting Epassporte on our site, just need to get the contract to them and get it set up.

They lok a very good company.

did you get my email charly?

tony286 · 05-09-2003, 08:23 PM

Since Epassporte is a offshore company, dont webmasters have to worry about losing their US Visa processing like with the other foreign processors? I mean if I added say globil as my secondary I could lose my US Visa account with my primary. How is epassporte diffferent? And Do you guarantee what you say on that question in writing?

nevermind · 05-11-2003, 04:26 PM

This may be a dumb question, but I've read several epassporte threads and couldn't easily find an answer ...

If I wanted to set up a small site to test some DRM pay-per-view videos with epassporte ...

Would the $750 Visa fee (and any other credit card fees) apply if I was only using epassporte?

Kimmykim · 05-11-2003, 04:39 PM

No, it would not apply -- I don't know for sure who you are working with on DRM, but we should be able to integrate with them fairly easily, depending on who it is.

http://empiredrm.com I believe is the url of one company that we should be able to integrate quickly, if you're dealing with someone else, have them drop me an email -- [email protected] so I can discuss with them how we can make it work

))

Sly_RJ · 05-11-2003, 04:44 PM

Looks like some top notch content providers are hooking up with ePassporte, very nice.

Jaceem · 05-11-2003, 07:46 PM

Why the fuck are all you fools using epassporte? It doesn't take an economics major to see that it is not a sound system. Look at these fees https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/Fees.jsp

Remember ladies, a fool and his money are soon parted.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jace
Why the fuck are all you fools using epassporte? It doesn't take an economics major to see that it is not a sound system. Look at these fees https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/Fees.jsp

Remember ladies, a fool and his money are soon parted.

First, I'm not using it. I'm still checking it out.

Second, the fee schedule you posted makes it look like they're cheaper than PayPal, except perhaps for the $5 load fee.

How, exactly, does this demonstrate that it's not a sound system?

Paul Markham · 05-12-2003, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jace
Why the fuck are all you fools using epassporte? It doesn't take an economics major to see that it is not a sound system. Look at these fees https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/Fees.jsp

Remember ladies, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Do you want to tell us exactly why they are not a sound system?

And Einstien who do you recommend?

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 06:26 AM

That makes me crazy when they present something like its only .25 per transaction. Oh you want to take your money out its $5 per $100, want to put money in its $5 per 100. Want a way to take it out its $35 and then if you use a atm its another $2. First off I dont think customers are going to embrace something that costs them money to add money to their account. The sad truth is there is no replacement for Paypal it was a good thing while it lasted, it was mainstream a US company, that customers knew and trusted.

Jakke PNG · 05-12-2003, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
The sad truth is there is no replacement for Paypal it was a good thing while it lasted, it was mainstream a US company, that customers knew and trusted.

Bullshit. I have never trusted paypal for a second. I use it because all of you use. Kinda hard to accept payment if I don't present different possibilities. I'd wish everyone moved away from paypal to epassporte, now.
I haven't really checked the USD -> EURO ratios of epassporte but paypal's SUCK ASS big time.

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 06:30 AM

How is it cheaper its not? I never had a problem with paypal. You have to think like the customer paypal didnt cost anything to put money into, epassprte does. If a customer wants to join my site or buy a dvd and he puts $30 in it costs him $5 for him to do that .The cost is almost 15%, you have to think like the customer thats the person I care about if this is used or not.

Jakke PNG · 05-12-2003, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
How is it cheaper its not?

I removed that part before you replied. lol. But sofar I've had more money when I've taken the same amount of money from epassporte to my hand, than with paypal to my account.

Jakke PNG · 05-12-2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
You have to think like the customer paypal didnt cost anything to put money into, epassprte does.

Paypal takes a few %'s off each transaction.

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 06:35 AM

It only costs you money when you make a transaction. Epassporte costs more.

Jakke PNG · 05-12-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
It only costs you money when you make a transaction. Epassporte costs more.

Whatever you say chief. But I'm getting more money from epassporte, it's a week faster, and I can get ahold of support if I need. But if you hate them, don't use 'em.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
First off I dont think customers are going to embrace something that costs them money to add money to their account.

I have to agree that's a good point. I'd rather absorb the fees as a merchant and pass along the costs to the customer through the product. That does appear to be a tough sell the way epassporte is setup now.

Although I never trusted PayPal and never used them as a merchant. And that turned out to be a good thing since so many people were screwed by them. Customers may have trusted them, but they never had their act together on the merchant/adult side.

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 07:06 AM

I think maybe one of the reasons I never had a problem with Paypal. The minute the account had $150 in it we transfered it to our bank.Having thousands sitting there was crazy, they were not a bank lol.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
I think maybe one of the reasons I never had a problem with Paypal. The minute the account had $150 in it we transfered it to our bank.Having thousands sitting there was crazy, they were not a bank lol.

Not to mention people who paid the adult Visa fee, only to be screwed a couple of months later.

Epassporte may work well for savy webmasters and affiliates who need to transfer money, but I've got doubts about it working on the consumer side.

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 07:30 AM

I agree with you, I am probably going to add a second processor to take up the slack and I am calling paydirect today I will report back to the board what they said

Chris Mallick · 05-12-2003, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
That makes me crazy when they present something like its only .25 per transaction. Oh you want to take your money out its $5 per $100, want to put money in its $5 per 100. Want a way to take it out its $35 and then if you use a atm its another $2. First off I dont think customers are going to embrace something that costs them money to add money to their account. The sad truth is there is no replacement for Paypal it was a good thing while it lasted, it was mainstream a US company, that customers knew and trusted.

Tony404...

I HATE to disagree with you, but your facts are wrong.

It costs to load, with a credit card, $5 per $100. Most webmasters are opening Commercial Accounts. They can load with a wire, so there is no fee.

There is no fee to withdraw, except the fee that the ATM charges and a $2 fee from our co branding bank, and that is not at all ATM's. On top of which we can allow you to get as much cash as the ATM allows you to take. In Europe, for example, we have people taking out thousands of dollars in a single transaction. The webmaster who paid those cardholders paid a fee for the B2B transfer ($2) that is cheaper than sending a check and about a tenth of the cost of a wire, plus the webmaster did not get jacked by some check cashing service and did not have to wait weeks for the snail mail. The $35 is a fee to get an "optional" card for ATM and point of sale use.

ePassporte is fast, easy, safe, inexpensive and available to the Adult webmaster community. I think ARS, FlashCash, Gamma, Hooper, etc... are some pretty smart people running pretty large programs and they evaluated the cost / benefit ratios and chose ePassporte. I think you will see some other BIG name programs joining soon.

As for "accepting" the card outside Visa USA, it is not a Visa transaction when a P2P or B2B happens. It happens on the ePassporte network, a closed loop system. When an ePassporte cardholder uses his / her ePassporte Virtual Visa, they are a cardholder using a Visa, so no XBorder issues there. If a merchant accepts that card's BIN, no issue there.

As for a PayPal replacement, no, that is not what ePassporte is; It is an an alternative. it is not for everyone. But many webamsters wnat and need what ePassporte is offering.

I hope I answered your questions. I need your email to send you an ePassporte Agreement now that you understand and want it more than air.

Chris Mallick · 05-12-2003, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nevermind

Not to mention people who paid the adult Visa fee, only to be screwed a couple of months later.

Epassporte may work well for savy webmasters and affiliates who need to transfer money, but I've got doubts about it working on the consumer side.

Don't doubt it. It is a VISA. Thousands of ePassporte cardholders are buying online and at shoppes, everywhere. Plus there is the ATM function. Remember, you don't need an Electron to buy online. the ePassporte Virtual Visa is issued in real time, online and may be used anywhere Visa is accepted.

Again, it is not for everyone. Nothing is. We tried to come up with a dynamic product that the Adult Webmaster community wanted, and they have accepted it in large part, very quickly.

It has been issued in 104 counrties in the first 5 months.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

Don't doubt it. It is a VISA. Thousands of ePassporte cardholders are buying online and at shoppes, everywhere.

I'm not trying to be hostile or anything like that. I'm very glad your company is developing alternatives. I'm just looking at it from the perspective of the average consumer.

I don't know of many consumer accounts where they have to pay $5 every time they make a deposit.

All I'm saying is that Joe Blow will probably think twice before he does that --- since he more than likely hasn't had to pay such fees up front in the past.

And he might get pissed off even more if there are additional transfer fees on top of that (assuming I'm reading your fee information correctly.)

I'm assuming it's great for the webmaster and minimizes chargebacks. It just might be difficult to generate much surfer interest though.

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 08:10 AM

Hi Chris,

Wires arent free because my bank charges for them and secondly to get the money out of the ATM I am assuming you have to buy a $35 card to do that. Please correct me if I am wrong. Its a good idea but the consumer is not going to pay to add money to a account by cc and the consumer is all I care about. I want to talk to someone about setting up Epoch possibly as my secondary processor can you refer me to someone on your staff. Who really knows our business, I dont want to hear I dont know. My email is [email protected] I wish you all the best with epassporte.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
Hi Chris,

Wires arent free because my bank charges for them and secondly to get the money out of the ATM I am assuming you have to buy a $35 card to do that. Please correct me if I am wrong. Its a good idea but the consumer is not going to pay to add money to a account by cc and the consumer is all I care about.

Perhaps Chris can answer this question:

Is it possible to pay money into the epassporte account directly from your own bank account --- much like people pay bills online --- without wire transfer fees?

If so, that would be great. Although I guess you would have to get consumers comfortable with doing that instead of using credit cards.

I pay a lot of bills online now, and know a lot of other people who do as well. But it's mostly for non-adult transactions.

Rand · 05-12-2003, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
Hi Chris,

I want to talk to someone about setting up Epoch possibly as my secondary processor can you refer me to someone on your staff. Who really knows our business, I dont want to hear I dont know. My email is [email protected] I wish you all the best with epassporte.

Tony,

I'm going to forward your email to Jeff Southworth, Director of Sales at Epoch.

--Rand

Kimmykim · 05-12-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nevermind

Is it possible to pay money into the epassporte account directly from your own bank account --- much like people pay bills online --- without wire transfer fees?

What you are describing here is an ACH type of system, which only works in certain countries, and also has to be done on a country by country basis, since every country has different banking regulations, different rules for this, and in our particular case, Visa still has to approve of basically anything we add or subtract from the system.

Its not the fastest of processes, but I think you'll see US ACH relatively quickly, and we are working on the rest in a prioritized manner.

nevermind · 05-12-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
I think you'll see US ACH relatively quickly, and we are working on the rest in a prioritized manner.

Thanks for yours and Chris' responses Kimmy. I really appreciate it.

If you could get ACH set up even just for the U.S., I bet this epassporte thing could really take off with Joe Blow surfer.

TheMob · 05-12-2003, 11:00 AM

I have a probably very silly question.
Can I use my virtual visa just like a regular visa on every website out there? Could I for instance charge my PayPal account using my virtual card?

Thanks

Chris Mallick · 05-12-2003, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
Hi Chris,

Wires arent free because my bank charges for them and secondly to get the money out of the ATM I am assuming you have to buy a $35 card to do that. Please correct me if I am wrong. Its a good idea but the consumer is not going to pay to add money to a account by cc and the consumer is all I care about. I want to talk to someone about setting up Epoch possibly as my secondary processor can you refer me to someone on your staff. Who really knows our business, I dont want to hear I dont know. My email is [email protected] I wish you all the best with epassporte.

just saw this. you will get an email from [email protected] tomorrow.

C

tony286 · 05-12-2003, 09:02 PM

She contacted me thanks Chris

Kimmykim · 05-12-2003, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheMob?
I have a probably very silly question.
Can I use my virtual visa just like a regular visa on every website out there? Could I for instance charge my PayPal account using my virtual card?

Thanks

If they are compliant then yes you can. Visa makes the rules of compliancy btw --

iroc409 · 05-12-2003, 10:20 PM

i didn't see everything, but can you load the card with cash via ATM with the electron card? and if so, is there still the $5 fee for loading it, or just ATM fees?

the $5 fee for putting cash in you account is kinda like sprint charging me $5 to pay my pcs bill. it's annoying.

05-06-2003, 05:20 PM	#1
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05-06-2003, 05:27 PM	#2
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05-07-2003, 02:36 AM	#7
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05-07-2003, 12:24 AM	#3
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Nice to see such a forward thinking company taking care of their webmasters yet again. And yes, ARS is always the one doing it.

05-07-2003, 12:26 AM	#4
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	awesome, I love ePassporte

05-07-2003, 12:49 AM	#6
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	This is not great news...

05-07-2003, 07:02 AM	#10
Mr.Soze Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 627	I already have two epassporte accounts, do I need to make a new one for ARS? After what I could see it looked like I had to?

05-07-2003, 07:49 AM	#12
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05-07-2003, 08:58 AM	#14
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah .. and that VISA ELECTRON for ATMs .. i guess i'll be soon using epassporte

05-09-2003, 08:23 PM	#16
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Since Epassporte is a offshore company, dont webmasters have to worry about losing their US Visa processing like with the other foreign processors? I mean if I added say globil as my secondary I could lose my US Visa account with my primary. How is epassporte diffferent? And Do you guarantee what you say on that question in writing?

05-11-2003, 04:26 PM	#17
nevermind Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 276	This may be a dumb question, but I've read several epassporte threads and couldn't easily find an answer ... If I wanted to set up a small site to test some DRM pay-per-view videos with epassporte ... Would the $750 Visa fee (and any other credit card fees) apply if I was only using epassporte? Last edited by nevermind; 05-11-2003 at 04:32 PM..

05-11-2003, 04:39 PM	#18
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	No, it would not apply -- I don't know for sure who you are working with on DRM, but we should be able to integrate with them fairly easily, depending on who it is. http://empiredrm.com I believe is the url of one company that we should be able to integrate quickly, if you're dealing with someone else, have them drop me an email -- [email protected] so I can discuss with them how we can make it work ))

05-11-2003, 04:44 PM	#19
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05-11-2003, 07:46 PM	#20
Jaceem Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DC Posts: 90	Why the fuck are all you fools using epassporte? It doesn't take an economics major to see that it is not a sound system. Look at these fees https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/Fees.jsp Remember ladies, a fool and his money are soon parted.

05-12-2003, 06:26 AM	#23
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	That makes me crazy when they present something like its only .25 per transaction. Oh you want to take your money out its $5 per $100, want to put money in its $5 per 100. Want a way to take it out its $35 and then if you use a atm its another $2. First off I dont think customers are going to embrace something that costs them money to add money to their account. The sad truth is there is no replacement for Paypal it was a good thing while it lasted, it was mainstream a US company, that customers knew and trusted. Last edited by tony299; 05-12-2003 at 06:29 AM..

05-12-2003, 06:30 AM	#25
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	How is it cheaper its not? I never had a problem with paypal. You have to think like the customer paypal didnt cost anything to put money into, epassprte does. If a customer wants to join my site or buy a dvd and he puts $30 in it costs him $5 for him to do that .The cost is almost 15%, you have to think like the customer thats the person I care about if this is used or not. Last edited by tony299; 05-12-2003 at 06:34 AM..

05-12-2003, 06:35 AM	#28
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	It only costs you money when you make a transaction. Epassporte costs more.

05-12-2003, 07:06 AM	#31
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think maybe one of the reasons I never had a problem with Paypal. The minute the account had $150 in it we transfered it to our bank.Having thousands sitting there was crazy, they were not a bank lol.

05-12-2003, 07:30 AM	#33
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I agree with you, I am probably going to add a second processor to take up the slack and I am calling paydirect today I will report back to the board what they said

05-12-2003, 08:10 AM	#37
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Hi Chris, Wires arent free because my bank charges for them and secondly to get the money out of the ATM I am assuming you have to buy a $35 card to do that. Please correct me if I am wrong. Its a good idea but the consumer is not going to pay to add money to a account by cc and the consumer is all I care about. I want to talk to someone about setting up Epoch possibly as my secondary processor can you refer me to someone on your staff. Who really knows our business, I dont want to hear I dont know. My email is [email protected] I wish you all the best with epassporte.

05-12-2003, 11:00 AM	#42
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	I have a probably very silly question. Can I use my virtual visa just like a regular visa on every website out there? Could I for instance charge my PayPal account using my virtual card? Thanks

05-12-2003, 09:02 PM	#44
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	She contacted me thanks Chris

05-12-2003, 10:20 PM	#46
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